Seeking Arrangements

[Midwestern]

Guess MW is too busy fucking to answer. LOL. He's in China but not from there. Did a bunch of US SA before his time in China.

Yep, I'm in Shanghai.

Steve was active in the Shanghai thread when he was here for a spell. In one of his posts, he brought up how SA was probably the best option in the United States. Coincidentally, I too have a passion for SA, so I moved our discussion about it to the Dating Agencies forum and out of the Shanghai forum, so that we could **all** talk about and share our SA experiences.

Steve is the originator and founder of this SA forum.

As for Shanghai, the MP scene pretty much is back to normal, but other venues are not back to normal. For example, incall and outcall action seem to be far from 100% normal for a variety of reasons, and so I am looking for arrangements now. I'm not using SA. Instead, I'm trying to find arrangements by hitting on "migrant workers. " They are girls that come to Shanghai from 2nd tier cities to find work. Minimum wage in Shanghai is double the minimum wage in their second tier cities. This is enough for them to leave home. They make about $1,000 per month in Shanghai. So, an arrangement that pays them $1,000 then gives them quadruple their home salary. A thousand bux does not cause much damage to my wallet. So, this can be a win-win for me and the SB. Seems like this would be hard, but I am finding that it is not that hard. These girls are desperate for money, and they are VERY flattered that a foreigner would be interested in them. The only awkward part is that most of them have never been in an arrangement before, so that makes this a bit challenging but also kind of interesting.

[Midwestern]

I texted her last night, and after chatting for a bit, we talk about meeting in a hotel again, but again she slightly diverts the discussion to taking a vacation together. So I said, sure, we can take a short vacation together. I was just bullshitting of course. Then, she asked if she could be my GF. LOL. We've only met twice, all we did was chat, and each time it was for about 10 minutes. I said sure. Then she asked if I could pay her rent. LOL. Okay, she's not new to this "arrangement" thing. I reply with a "surprise" emoji. Then she quickly says that her rent is not high, only $450 per month. Now that's an affordable arrangement, LOL. So then I texted, how about we meet in a hotel first, to establish chemistry. She said okay. Fingers crossed.

[Steve 9696]

Haha this was a good story.

In what country is this?

Guess MW is too busy fucking to answer. LOL. He's in China but not from there. Did a bunch of US SA before his time in China.

[Steve 9696]

This will be long and boring, and if you don't believe any or some of it, then I won't blame you, because I can barely believe it myself, even though it happened to me just now.

So, yesterday, after my previous post in this thread, I decide to go look for the homely girl, and I found her at the same place where I met her the first time. We again had a good chat, and it just felt cozy to be with her. How bizarre, I thought. So anyway, I got her WeChat.

Last night, around 10 pm, I texted her, and then we texted back and forth. Then suddenly, I shit you not, she says it's too bad we were not in a hotel room. Holy fucking cow! Is she a pro? She can't be, I thought, because she has one of those minimum wage jobs. But maybe she hooks on the side and because I'm a foreigner maybe she thinks I'm a viable client, and that's probably why she was flirty the two times we interacted. After all, she has a superb bod from what I can tell, so maybe she takes advantage of it for extra income.

Anyway, we keep texting about hooking up and all that, but eventually, I had to go to bed. So I said goodnight. I shower and then hit the sack, but before I turn off my phone, I check my messages one last time, and lo and behold, my ATF pro suddenly sent me a text. She had disappeared for several months, but now she suddenly reappeared. I don't know why she disappeared, but who cares. So, we make plans for a meetup at some point. And, I go to sleep very, very happy. Homely is potentially on the hook, and my ATF pro is back in the picture.

This morning, I'm at work, and I get a text from the receptionist that I tried to make into an SB. I hadn't heard from her in 6 weeks! A quick recap about her. She was someone that I flirted with, and then was finally able to get an invite to her home, but I just banged her like she was a pro and gave her money and left. The next day, she went on a rampage about how I'm a womanizer and all that, but long story short, I saw her one more time, and then she kept dodging me afterwards and finally I got the hint and stopped pursuing her.

Anyway, today, the receptionist texts me out of the blue, "Want to come over?" I was shocked. I replied, "Don't you have to work?" And she replied, "I lost my job. " Ahhhhh, now I get it. When she asked me to come over, she was really asking me to bring my money over. So, I said I will come now. I arrive, I shower, I then do DATY and then we bareback, and she cums, and she asks why I don't cum, but I wanted to bang her some more, but eventually, she said she was sore. So, after some cuddling, I said I have to go to work. I could tell she was annoyed that I continued to treat her like a pro. But what can I do? Anyway, I gave her the usual amount, plus extra. I told her I was giving her extra to tie her over until she finds another job.

I then return to the office, and thinking to myself that I had a nut that needed busting. So, I was thinking whether I should go to a HJ MP, BJ MP, or FS MP.

Suddenly, I shit you not, I get a message from a pro that I have not seen in two years. She must be around 21-22 years old now. Phenomenal body. Everything is so firm. She was also a fave of mine, partly because she seems to genuinely like being with me. But she moved back to her hometown a couple of years ago. But now she was back in town, and so she asks me if I want to see her and that she was available today. So, I said, I'm coming now. And 25 minutes later, I arrive, and we had a great session and my problem of the unbusted nut was solved.

I guess it's true that when it rains, it pours.

The end.

Congrats MW. I believe every word is gospel. Why would you make that shit up. And yes when it rains it pours. It's spooky really. I will be in a drought and sudddenly 3 girls are texting me. No logical explanation. Just happens. Congrats!

[Alabastern]

This will be long and boring, and if you don't believe any or some of it, then I won't blame you, because I can barely believe it myself, even though it happened to me just now.

So, yesterday, after my previous post in this thread, I decide to go look for the homely girl, and I found her at the same place where I met her the first time. We again had a good chat, and it just felt cozy to be with her. How bizarre, I thought. So anyway, I got her WeChat.

Last night, around 10 pm, I texted her, and then we texted back and forth. Then suddenly, I shit you not, she says it's too bad we were not in a hotel room. Holy fucking cow! Is she a pro? She can't be, I thought, because she has one of those minimum wage jobs. But maybe she hooks on the side and because I'm a foreigner maybe she thinks I'm a viable client, and that's probably why she was flirty the two times we interacted. After all, she has a superb bod from what I can tell, so maybe she takes advantage of it for extra income.

Anyway, we keep texting about hooking up and all that, but eventually, I had to go to bed. So I said goodnight. I shower and then hit the sack, but before I turn off my phone, I check my messages one last time, and lo and behold, my ATF pro suddenly sent me a text. She had disappeared for several months, but now she suddenly reappeared. I don't know why she disappeared, but who cares. So, we make plans for a meetup at some point. And, I go to sleep very, very happy. Homely is potentially on the hook, and my ATF pro is back in the picture.

Haha this was a good story.

In what country is this?

[Midwestern]

This will be long and boring, and if you don't believe any or some of it, then I won't blame you, because I can barely believe it myself, even though it happened to me just now.

So, yesterday, after my previous post in this thread, I decide to go look for the homely girl, and I found her at the same place where I met her the first time. We again had a good chat, and it just felt cozy to be with her. How bizarre, I thought. So anyway, I got her WeChat.

Last night, around 10 pm, I texted her, and then we texted back and forth. Then suddenly, I shit you not, she says it's too bad we were not in a hotel room. Holy fucking cow! Is she a pro? She can't be, I thought, because she has one of those minimum wage jobs. But maybe she hooks on the side and because I'm a foreigner maybe she thinks I'm a viable client, and that's probably why she was flirty the two times we interacted. After all, she has a superb bod from what I can tell, so maybe she takes advantage of it for extra income.

Anyway, we keep texting about hooking up and all that, but eventually, I had to go to bed. So I said goodnight. I shower and then hit the sack, but before I turn off my phone, I check my messages one last time, and lo and behold, my ATF pro suddenly sent me a text. She had disappeared for several months, but now she suddenly reappeared. I don't know why she disappeared, but who cares. So, we make plans for a meetup at some point. And, I go to sleep very, very happy. Homely is potentially on the hook, and my ATF pro is back in the picture.

This morning, I'm at work, and I get a text from the receptionist that I tried to make into an SB. I hadn't heard from her in 6 weeks! A quick recap about her. She was someone that I flirted with, and then was finally able to get an invite to her home, but I just banged her like she was a pro and gave her money and left. The next day, she went on a rampage about how I'm a womanizer and all that, but long story short, I saw her one more time, and then she kept dodging me afterwards and finally I got the hint and stopped pursuing her.

Anyway, today, the receptionist texts me out of the blue, "Want to come over?" I was shocked. I replied, "Don't you have to work?" And she replied, "I lost my job. " Ahhhhh, now I get it. When she asked me to come over, she was really asking me to bring my money over. So, I said I will come now. I arrive, I shower, I then do DATY and then we bareback, and she cums, and she asks why I don't cum, but I wanted to bang her some more, but eventually, she said she was sore. So, after some cuddling, I said I have to go to work. I could tell she was annoyed that I continued to treat her like a pro. But what can I do? Anyway, I gave her the usual amount, plus extra. I told her I was giving her extra to tie her over until she finds another job.

I then return to the office, and thinking to myself that I had a nut that needed busting. So, I was thinking whether I should go to a HJ MP, BJ MP, or FS MP.

Suddenly, I shit you not, I get a message from a pro that I have not seen in two years. She must be around 21-22 years old now. Phenomenal body. Everything is so firm. She was also a fave of mine, partly because she seems to genuinely like being with me. But she moved back to her hometown a couple of years ago. But now she was back in town, and so she asks me if I want to see her and that she was available today. So, I said, I'm coming now. And 25 minutes later, I arrive, and we had a great session and my problem of the unbusted nut was solved.

I guess it's true that when it rains, it pours.

The end.

[Bdb013]

Steve, you are spot on. It is an investment of time and money. Its not cheap nor quick. I can go thru many girls to find a few I really like and get excited about meeting. But when everything lines up. The Party is On.

I have seen some negative comments in here. But I think it just stems from a mismatch in their needs or what they are bringing to the table. For example if they only need sex and not affection or out-of-room chemistry then SA just seems like too much work and I would agree. To be succcessful on SA you have to bring this to the table:

1. A lot of time.

2. A lot of patience.

3. Solid text game.

4. Not treating girls like pros and objects.

5. Solid in-person game.

6. Non-objectionable looks (maybe).

If you can bring this to the party, the party is ON!

[Steve 9696]

Got to say, SA is great for finding gems like you have with Layla. I use it in the states as well as abroad. I still have girls I chat with in Mexico and Columbia that I found on SA or CC. One is a student in GDL, 21 yrs old and absolutely gorgeous. Found her on SA, met in GDL last year for a few nights. We still chat on whatsapp and talk about what's going on. I'm planning another trip back to Mexico in November. This time in Puebla. She wants to come spend a few days with me there. No mention of money or anything, just wanting to spend time together. She is such a sweet loving thing. A lot of guys on ISG have been down on SA, but I have found it to be a great tool when I am planning another trip. I don't even think about strip clubs, ect. Anymore.

I have seen some negative comments in here. But I think it just stems from a mismatch in their needs or what they are bringing to the table. For example if they only need sex and not affection or out-of-room chemistry then SA just seems like too much work and I would agree. To be succcessful on SA you have to bring this to the table:

1. A lot of time.

2. A lot of patience.

3. Solid text game.

4. Not treating girls like pros and objects.

5. Solid in-person game.

6. Non-objectionable looks (maybe).

If you can bring this to the party, the party is ON!

[DramaFree11]

Got to say, SA is great for finding gems like you have with Layla. I use it in the states as well as abroad. I still have girls I chat with in Mexico and Columbia that I found on SA or CC. One is a student in GDL, 21 yrs old and absolutely gorgeous. Found her on SA, met in GDL last year for a few nights. We still chat on whatsapp and talk about what's going on. I'm planning another trip back to Mexico in November. This time in Puebla. She wants to come spend a few days with me there. No mention of money or anything, just wanting to spend time together. She is such a sweet loving thing. A lot of guys on ISG have been down on SA, but I have found it to be a great tool when I am planning another trip. I don't even think about strip clubs, ect. Anymore.

SA works like a charm in MTY. I am just can not believe it. Yes, it works in the states, but much more time and b. S.

[Bdb013]

The word I use is AFFECTION. It's sometimes said men are pigs and some are. But I find a lot are just like me (and perhaps u) where just a bit of affection goes a long ways. I want to feel like someone cares for me and really likes me (even if it's a bit of a put on). A hug and kiss. I text that she's been missing you. These are little things but they matter to a lot of guys.

Layla and I chat a little most every night. Missing you. Netflix. Useless shit. It just feels nice having a girlfriend. The way I put it is the $$ covers the age and looks gap but other than that SA should feel like having a girlfriend, without the drama, cuz u both know its not leading to an LTR.

Oh I should be clear that Layla is (so far) the closest Ive been to a traditional LT sugar relationship. Almost all my girls have a been a night or two, with the promise of more, which Covid killed dead. And one girl I got pretty regular with but it still felt mostly like sex not affection. Dont get me wrong - it was awesome - and was my longest SB so far. Hoping Layla sets a new record.

Got to say, SA is great for finding gems like you have with Layla. I use it in the states as well as abroad. I still have girls I chat with in Mexico and Columbia that I found on SA or CC. One is a student in GDL, 21 yrs old and absolutely gorgeous. Found her on SA, met in GDL last year for a few nights. We still chat on whatsapp and talk about what's going on. I'm planning another trip back to Mexico in November. This time in Puebla. She wants to come spend a few days with me there. No mention of money or anything, just wanting to spend time together. She is such a sweet loving thing. A lot of guys on ISG have been down on SA, but I have found it to be a great tool when I am planning another trip. I don't even think about strip clubs, ect. Anymore.

[Steve 9696]

Man, I envy you. I need a GF. I had a date with a high-end pro a couple of weeks ago. 20 years old and absolutely stunning. It was like being with a model. But just treated me like another John.

A few days ago, a homely looking girl was looking at me and I started chatting her up. She was pretty giggly and sweet, and we actually had a fun convo. She made me laugh, which I haven't done much of lately. I would rather bang this homely girl than that 20 yo hottie. Maybe it's just a "grass is greener" thing and this will pass. I kind of gave up looking for an SB on my own, but maybe I should try it again with this homely girl. I know where she works. We'll see. OTOH, it feels like settling, but OTOH, I'm looking for chemistry and GFE, so maybe I'm not settling.

The word I use is AFFECTION. It's sometimes said men are pigs and some are. But I find a lot are just like me (and perhaps u) where just a bit of affection goes a long ways. I want to feel like someone cares for me and really likes me (even if it's a bit of a put on). A hug and kiss. I text that she's been missing you. These are little things but they matter to a lot of guys.

Layla and I chat a little most every night. Missing you. Netflix. Useless shit. It just feels nice having a girlfriend. The way I put it is the $$ covers the age and looks gap but other than that SA should feel like having a girlfriend, without the drama, cuz u both know its not leading to an LTR.

Oh — I should be clear that Layla is (so far) the closest I’ve been to a traditional LT sugar relationship. Almost all my girls have a been a night or two, with the promise of more, which Covid killed dead. And one girl I got pretty regular with but it still felt mostly like sex not affection. Don’t get me wrong - it was awesome - and was my longest SB so far. Hoping Layla sets a new record.

[Midwestern]

Yep. This is better. Easier when you know her better. Layla is booking from here out. Also buying and bringing my brand of condoms. Afterall, isn't that what girlfriends are supposed to do? 😋.

Man, I envy you. I need a GF. I had a date with a high-end pro a couple of weeks ago. 20 years old and absolutely stunning. It was like being with a model. But just treated me like another John.

A few days ago, a homely looking girl was looking at me and I started chatting her up. She was pretty giggly and sweet, and we actually had a fun convo. She made me laugh, which I haven't done much of lately. I would rather bang this homely girl than that 20 yo hottie. Maybe it's just a "grass is greener" thing and this will pass. I kind of gave up looking for an SB on my own, but maybe I should try it again with this homely girl. I know where she works. We'll see. OTOH, it feels like settling, but OTOH, I'm looking for chemistry and GFE, so maybe I'm not settling.

[Steve 9696]

Whenever it's possible, I ask the gal to book the hotel. The benefits are:

(1) Booking is not on my credit card.

(2) Security won't hassle the gal as she comes and goes, since she's a booked guest.

(3) As a booked guest, she seems less like a pro, so hotel (or LE) won't suspect that you are with a pro.

(4) Hides your identity from the gal in an almost fool-proof way.

(5) You don't have to worry about her wrecking the room, or stealing from the room, especially if you're letting her stay there while you are out.

(6) It's a lot easier for a guy to waltz past security than it is for the gal to sneak in.

(7) Saves me time.

This only works if (1) the gal completely trusts you (that you will reimburse her for the room) and (2) you have a legit reason for not booking the room yourself (I usually say that I don't have my ID with me for whatever reason).

I started doing this many years ago.

Yep. This is better. Easier when you know her better. Layla is booking from here out. Also buying and bringing my brand of condoms. Afterall, isn't that what girlfriends are supposed to do? 😋.

[Pessimist]

Fortunately, the girls are not too smart or experienced. I suspect a call to the front desk for a duplicate invoice would give them all the info about you delivered on a platter. As usual, great information. You saved me a ton of time and mistakes.

Some girls are smart, some are experienced, some are neither. To say "girls are not too smart or experienced" is the same as "girls are too smart and experienced". There is no way to generalize this either way (unless a guy goes out of his way to only meet the not smart / experienced girls, in which case that statement would be true).

But I don't think it is legal for the hotel to divulge the personal info on a guest to anyone who calls the front desk. At least not in the US. Has this sort of personal info leak happened to you? I know MW has said in the past his identity was leaked but if I remember correctly, he also said he made some mistake which made that happen. Also, MW uses this site in other countries too and the legality of identity disclosure by front desk to callers may be different in different countries.

All I know is that my identity has not leaked to any girl, at least not to the extent she either confronted me with such info. If any girl figured me out, she kept it to herself. And I have used the site enough, for more than 4 years now and several dozen arrangements, and hence the sample size is large enough and not due to dumb luck. But if guys here want to live with the belief that your identity is blown the minute you meet a girl, so be it.

[Midwestern]

Whenever it's possible, I ask the gal to book the hotel. The benefits are:

(1) Booking is not on my credit card.

(2) Security won't hassle the gal as she comes and goes, since she's a booked guest.

(3) As a booked guest, she seems less like a pro, so hotel (or LE) won't suspect that you are with a pro.

(4) Hides your identity from the gal in an almost fool-proof way.

(5) You don't have to worry about her wrecking the room, or stealing from the room, especially if you're letting her stay there while you are out.

(6) It's a lot easier for a guy to waltz past security than it is for the gal to sneak in.

(7) Saves me time.

This only works if (1) the gal completely trusts you (that you will reimburse her for the room) and (2) you have a legit reason for not booking the room yourself (I usually say that I don't have my ID with me for whatever reason).

I started doing this many years ago.