Seeking Arrangements

[Akibono]

I have very clearly written the race / age / other specs of the girls I seek on SA. No need to repeat I think.

What people assume about the preferences of other guys is their problem. What I find funny around here is that some people do a few sessions in a few cities and assume them are the prices everywhere and for every girl, and in every circumstance. It is a big world, there are millions of members on SA and other sugar dating sites. To assume all arrangements have the same pricing parameters is as dumb as assuming all dinners all over the world cost the same, all clothes, all (whatever good / service) cost the same. One would hope that guys who have been smart enough to accumulate some money to afford these arrangements have more sense than making such absurd assumptions.

We are talking about a service between two specific individuals. Nothing about them is standard. The guy's and girl's looks, behavior, other personal attributes, where they live, what they need and can afford, girl's urgency for money, what they do in the time spent together, etc etc. To assume there is one standard pricing for any of this, or even that the price cannot change with good discussion and negotiation is just foolish in my view.

My sample size is small since covid has restricted my activities. That is why the more reports here the better. Data eventually reveals a pattern if you know how to evaluate it. I think the problem is between pros and non-pros. In general, pros know the regional price since they see many people and have to be in demand to earn a certain amount. Not much different that brothels and escorts. The non-pro may be clueless, be misled by articles and friends. They may be greedy or just not that willing to go with a stranger. Plus, looks and approach are going to be factors. Thanks to all who are patient and shared details. This link has been a great help. There are just too many duds. Losers, druggies, desperate moms, pic / video sellers. The others have tons of guys chasing them and it is tough to stand out. But this is a game of numbers. That is my observation of limited cities in the US. It seems other countries are much better. EU has fewer losers and druggies. Plus, they are more sex positive and going with an older man is not as much of an issue.

[Akibono]

I got the keys to my love shack yesterday. I went to the department store to buy beddings, toiletries, etc. As I was setting up my new apartment, I was thinking to myself that this is perhaps one of the craziest and most outlandish things that I have ever done in my life.

Going to use the love shack to meet my two arrangements on a regular basis.

One horrifying discovery, however, is that there is a security guard and also a front desk with workers in my building. It was the first time I realized that so many people worked in the small lobby of this building. And another horrifying discovery is that I cannot buzz people into my building. This is actually the more horrifying discovery. Every decent apartment that I know of in Shanghai has the ability to buzz people into the building. But in my new apartment, I have to fucking go downstairs to let people in. So, it won't take long for the security guards and front desk workers to know that I am only using the apartment to shag women. On the one hand, I am thinking that I should not give a shit what these people think, but on the other hand, I just do not like people knowing my business. And who knows, maybe they report me to the authorities. Maybe I'm fucked.

You are just thinking too linearly. Just like everything in life, you have to have a plausible story. As for guards and front desk, get to know them. Say a few words and give them small gifts to get them to like you. For example, get them to do you a small favor (I. E. Letting in the girl) and give them a gift as appreciation. That makes it hard for them to rat you out. Is it possible to get a key for the girl? One other trick is to tell them a "friend" is coming to pick up something you forgot that you need for work. Girls can also be disguised as delivery service. The possibilities are endless. Never look guilty.

[NeilGeorge]

Biggest problem with these SA girls are getting them to show up for initial dates. Probably 1 in 4 will show up and meet you at a restaurant for a meal, although you make the date. I tell them to text me when they are on the way, or confirm the next day. Very few follow thru.

Second biggest problem are the scam artists that try to get money up front for no pussy. Baby sitters, meet up fees, sob stories. You wade thru 100 profiles and send them messages and get 7 to respond with their phone number. When you try to call them they do not answer. If you meet 1 of 100 that is par for the course.

[Midwestern]

I got the keys to my love shack yesterday. I went to the department store to buy beddings, toiletries, etc. As I was setting up my new apartment, I was thinking to myself that this is perhaps one of the craziest and most outlandish things that I have ever done in my life.

Going to use the love shack to meet my two arrangements on a regular basis.

One horrifying discovery, however, is that there is a security guard and also a front desk with workers in my building. It was the first time I realized that so many people worked in the small lobby of this building. And another horrifying discovery is that I cannot buzz people into my building. This is actually the more horrifying discovery. Every decent apartment that I know of in Shanghai has the ability to buzz people into the building. But in my new apartment, I have to fucking go downstairs to let people in. So, it won't take long for the security guards and front desk workers to know that I am only using the apartment to shag women. On the one hand, I am thinking that I should not give a shit what these people think, but on the other hand, I just do not like people knowing my business. And who knows, maybe they report me to the authorities. Maybe I'm fucked.

[Midwestern]

I respectfully disagree that 4 days (in the case of Denver, etc) isn't sufficient. I have used Seeking in places where I have spent a month, weeks, and just a few days. Concerning SBs and SA, there is nothing I learned in week 4 of my stay that I didn't' already know in day 3. Of course you will know the city better, but IMHO, you don't need much time to properly judge the SB environment in a city, mainly because the girls will be different, but will usually fit within a certain range. Trading messages and chatting with tons of SBs on SA will paint a decent picture of what to expect in terms of expenditure, availability, etc. Going out and where to go. That's an experience thing that comes along with increased familiarity with a city.

Yeah, I pretty much agree with you. But this is only after one has become pretty experienced on SA. I started using SA in SF. Took me a while (maybe 3 months) to learn how to get the most out of it, and I was on SA a lot (like 10 hours a week). Then I tried it when I was in Vegas for work. I had to learn some new things, and not just different pricing, but also their different expectations, etc. It took me a month before I finally figured out how to get the most out of the Vegas SA scene. Then I tried it in Portland, and again, same thing, I had to learn some new things, but this time it only took me less than a couple of weeks to figure out the Portland SA scene. And so I was getting faster and better at learning new SA scenes. Eventually, whenever I got another new city, it only took me a few days to get up to speed. So, it got to the point where if I was in a new city, then just like you said, I didn't learn anything new in week 3 that I didn't already know on day 3. However, one caveat is that these were all USA cities. I am sure it will take longer to get up to speed on SA if I were traveling and using it outside of the USA.

[Midwestern]

So I have two SBs that were technically fails never met up and had sex but are really satisfying.

So two fails = Two successes. I'm really thankful SA connects humans who wouldn't connect IRL. It's pretty cool. Of course sex is even better. LOL.

Yeah, I made a friend on SA that I never ended up having sex with. I was in a small USA city for a couple of months, and tried the local SA scene. Found an incredibly hot half black girl who was a graduate student. She wanted to chat a bit before meetup, so we chatted and texted a bit. And it was fun chatting and texting with her. Then I found out what field she was studying in and it directly overlaps with my field, and given that we were in a small city, I got cold feet, so we didn't meet. She eventually starts to like me, from our chats and texts, and wants to meetup badly. I told her that I was a journalist, writing a story about SA, so I was not really interested in being an SD. So, we continued chatting and texting. This lasted for maybe a couple of years.

During the course of our chats and texts, she would sometimes mention how large her tits were, even though she was slim (she was some kind of college athlete as an undergrad), and that just drove me crazy. LOL. Oh well.

[Steve 9696]

So I have two SBs that were technically fails never met up and had sex but are really satisfying.

The first one I met very early in my journey. We never met up and in fact I think I recall her saying she couldn't get down with someone my age. Ouch! But we became penpal friends. We've petered out now mostly but we used to chat about boyfriends and SBs, how she orgasms best and so much more (never used a vibrator. Wtf?). I helped her with her resume. I helped her with her med school essay. It's just been a nice friendly friendship between this old dude and a hot young chick in need of guidance. Have enjoyed it.

The second one is even more interesting. Found out early she just wanted to cam not meetup. In fact she was a lesbian or so she thought. So we got to chatting nightly. She would tell me about the guy she walks on no sex. For $200. Well one night she ended up (unrelated to SA) with a guy she really crushed on back in HS and they ended up trying to have sex. They did mish and she said it hurt and they had to stop. She remained more convinced she is a lesbian. I explained to her she needed to start on top and control insertion and it would get easier. Long story short it worked and they got it on repeatedly. Eventually they broke up but she knew she was bi not a lesbian. She got a new boyfriend and they've been living together for months. She's soooo happy. We almost never talk anymore now that she has her man. But I get true happiness knowing I set her on a different path.

So two fails = Two successes. I'm really thankful SA connects humans who wouldn't connect IRL. It's pretty cool. Of course sex is even better. LOL.

[LshRoomer]

I have very clearly written the race / age / other specs of the girls I seek on SA. No need to repeat I think.

What people assume about the preferences of other guys is their problem. What I find funny around here is that some people do a few sessions in a few cities and assume them are the prices everywhere and for every girl, and in every circumstance. It is a big world, there are millions of members on SA and other sugar dating sites. To assume all arrangements have the same pricing parameters is as dumb as assuming all dinners all over the world cost the same, all clothes, all (whatever good / service) cost the same. One would hope that guys who have been smart enough to accumulate some money to afford these arrangements have more sense than making such absurd assumptions.

We are talking about a service between two specific individuals. Nothing about them is standard. The guy's and girl's looks, behavior, other personal attributes, where they live, what they need and can afford, girl's urgency for money, what they do in the time spent together, etc etc. To assume there is one standard pricing for any of this, or even that the price cannot change with good discussion and negotiation is just foolish in my view.

Any guy here that hasn't had long arrangements, few, or none is probably seeking general guidelines as to what certain regions may charge. You are right! There is no standard, it all depends on the girl, her situation, her desperation, her level of "proness", etc. In the end, when you explore a new city or a familiar one, the majority of prices will fall within a certain range. Can you find numbers outside of that range? Of course! I had 2 SBs that I hooked up for a long time in London. One wanted gifts and almost no money. The other wanted 300 P everytime we hung out. How the hell do you average that out for someone here asking the price in London? You can't. You have to give general guidelines, which Steve9696 put together nicely.

I've been in London for a month and sometimes weeks at a time and having those 2 SBs that you can go to really have shaped my experiences, and perception. I respectfully disagree that 4 days (in the case of Denver, etc) isn't sufficient. I have used Seeking in places where I have spent a month, weeks, and just a few days. Concerning SBs and SA, there is nothing I learned in week 4 of my stay that I didn't' already know in day 3. Of course you will know the city better, but IMHO, you don't need much time to properly judge the SB environment in a city, mainly because the girls will be different, but will usually fit within a certain range. Trading messages and chatting with tons of SBs on SA will paint a decent picture of what to expect in terms of expenditure, availability, etc. Going out and where to go. That's an experience thing that comes along with increased familiarity with a city.

It looks like you are finding nice SBs for approx 200 in EU. That hasn't been my luck so far. I've been hanging around the 300 eu mark. Just my experience.

In the end, we are all getting out, banging chicks, having experiences adn sharing here. Let's keep the info flowing (even if experiences have been contrary to each other). Stay safe.

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[Pessimist]

I signed up on SA with a buddy of mine. He loves black girls. He could always find black girls on SA for $200. I won't say where he lives except to say that he lives in a big city. But he could always score black girls on SA for $200 when he visited me in SF. The girls were usually in Oakland, which is not far from SF. Almost all of his SBs were pretty hot, tall, and slender. A lot of college students..

I have very clearly written the race / age / other specs of the girls I seek on SA. No need to repeat I think.

What people assume about the preferences of other guys is their problem. What I find funny around here is that some people do a few sessions in a few cities and assume them are the prices everywhere and for every girl, and in every circumstance. It is a big world, there are millions of members on SA and other sugar dating sites. To assume all arrangements have the same pricing parameters is as dumb as assuming all dinners all over the world cost the same, all clothes, all (whatever good / service) cost the same. One would hope that guys who have been smart enough to accumulate some money to afford these arrangements have more sense than making such absurd assumptions.

We are talking about a service between two specific individuals. Nothing about them is standard. The guy's and girl's looks, behavior, other personal attributes, where they live, what they need and can afford, girl's urgency for money, what they do in the time spent together, etc etc. To assume there is one standard pricing for any of this, or even that the price cannot change with good discussion and negotiation is just foolish in my view.

[WyattEarp]

I signed up on SA with a buddy of mine. He loves black girls. He could always find black girls on SA for $200. I won't say where he lives except to say that he lives in a big city. But he could always score black girls on SA for $200 when he visited me in SF. The girls were usually in Oakland, which is not far from SF. Almost all of his SBs were pretty hot, tall, and slender. A lot of college students.

So, when we quote prices, I think we are assuming everyone is going after non-black girls.

BTW, please don't infer anything racist about my post. I am just stating a fact based on the experience of my buddy, that's all.

I recall a guy from another forum who hooked up with mostly Black and some Latina hotties in a major USA City. He had a genuine attraction for dark complexions. (I do too for what it's worth.) he also confirmed your observation. I don't think it's racist to note that women from lower income levels will be more negotiable on SA. Pessimist noted below that the economic circumstances of the woman will affect their flexibility on price.

[Deleted by Admin]. I wish them all luck in getting what they want.

[Midwestern]

Great post, but my experience is it will not go very well if you offer less then $300, just me. Pluse time is money and my time is valuable, so the more time I spend on SA, takes a way from my business.

I signed up on SA with a buddy of mine. He loves black girls. He could always find black girls on SA for $200. I won't say where he lives except to say that he lives in a big city. But he could always score black girls on SA for $200 when he visited me in SF. The girls were usually in Oakland, which is not far from SF. Almost all of his SBs were pretty hot, tall, and slender. A lot of college students.

So, when we quote prices, I think we are assuming everyone is going after non-black girls.

BTW, please don't infer anything racist about my post. I am just stating a fact based on the experience of my buddy, that's all.

[Pessimist]

Great post, but my experience is it will not go very well if you offer less then $300, just me. Pluse time is money and my time is valuable, so the more time I spend on SA, takes a way from my business.

How much you value your time is of course personal. I enjoy this process, so yes while I spend a lot of time (sneaking away to the toilet at work and quickly shooting a few messages, stuck at the traffic light during commute and send a few back and forths.).

As for price, it is very clearly a location dependent issue, which I must have said in every single post I made in this particular thread. 300 might do it for you but might not in SF. I was in that city earlier this year and one girl said "250? I take that much for 2 hours of dinner, plus I need an upfront gift".

Look, the rent for a one bdrm in Bay Area could run 2 grand, may be 1500 in OK parts of NJ or Queens to commute to NYC, and in Kansas City could get away with less than a thou. It is not sensible to expect sugarbabe price will be the same everywhere. My rule of thumb is 4 meets a month should equate to a month rent on a one bdrm apartment in a decent neighborhood.

Also, my own equation changes if I am on the road or in my home city. On the road, my hotel is always a business expense. And I am pressed for time, so I can go a bit more. At home, if I like the girl I may keep seeing her for many months. It is much better to set a lower base for first time. If I do 300 for first meet, I will need to keep paying that much every time. And keep in mind, with a given girl you only negotiate once. If I have 4,5 semi regular girls I am set for a while. The deal is set, price is set, no need to waste time in negotiations. If you are looking for a new face every meet, then yes you have a lot of work to do.

[DramaFree11]

Tbh, a single 4 day trip is a very short amount of time. I think it is hardly sufficient to make any conclusion about the city. And also depends on what month etc. I mean, take Boston. I have been there on work dozens of times and have had some modest success with sugar babes through SA and yet I don't feel like I have any feel for the Boston market.

In general, you will never know any city / market as you know your home city. Unless you are one of those consultant types and are on the road 5 days a week, 48 weeks a year in which case you don't really have a home city. But I do have a stable home city, and I will always know the current market conditions and how they relate to the past and what is a god price, who is cheating, and many other things in my home city than anywhere else.

W. are. T. EU, I used SA in Spain multiple times, in Munich and Hamburg in Germany and a couple of other places. As I was saying to Jack above, Lisbon appears quite nice for SA. I found a lot of pretty girls and per his initial discussions so far he is saying prices are 150 to 200 which is quite cheap (for 2 hours. As you know, these days even FKK girls are upping their price to 150 an hour, plus door entry of another 80 or 90).

One thing, I am not sure if SA is the best site in each country. BFsie (not sure if he reads this thread) is a long time sugarbabe user and he is in Germany. Not sure which site he uses to find sugar babes. Different sites may be strong in different countries. SA is an American site and is the best for American cities but it doesn't have to be the best in all countries. For me SA works because I already have subscription, and if I'm visiting another city I can quickly check out the girls list and send a few Hello messages ahead of my visit to make some deals. If they work, they work. If they don't, I haven't lost anything because anyway I am in those cities for business reasons.

Great post, but my experience is it will not go very well if you offer less then $300, just me. Pluse time is money and my time is valuable, so the more time I spend on SA, takes a way from my business.

[Pessimist]

When I tried Denver and Orlando, I was there for 4 days a piece. Denver girls were very receptive. Of the 2 that I went out with, I banged one ($200) and just made out with the other. On the day I was leaving 2 more girls that I had spoken to contacted me to hang out. One was a thin redhead that I wanted to bang so bad. She couldn't find a babysitter during my whole stay I would definitely do SA in Denver again. It was harder (than EU) to negotiate in Denver, but I was able to line up about 4 girls. Unfortunately, I just didn't have the time to see them all. Orlando, as you mentioned was a desert.

In Europe, my experiences with SBs have been in Berlin, Prague, London, and warsaw. All of these cost me about 300-350 eu. I almost got baited and switched in Berlin for 500, but I shut it down before I pulled out the cash. I've had free in London, as she only wanted stuff (shoes, bags, hang out with me at nice restaurants). I find it difficult to use SA in Prague. I get plenty of initial replies, but they don't continue the correspondence. One SA girl I banged in Prague wasn't even Czech, she was Aussie. I'm still relatively new to the Sugar scene (about 2 years less this year due to being fucked by COVID). I usually use Seeking 2 weeks before I travel and this has been working pretty well..

Tbh, a single 4 day trip is a very short amount of time. I think it is hardly sufficient to make any conclusion about the city. And also depends on what month etc. I mean, take Boston. I have been there on work dozens of times and have had some modest success with sugar babes through SA and yet I don't feel like I have any feel for the Boston market.

In general, you will never know any city / market as you know your home city. Unless you are one of those consultant types and are on the road 5 days a week, 48 weeks a year in which case you don't really have a home city. But I do have a stable home city, and I will always know the current market conditions and how they relate to the past and what is a god price, who is cheating, and many other things in my home city than anywhere else.

W. are. T. EU, I used SA in Spain multiple times, in Munich and Hamburg in Germany and a couple of other places. As I was saying to Jack above, Lisbon appears quite nice for SA. I found a lot of pretty girls and per his initial discussions so far he is saying prices are 150 to 200 which is quite cheap (for 2 hours. As you know, these days even FKK girls are upping their price to 150 an hour, plus door entry of another 80 or 90).

One thing, I am not sure if SA is the best site in each country. BFsie (not sure if he reads this thread) is a long time sugarbabe user and he is in Germany. Not sure which site he uses to find sugar babes. Different sites may be strong in different countries. SA is an American site and is the best for American cities but it doesn't have to be the best in all countries. For me SA works because I already have subscription, and if I'm visiting another city I can quickly check out the girls list and send a few Hello messages ahead of my visit to make some deals. If they work, they work. If they don't, I haven't lost anything because anyway I am in those cities for business reasons.

I can't disclose what's my home city as I am married and already saying too many things here. I will say though, we are rounding here right? For example 240 is rounded to 200 and 260 is rounded to 300. I don't negotiate in hundreds, my negotiations can even be 220,240 etc. Hey, I am a cheap bastard and it is my money. And I did have quite a few 200's sessions. Again, as I told Jack from NL above, in your home city, you can be patient and take time and negotiate. There are tons of girls, what is the hurry? I can also tell you that there is always no correlation between looks and price. Some really pretty, 22 year olds gave me super good sex for 220 or 240 and some slightly older, less pretty ones did not budge below 280 or 300. It all depends, every case is different.

In my experience, this sugar babe market is highly local. Within my city, some areas are richer and some not so. And if you drive an hour in each direction, the addressable area is obviously much larger. Within that radius, some are quite low end while in other directions the adjoining towns are well off. I find quite a bit of difference in the attitude of girls, prices they are willing to accept depending on where they live. One more thing. A 20 year old girl who is not supported by her family, has no family, living on her own, has to make rent every month, worse yet has a child, is a lot more amenable and pliable. Take another 21 year old, a junior studying business at the local university. Perhaps mom and dad pay her tuition, she has education, job prospects, swag. This one is looking for money for spending expenses, a fancy phone etc but also may not put out for sex immediately or has exaggerated sense of self worth. She indeed may be worth a lot of money to some other guy but for me, a pretty female body is a pretty body and I could not care any less if she has college education, can make a good convo etc. So, my point, you got to read the profile she wrote for herself, what she says, how she expresses, and also get a sense of her situation through text messages. A single mother of 20, or a girl living on her own and with no family support and doing a receptionist job, waitress Job, and has FWB in her seeking section and says "ready for any arrangement" well you know she will have sex, and probably not too hard in negotiation. The same "ready for anything" from a college girl might not even mean she will have sex, because in her mind "anything" means she is OK with a music concert vs outdoor fun outing, but sex may still be off limits. So, net net, this is a market in which one has to spend a lot of time and do a lot of home work and be patient. If I am prepared to spend 500 for every sex session, no patience is needed, I can pick anyone I want. But for good deals, you need to stay patient.

In general, the coastal areas are high priced in the US as can be expected. Well, Charleston is perhaps cheap, may be a Virginia Beach is cheap but I am talking about Boston, NYC, SF, Seattle, etc. Chicago is a megapolis but is clearly cheaper than Boston, but a good sight when it comes to sugarbabes. Under 300 is absolutely doable in Chicago, Milwaukee and in between. Miami is expensive but if you head to Ft Laud, there are quite a few places which are not so expensive. Not Palm Beach, but some other areas near Hollywood etc. Tampa is really good as I said. Obviously I did not try out every city, and NYC and SF were absolutely the worst. Borderline ugly MILFs were asking 800. I stopped even looking for sugarbabes when I travel to those cities. Canada is pretty nice but not enough personal data points for me in Canada.

[Pessimist]

I am only going to be there for 5 days but I coughed up for a subscription today. Put into a few hours work and fortunately have got two dates lined up with two early 20's girl who said they are ready to go intimate if the chemistry is there over drinks. Pursuing a couple more, lets see how it goes. Normal price which girls ask is 150-200 for a couple of hours or the whole night depending on the girl (targeting only top 20% of the girls, no 25+ or fat girls). It is already a better deal than doing escorts (which are 150 an hour for the doable / nice ones), so I guess the 100 euros spent on SA membership are not money down the drain.

Lisbon is a bit cheaper in this regard compared to The Netherlands, where I have had most of my SA experience. Netherlands is mostly 200 for a couple of hours, and 300 for a whole night. Depends on the girl also of course, I have had freebies once the girl and me liked each other, but normal prices are what I wrote.

Somebody was asking where to find girls for 200 per meet on SA. I think you have your best chance in the south in the big cities, Madrid, Barcelona, Lisbon. North will for sure be a bit expensive. You can pm me and I will help you for sure if I can.

My advice or tips if you will.

When time is short, and in your case given that you paid up a subscription just for these 5 days, I would build some margin for error.

The last thing you want is to head back home with only one or two sessions in 5 days in which case you will feel a bit cheated.

Try to reach out to more girls. I don't know how your past experiences have been on sugarbabe sites but my experience is that rate of success is a low percentage in most places in the world. Especially as you put it in your current discussions they only agreed to have sex "if the chemistry is right". That is hardly a promise. Heck, most girls would think in their minds they will get intimate with a guy even for free if the chemistry is right, the guy is attractive yadda yadda.

I don't know how many sex sessions you plan to have. At least 5 sessions in 5 days is a reasonable minimum amount, unless you are too old. So, I would reach out to a minimum of 20 girls who seem attractive enough. Have fun, this back and forth with girls is actually enjoyable. Actually if you send "Hi I am Jack" message to 20 girls and you have sex with 5 of them, that is 25% success rate which is actually quite good in my view. Depending on response rate, reach out to more (or less, if too many respond back).

Also, build margin for error even in meet scheduling. What do I mean by that? Say, you have two girls reasonably interested. Instead of scheduling one for dinner tonight and one tomorrow night, ask one to meet for drinks around 6 PM and tell the other dinner is possible at 8:30 PM the same night. My experience is that a new girl can always flake out. Until you are sitting across from her, assume she may not show up. So, say the 6 Pm girl does show up and you like her and quickly agree on sex and price and everything. Then discreetly send a text to the 8:30 PM girl that sorry, something came up, you can't meet tonight but you will meet her tomorrow. As long as you give her na hour notice, she is unlikely to be pissed too much.

You need to do this because your time is precious and have only 5 days. If you lived in Lisbon permanently you don't need to do this, and I admit it looks a bit shady and selfish but hey, these girls do flake out on you just as easily. You need to watch out for yourself.

I never did sugarbabes in Lisbon but I have experience in Madrid and Barcelona. I agree Lisbon sounds cheap but I am not surprised as Portugal is not a rich country. If I made the money I make in US and somehow could live in Lisbon, I would be having too much fun and sex.

Good luck.