Seeking Arrangements

[Ailton]

The data isn't that extensive yet as I was focussing on one particular country that I will be travelling next year. I am looking forward to contributions, specifically I would be personally interested to find out about Istanbul, St Petersburg and Italy. All data points are appropriately referenced with links within this forum which should capacitate one to get into touch with the respective member that has experience with the destination of interest. Please advise if you find any misrepresentations.

EUROPE

Austria

Vienna 300 EUR for the Night.

Czech Republic

Prague 300 - 350 EUR 200 EUR for the night 150 - 300 EUR.

Germany

Berlin 300 - 350 EUR 500 EUR for the night.

Netherlands

Amsterdam 200 EUR for a couple of hours. 300 for a whole night.

Poland

Warsaw 300 - 350 EUR.

Portugal

Lisbon 150 - 200 EUR for a couple of hours to a whole night, depending on girl(targeting only top 20% of the girls, no 25+ or fat girls) 100 - 200 EUR.

Spain

Barcelona Full weekend: 300 EUR. Generally 200 - 500 EUR for a weekend. .

Ukraine

Kiev 250 USD, disputed, several data points lower than that 140 - 180 USD (4000-5000 UAH).

United Kingdom

London 300 - 350 EUR 350 Sterling.

North America

United States

Atlanta 200 - 350 USD for a solid 6 to 8.

Austin 400 - 500 USD.

Boston 300 - 350 USD.

Chicago Under 300 USD is doable.

Denver 200 USD.

Detroit 300 USD.

Houston 400 - 500 USD.

Jacksonville (FL) 150 - 200 USD for a 6/7. 200 - 250 USD for a 7/8 college aged. 400 USD solid 9.

Las Vegas 400 USD.

LOS Angeles 200 USD second tier. 300 first tier. 300 USD.

Miami 300 USD.

Milwaukee Under 300 USD is doable.

Nashville 200 USD second tier. 300 first tier..

New York City 500 USD 400 USD second tier, 500 USD first tier.

Portland 300 USD.

San Antonio 300 - 350 USD.

San Francisco 500 USD 500 USD 300 USD for exchange student.

Savannah (GA) 150 - 200 USD for a 6/7. 200 - 250 USD for a 7/8 college aged. 400 USD solid 9.

Canada

Montreal 300 CAD.

Mexico

Mexico City 1500 - 3000 MXN, possibly 4000 MXN for high-end..

SOUTH AMERICA

Brazil

Sao Paulo 800 Rs for model quality.

Colombia

Medellin 7-8 girl 100 USD todo la noche, 8.5 - 9 girl 100 - 200 USD all day 100 USD.

Peru

Cusco 100 USD for whole weekend.

ASIA

United Arab Emirates

Dubai Depending on Tier: 400 - 800 USD.

OCEANIA

Australia

Sydney 400 - 500 AUD.

[Member #4703]

I can understand from the context, but what does WG hot mean exactly?

I also presume you meet the hot ones for coffee first before unveiling your desire for carnal pleasure because these "hot" girls are getting chatted up for sex on-line quite regularly. This would be a way to establish some connection first.

WG hot means girls with professional suggestive photoshoots, anyone with photos of luxury bags, luxury cars etc in their profile, or anything else that shows she just wants to earn as much money as she can as fast as possible. I don't touch them with a 10 foot pole. I find profiles having normal non-professional photos, at normal places and which do not mention things like "I like luxury things and want my sugar daddy to support me in blah blah blah". Probably if I had more time, I would have given some of them the benefit of doubt, but I always try to maximise the use of my limited time and opportunities to meet girls with whom I have the best chance of reaching the conclusion, even if they are not the hottest.

I am normally open to having just a coffee with girls that look nice (not necessarily hot) and with whom I find a nice click. Mostly, these are girls below 25 who work in the hospitality sector or are students. The ones that are open to intimacy on the first date are mostly in the age range 27-33, although I have had sex with a 22 year old on the first date.

Maybe the reason a direct approach works in my country is because people are very direct here, almost to the fault of being rude. I can understand the advise of being political and not mentioning sex in the first conversation in other countries like the US, but here nobody that I have to talked to has ever been offended when I mentioned the possibility of being intimate in the future when we were having our first coffee / drink. The normal answer to that in 90% of the cases is: If there is a click, we can go forward.

Different rules work for different places, I guess.

All that said, I absolutely love the chase and the gradual breaking down of the barriers of a girl who is on the fence. It is an ego booster for sure and I love to hone my game. When I got SA membership the first time, I almost did not work at all in the week I had SA and spent more than 8 hours everyday chatting up girls and trying to build a rolodex haha. Its a pity that I do not have the opportunity to take most of my conversation offline.

[Ailton]

Europe

Czech Republic Test 1.

[WyattEarp]

Basically, I take the conversation forward in one of two ways: If the girl is hot (normal hot, not WG hot), I try not to have the financial discussion upfront but do meet for a coffee.........

I can understand from the context, but what does WG hot mean exactly?

I also presume you meet the hot ones for coffee first before unveiling your desire for carnal pleasure because these "hot" girls are getting chatted up for sex on-line quite regularly. This would be a way to establish some connection first.

[Steve 9696]

I have compiled a table with typical allowances for a standard food / drinks+more arrangement for various places around the globe based on the data available in this thread and in country specific threads. Originally did that for my personal use for the coming months, but I thought it could be sensible to share in order to exchange data points and thus avoid overpaying and keep cost low in the long run.

Before I post, I wondered whether you guys are even interested in that?

In general I think when in doubt post. I mean, people can easily skip posts and some might be interested. In this particular case I think there would be a lot of interested folks. Post away!

[Akibono]

I have compiled a table with typical allowances for a standard food / drinks+more arrangement for various places around the globe based on the data available in this thread and in country specific threads. Originally did that for my personal use for the coming months, but I thought it could be sensible to share in order to exchange data points and thus avoid overpaying and keep cost low in the long run.

Before I post, I wondered whether you guys are even interested in that?

Sure. All information is good. If you can indicate which points are estimates and guesses, the would also be good. But the usually caveat remains. There are only trends. Each girl is different.

[Pessimist]

I have compiled a table with typical allowances for a standard food / drinks+more arrangement for various places around the globe based on the data available in this thread and in country specific threads. Originally did that for my personal use for the coming months, but I thought it could be sensible to share in order to exchange data points and thus avoid overpaying and keep cost low in the long run.

Before I post, I wondered whether you guys are even interested in that?

Would be interesting but numbers w / o context lose their meaning. I mean, even in the same city, I might pay x for a 20 year old pretty blonde, why for 25 year old curvy Latina, and z for <pick some other woman type . And those might change if I am seeing them just once, part of a regular arrangement, etc and some other dude may end up paying something else to the same ladies.

That said, the table would definitely lead to some interesting discussions and that alone is worth seeing the table.

Hope you enjoyed compiling it.

[Ailton]

I have compiled a table with typical allowances for a standard food / drinks+more arrangement for various places around the globe based on the data available in this thread and in country specific threads. Originally did that for my personal use for the coming months, but I thought it could be sensible to share in order to exchange data points and thus avoid overpaying and keep cost low in the long run.

Before I post, I wondered whether you guys are even interested in that?

[Pessimist]

Yes, this is exactly what I mean. It is not easy to jump in the sack right away. In the beginning, we have to delicately let a non-pro SA gal know that we will help them out financially, but we do not think of them as pros. It takes time to give her both assurances. Both are important to many non-pro SA gals. For me, it has worked out eventually ONLY when the gal genuinely likes me and is attracted to me. If she doesn't, then it doesn't work out for me despite my best efforts at giving her both assurances. For example, I have given money to girls to show them that I respect their time or to help them out with a bill or payment, but if we don't have sex by the 3rd date at the latest, then I know she's not really attracted to me and is only in it for the money, so I bail.

To make it seem non-transactional, this means we have to give them money when there is no sex. If you only give them money when you have sex, this does not separate money from sex that well, at least not in her mind. I still say it is tricky. Not easy to do. For example, how many of us have had sex with an SB and did not give her money on that day? It probably almost never happens. It only happens after a long process. It took me weeks and active effort to establish it with one SB, and it took me months to establish it with another SB, where we can now meet for sex and I don't pay them a dime, because they know I will help them out when they need it later because they now think we are in some sort of real relationship.

It depends on where you met the girl, right?

As I recall, you are meeting a lot of girls in Beijing but not through SA. Did I get that right?

In that case, their expectations are quite different.

I meet mostly through SA. Such girls have a different expectation. With the SA girls, it is definitely a transaction to a large extent but the trick is not to articulate the transaction in so many words. So, when I first meet the girl for a coffee / drink / dinner whatever that is, I pay for her share as on any date we would but do not give any cash. Some girls (or many) ask upfront if I give them any cash allowance for first meet and I say no, I do not give any allowance for meet and greets as she also benefits from them as much as I do. If they insist, I just ignore them. Some of them come back and say "OK, I will meet for a lunch w / o upfront allowance", and some just block me and move on. Either is fine.

But if the meet and greet goes well and ends up in sex, I do give her the allowance obviously. And the girl knows when she will get allowance and when she won't. No need to enunciate any of this in any words. They are smart, can put two and two together.

But I know it is a different process with girls you meet through non-SA channels, as you do. I did use Tinder a while ago and met a few and for a couple of them gave some gifts as in a traditional sugar babe arrangement but they turned out to be girls with some experience with sugar arrangements. I kinda got worried my identity would blow up on Tinder and left that app since then. SA feels much safer, I will not run into girls I know (and if I do, I can filter them out of course).

[Oneminuteboy]

Just because work is slow right now, thought I am going to share some of my SA experiences in my home country.

So I live in a northern European country where the girls are not considered the most beautiful, but still some lookers of course. I have had encounters with I think 7 or 8 girls over the last few months, have had sex with some, not with some, but overall has been a very interesting experience. SA girls are quite flaky and its a bit difficult to match schedules, arrange hotels and stuff when you are mongering in your own city. Thats why I have missed on meeting quite a few interesting ones, but the haul has not been bad by any measure. Here goes:

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If you guys are interested in reading more, just let me know and I will try to share my experiences with some other girls.

I'm interested in hearing more. To compare it with my own.

My experience, aside from 1, is that the subject of sex in the same sentence as money is very taboo in my country.
While the subject of money / compensation is no problem, the mention of sex gets response "we'll see how things go".

The 1 good one I met I've seen a couple of times now. We've now gotten to the point that she doesn't expect her PPM fee every time we meet.
Because she trusts me and enjoys the time together. And knows I pay for every thing while we spend time together.
While I still look for a 2nd regular one, she has raised the bar of what I'm willing to accept for a SB. Which only makes things more difficult in my country.



When I look at SB's from Lisbon / Portugal, they are open about the sex part. And mostly easy going.
And the impression I got was that they were looking for a fun time. And didn't quote insane prices.
I had to postpone my trip there due to circumstances but am definitely re-planning due to the small rolodex I built up.

[Steve 9696]

If it were me, I would do another date like this. Then, on the third date, if you guys are still doing DFK, then ask if you can go to a hotel. If she says no, then bail on her after the date. I have a 3 date rule when it comes to real dating (that is, sex has to happen by the 3rd date, otherwise, she is stringing you along), so why wouldn't I apply the same rule for SA dating?

For normal dating, what is your "X" date rule?

Thanks sound advice. In the meantime we were chatting tonight and she asked how my day was. I gave her a full account and she said the only thing missing was someone to cuddle. Door open! We chatted some more and I think I charmed her pants off LOL because we are on for later this week with strongly implied hotel time. Cross your fingers.

[Midwestern]

So now the question for you fellows. What's the next step? Another date and try for a hotel close? Talk a bit about what she sees as next steps? Start hinting private time is next? Anyone broken in a nervous first timer? Thoughts?

If it were me, I would do another date like this. Then, on the third date, if you guys are still doing DFK, then ask if you can go to a hotel. If she says no, then bail on her after the date. I have a 3 date rule when it comes to real dating (that is, sex has to happen by the 3rd date, otherwise, she is stringing you along), so why wouldn't I apply the same rule for SA dating?

For normal dating, what is your "X" date rule?

[DramaFree11]

Yes, this is exactly what I mean. It is not easy to jump in the sack right away. In the beginning, we have to delicately let a non-pro SA gal know that we will help them out financially, but we do not think of them as pros. It takes time to give her both assurances. Both are important to many non-pro SA gals. For me, it has worked out eventually ONLY when the gal genuinely likes me and is attracted to me. If she doesn't, then it doesn't work out for me despite my best efforts at giving her both assurances. For example, I have given money to girls to show them that I respect their time or to help them out with a bill or payment, but if we don't have sex by the 3rd date at the latest, then I know she's not really attracted to me and is only in it for the money, so I bail.

To make it seem non-transactional, this means we have to give them money when there is no sex. If you only give them money when you have sex, this does not separate money from sex that well, at least not in her mind. I still say it is tricky. Not easy to do. For example, how many of us have had sex with an SB and did not give her money on that day? It probably almost never happens. It only happens after a long process. It took me weeks and active effort to establish it with one SB, and it took me months to establish it with another SB, where we can now meet for sex and I don't pay them a dime, because they know I will help them out when they need it later because they now think we are in some sort of real relationship.

Question, I have found the girls that want gifts instead of money seem much more High Maintenance, what do you guys think? This last couple of reports real have me thinking, but I am not sure I am interested if there is not sex in Mexico. The girls that just wanted gifts, real were not looking for sex, in my opinion.

As far as gift they are special to me and I want them to be more meaningful if that makes sense, so I would rather give money.

[Midwestern]

If you are impatient and want to jump in the sack in 2 days, well ain't going to happen, not the way I do it. But that is why it is important to build a rolodex over time. Once you have had sex w / a girl, you don't have to do that dance all over again. From then on, it becomes totally normal, no discussion required whatsoever.

Yes, this is exactly what I mean. It is not easy to jump in the sack right away. In the beginning, we have to delicately let a non-pro SA gal know that we will help them out financially, but we do not think of them as pros. It takes time to give her both assurances. Both are important to many non-pro SA gals. For me, it has worked out eventually ONLY when the gal genuinely likes me and is attracted to me. If she doesn't, then it doesn't work out for me despite my best efforts at giving her both assurances. For example, I have given money to girls to show them that I respect their time or to help them out with a bill or payment, but if we don't have sex by the 3rd date at the latest, then I know she's not really attracted to me and is only in it for the money, so I bail.

To make it seem non-transactional, this means we have to give them money when there is no sex. If you only give them money when you have sex, this does not separate money from sex that well, at least not in her mind. I still say it is tricky. Not easy to do. For example, how many of us have had sex with an SB and did not give her money on that day? It probably almost never happens. It only happens after a long process. It took me weeks and active effort to establish it with one SB, and it took me months to establish it with another SB, where we can now meet for sex and I don't pay them a dime, because they know I will help them out when they need it later because they now think we are in some sort of real relationship.

[Steve 9696]

So still coming off the high of Alexa. Definitely one of my best life experiences. And she's so girlfriendy we chat nearly daily. It's almost like a real relationship.

Meanwhile Layla is kinda ghosting me after I ghosted her while with Alexa. It occurred to me that I've advanced her about $900 more than the sex we've had. So I realized she's not wanting to deal with the $900. Pondering this. Going to be important soon.

Recently also had a date with a stripper (Noelle) and met another on SA and realized the local club might be a place to find a hookup. So I've stopped in a few times. Still holding out a little hope but so far the strippers are proving lame:

1. Isabella is hot and fun. I get her number. Convinces me to do a private dance with her friend. It is of course lame and expensive as almost all US strip clubs are. Nonetheless we text back and forth and agree on a date. Set the time and place and everything. Then day of date she ghosts me.

2. Next day I find Aimee and she is totally new. A good thing. Get her number and try to generate some interest but seems pretty cool. May see her at the club again and see. She seems sweet and impressionable.

3. Arianna. From SA refuses to meet outside the club. Clearly just out to get a champagne room rip-off. Boo.

4. Noelle. This is the girl I had a great date with. She's on stage when I arrive. She says she thought I'the be mad at her but I say let's talk it out. First she contends I came on too strong (uh actually real girls are much more DTF than u) but then admits she will only do "fun time" but no sex. Wants $$ to be arm candy. Uh no. Time waster!

So really the stripper angle has been a bust. But hey window shopping is fun so I may keep it up.

So as I am nursing my wounds at the club after the Noelle fiasco I text Layla and say just tell me ur ok and she says shes been stressing about money and car repairs and all. So now, knowing my options are limited, I know what I have to do if I wanna get back in the game and say you can keep the $900 and if u ever wanna hook up hit me up and what do U know? She says what are u doing right now? Hahaha that was easy.

I tell her Ive only got a half hour but ten minutes later we go do a BJ in the car and I give her a small amount. It’s naughty and quick after blue balls and b*tches in the club and we are both happy. Then we meet up the next day and do 2 hours of nonstop sex for the usual allowance. So we are back on — pretty much sex in call. ($900 is not a huge amount of money to me and really shes been charging me $100-150 under market since August. And now I have sex on call again. Totally worth it.)

In other developments I've found a girl on the other end of the spectrum. Recent breakup. Never done SA. Manage to get her out on a date by swearing we will not do anything more than kiss (which both put her at ease and put kissing on the menu!) and it went super well. It was a little awkward because she's nervous. But after a bunch of drinks we go for a walk. I stop her and go for a kiss and after two soft close lips kisses the tongues come out and it's full on mackin. We walk back to my car and make out again. Wow. Really good. She's a great and passionate kisser. Felt like if we didn't have the pact it was on.

So now the question for you fellows. What's the next step? Another date and try for a hotel close? Talk a bit about what she sees as next steps? Start hinting private time is next? Anyone broken in a nervous first timer? Thoughts?