Seeking Arrangements

[Steve 9696]

I offer 600 in SoCal. But I've started cutting corners on hotels and restaurants. Just realized that girls appreciate the fine dining, but they don't really need it. And only the most spoiled know the names of the Michelin spots anyways. Most girls are happy with a 28 dollar plate of food and a few drinks. And a Hilton."

Yeah So Cal is a tough gig. Expensive to live there and lots of entitled pussy. I found a couple great girls that would take 5 but it was def a lot of work. In the end I figured I could fly Sue from London and over the four days it would come out less than four days of Cali girls. LOL. And of course a great life experience for her. Didn't work out perfect in the end but I don't really regret it either. She's a great girl and I enjoyed our time together.

[Elvis 2008]

This is long but a very worthy listen of a divorce lawyers perspective on marriage and monogamy and a lot of related cultural issues. The first ten minutes are great but I ended up listening to the whole thing. And he has some gems as late as 50 minutes in about the Ten Commandments for example. Just a very engaging guy who puts a lot of stuff in perspective.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5z8...hiteUnderbelly

Hat tip to Bearsi who posted this in a Brasil thread on another topic.

I put that video on and could not stop watching it. Thanks for sharing it.

On the 10 commandments thing, though, in Biblical times, men would fuck their slaves if their wives could not give them kids. So adultery was fucking a woman that you did not own or rent. It was not about monogamy. It was really about theft and taking something that was not yours.

And thou shall not covet really has more to do with jealousy than sex. A person could say both were about resisting temptation, and I would agree with that, but there is not Biblical condemnation for not being monogamous and there is not Biblical condemnation for paying for sex. That is modern morality not Biblical morality.

What I liked most is this lawyer talking about a woman who quit having sex with her husband and was shocked when he cheated, and the lawyer is like, what did you expect? Then the other part about it that was great was saying, what does a man having sex with other women have to do with being a father? It was great stuff.

I saw this video service and was intrigued by the channel. There were other offerings but this one got me about a brothel owner named Freddy. He really ran an escort agency more than was a brothel owner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9kQuy90OGM

What struck me about this was how ethical this guy Freddy was and how much he cared about women and how hard he worked in comparison to the absolute shitbags in government. The government seized $10 million of his. Where did it go? Why did the state's attorney want this guy's client list so badly? Did he the want it so he could blackmail his way into a higher office?

But this guy Freddy is amazing. I would have love to have been one of his clients.

[AmericanPi]

Sounds like u don't regret it which is good. But $700 just hurts my head. I know the US has gone crazy but I still won't go over 500 in the US no matter what. It's just a moral line I've drawn. 😋 The key problem is she's acting a bit entitled. For 700 baby you suck it up and get it done a second time even if your tummy hurts.

I offer 600 in SoCal. But I've started cutting corners on hotels and restaurants. Just realized that girls appreciate the fine dining, but they don't really need it. And only the most spoiled know the names of the Michelin spots anyways. Most girls are happy with a 28 dollar plate of food and a few drinks. And a Hilton."

[Midwestern]

Hahaha! I am honored to have a position named after me in your book.

Dunno. But I've taken to naming things after the originator. Learned the "on your knees pillow under her butt missionary" from fellow ISGer Andy. So I call it The Andy. My fave which is her on her back at edge of bed, you standing I call The Steve (because like urs it didn't seem to have a name since had an SB tell me some people call it Stand and Deliver. LOL.). And her on her side blowing you and you FIV I call Steve 2. One of my faves! So we can call this the Midwestern! 😋 I may have to give it a try!

[Midwestern]

She let you bareback her and she seemed to be into the sex and into you. +1.

She is an 8/9. +1.

However, she did not want to go multiple rounds. -1.

You paid 700, which is a semi-crazy high price. To me, this is a wash, because this is also your fault too for paying too much.

And so, if it were me, I would see her a couple of more times and then tell her bye-bye because 700 is too much. Maybe she will like you by then, and she cuts the price to 500.

My 2 cents.

Had a score in the US.

Been chatting this girl for over a month. Let's call her be.

We were supposed to have met long ago but something came up for her. Met last night finally. She walks in and I'm like "wow. I want to do this one tonight".

Drinks / dinner, amazing talks, chemistry. We speak about allowance but didn't have explicit agreement.

After 3 hours at dinner table, we move it to my place. More drinks and try initite. She backs away and wants to agree on ppm. Little but of a turn off but we agree on 700. Way too high but what the heck. I have a 8/9 in my room. Let's go. She wanted condoms but I talked her out of it.

To the bed, she straps me, kneels in front, a decent BJ. We kiss, we make out. Then, she kinda forces me to sit on the bed edge, and goes in to straddle me. Takes me all the way in while I'm chewing up her beautiful nipples. She rides me like crazy. We swap to a little bit doggy, then Mish. I pound her. She screams and asks me to come inside. I wasn't sure. She says she is on BC and wants me cum inside. For whatever reason, I just pulled out and came on her tummy.

Maybe she did not like it. I don't know. Wiped clean, went for a shower. Then, we had another drink. I try round 2 but she says she has a weird tummy pain.

We go to sleep. She stayed over (kinda told me she doesn't want to drive drunk).

Next morning, we wake up and I try again. Same atory. She says her tummy hurts. And left.

I have never paid 700 for a single fuck. Sitting here, I don't know what to make out of this. Don't know if I will repeat. Optics are great but some bedroom chemistry missing. Off bedroom chemistry is great.

What do ya'll think?

[The Cane]

What do ya'll think?

That you should have "nutted" in her.

[Steve 9696]

Had a score in the US.

Been chatting this girl for over a month. Let's call her be.

We were supposed to have met long ago but something came up for her. Met last night finally. She walks in and I'm like "wow. I want to do this one tonight".

Drinks / dinner, amazing talks, chemistry. We speak about allowance but didn't have explicit agreement.

After 3 hours at dinner table, we move it to my place. More drinks and try initite. She backs away and wants to agree on ppm. Little but of a turn off but we agree on 700. Way too high but what the heck. I have a 8/9 in my room. Let's go. She wanted condoms but I talked her out of it.

To the bed, she straps me, kneels in front, a decent BJ. We kiss, we make out. Then, she kinda forces me to sit on the bed edge, and goes in to straddle me. Takes me all the way in while I'm chewing up her beautiful nipples. She rides me like crazy. We swap to a little bit doggy, then Mish. I pound her. She screams and asks me to come inside. I wasn't sure. She says she is on BC and wants me cum inside. For whatever reason, I just pulled out and came on her tummy.

Maybe she did not like it. I don't know. Wiped clean, went for a shower. Then, we had another drink. I try round 2 but she says she has a weird tummy pain.

We go to sleep. She stayed over (kinda told me she doesn't want to drive drunk).

Next morning, we wake up and I try again. Same atory. She says her tummy hurts. And left.

I have never paid 700 for a single fuck. Sitting here, I don't know what to make out of this. Don't know if I will repeat. Optics are great but some bedroom chemistry missing. Off bedroom chemistry is great.

What do ya'll think?

Sounds like u don't regret it which is good. But $700 just hurts my head. I know the US has gone crazy but I still won't go over 500 in the US no matter what. It's just a moral line I've drawn. 😋 The key problem is she's acting a bit entitled. For 700 baby you suck it up and get it done a second time even if your tummy hurts.

I remember with Thifany in London (of course a Brasileira without entitlement issues) where we were out dancing till 4 AM but had to quit because she was throwing up in the ladies toilet. Nonetheless when we got home we fucked and she took a hot load of CIM. That's a girl who knows how this works!

Now we can't have Brasileiras and home runs all the time and the US sucks. So I suppose good that you got to fire bareback with a hottie. But any hint of entitlement just turns me off. Yes she's entitled to her 700 and you are entitled to treat her like your fuck toy at that rate IMO.

PS Reminds me why I always discuss price first these days. I’ve gotten lucky a couple times but mostly negotiating with a loaded weapon in ur pants is not a great idea.

[Gfefan]

Had a score in the US.

Been chatting this girl for over a month. Let's call her be.

We were supposed to have met long ago but something came up for her. Met last night finally. She walks in and I'm like "wow. I want to do this one tonight".

Drinks / dinner, amazing talks, chemistry. We speak about allowance but didn't have explicit agreement.

After 3 hours at dinner table, we move it to my place. More drinks and try initite. She backs away and wants to agree on ppm. Little but of a turn off but we agree on 700. Way too high but what the heck. I have a 8/9 in my room. Let's go. She wanted condoms but I talked her out of it.

To the bed, she straps me, kneels in front, a decent BJ. We kiss, we make out. Then, she kinda forces me to sit on the bed edge, and goes in to straddle me. Takes me all the way in while I'm chewing up her beautiful nipples. She rides me like crazy. We swap to a little bit doggy, then Mish. I pound her. She screams and asks me to come inside. I wasn't sure. She says she is on BC and wants me cum inside. For whatever reason, I just pulled out and came on her tummy.

Maybe she did not like it. I don't know. Wiped clean, went for a shower. Then, we had another drink. I try round 2 but she says she has a weird tummy pain.

We go to sleep. She stayed over (kinda told me she doesn't want to drive drunk).

Next morning, we wake up and I try again. Same atory. She says her tummy hurts. And left.

I have never paid 700 for a single fuck. Sitting here, I don't know what to make out of this. Don't know if I will repeat. Optics are great but some bedroom chemistry missing. Off bedroom chemistry is great.

What do ya'll think?

[Elvis 2008]

If you paid her she's not your GF. She is your SB. Wake up and smell the coffee.

If you go on 3 dates at 4 hours a date, and your time is worth $200 an hour, aren't you paying more than if you just paid a porn star $1500 for an hour? Hell, if you worked eight of those 12 hours, you would come out ahead.

One of the dumb mantras on the site here is that line because it assumes everyone is the same and that women are only interested in money. If you are retired and are not capable of earning money, you can pay with time and brag about how little you spend.

If you do not see a woman for months and show up at her doorstep with money, is she going to fuck you? The answer is likely no if she has a BF and unlikely if she has a possessive SD, so money is not just enough. You have to pay with time too.

I give my gal $500 a month so she didn't have to work, and guys here are like I am giving her a million dollars. Still, her #1 concern is not how much I give her but how often I can see her. She wants to be with me 24-7.

If she were a hooker, money not my being with her would be her #1 concern.

And ironically I would be ahead financially if she cared more about money and less about time given the travel expenses and lost wages.

One of my gal's friends is engaged to an American but he only sees her like once every six months. Maybe his job is such that he cannot leave. I don't know. She is really hot, and I suspect he supports her because she does not have a job. Still even though she is engaged, she came onto a friend of mine because IMO she was not getting her sexual, companionship, and emotional needs met.

If you have a GF and you just pay her and do not spend time with her, and she is happy with that then I would say you have a hooker and not a GF.

For me, helping out an in demand woman financially is a bare minimum. It is like not smelling disgusting when you are near her. Why does no one ever say, "Don't shower for six months and see if she stays. " To me, it is literally the same thing.

[Steve 9696]

The other day, while my SB was riding me in reverse CG, I sat up and pushed her head down, so she was now pretty much in k9. While in my sitting position, with my legs spread in front of me on the bed, I started thrusting and the penetration was deep. I've never done this position before and I would be surprised if it didn't have a name. It was a great position.

Dunno. But I've taken to naming things after the originator. Learned the "on your knees pillow under her butt missionary" from fellow ISGer Andy. So I call it The Andy. My fave which is her on her back at edge of bed, you standing I call The Steve (because like urs it didn't seem to have a name — since had an SB tell me some people call it Stand and Deliver. LOL.). And her on her side blowing you and you FIV I call Steve 2. One of my faves! So we can call this the Midwestern! 😋 I may have to give it a try!

[Steve 9696]

This is long but a very worthy listen of a divorce lawyers perspective on marriage and monogamy and a lot of related cultural issues. The first ten minutes are great but I ended up listening to the whole thing. And he has some gems as late as 50 minutes in about the Ten Commandments for example. Just a very engaging guy who puts a lot of stuff in perspective.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5z8...hiteUnderbelly

Hat tip to Bearsi who posted this in a Brasil thread on another topic.

[Midwestern]

The other day, while my SB was riding me in reverse CG, I sat up and pushed her head down, so she was now pretty much in k9. While in my sitting position, with my legs spread in front of me on the bed, I started thrusting and the penetration was deep. I've never done this position before and I would be surprised if it didn't have a name. It was a great position.

[MiamiBoy1]

If you paid her she's not your GF. She is your SB. Wake up and smell the coffee.

Not only that. Other important factors to consider:

Were you introduced to her family and friends? If not, she is not your GF.

Does she post about you on social media or you are always "behind the scenes" (as most sugar daddies paying for them trips)?

Do you live in the same city and share the same household? Let"s be realistic here, if you don't live in her town full time and only come down there for a week or two per year, chances are you are not in a relationship. And you both know that whatever you have is a short-term thing and most likely, not an exclusive one. You have zero control of each other's life if you don't live in the same city and don't share the same household. This is why I call BS when somebody says "I have multiple girlfriends in different countries". No dumbass, they are your SB's or fuck buddies, not your girlfriends, simply because you both are not committed.

[The Cane]

If you paid her she's not your GF. She is your SB. Wake up and smell the coffee.

The way I see it, pussy always comes to a man with a payment attached to it. It may be a little, or it may be a lot, but payment is most definitely a part of it. It's just that we call the pussy different things (wife, mistress, girlfriend, sugar baby, prostitute, and so on) depending on the situation and set of circumstances involved. But any way you cut it, a man is always paying for the pussy! So according to my way of thinking, a "girlfriend" can indeed be some pussy you're paying for. Lord knows that over the years I shelled out plenty of money on "girlfriends". What the woman is to you just depends on the specific circumstances and details that define the relationship. But no matter because we're always paying bro. One way or the other. We're always paying! Society promotes paying under certain arrangements (wives) while discourages and even criminalizes paying under others (tutes). And then there's everything else in between. Either way? You pay.

[AmericanPi]

If you paid her she's not your GF. She is your SB. Wake up and smell the coffee.

I respect the experiences of others on this thread and their commitment to the long game on some relationships. And that they can go further than the one night thing or fling. But I agree with you. I've said this here too.

I think the "but for" test applies.

If she would not be there but for your donation, she's your SB not your girlfriend.

Just like.

If they would not listen to your troubles but for your payment, it's your therapist not your confidant.

If you pay him, he's your personal trainer not your workout buddy. It doesn't mean you didn't enjoy going to the concert together and didn't have his family over for Christmas dinner and swapped Yuletides. It's just a definitional thing.