Seeking Arrangements

[Steve 9696]

I agree with you on every point. I was just saying that they (in their minds) may have a legit reason for asking to get paid at the meet and greet, but that it did not matter to me. I now *never* pay for a meet and greet. Like I said, I tried it a few times, but never again. And yes, I too have been asked about paying for their uber, but if they are that poor then I will either pick them up or I will let them suggest a very public meeting spot within their walking distance.

I actually love sending an Uber for the girl. Sure it adds $50 roundtrip or something but it feels badass to send a car. Plus since it's on your Uber (I have a separate Uber acct for this) you can track her arrival. None of this "I am half way there" BS. And you can meet her at the curb when she pulls up. It's just kinda awesome. And being the sappy guy I am I track them till they are home safe. Just feels awesome all around IMO.

[Midwestern]

I am afraid I need to disagree with you on your second paragraph MW. Again, this is strictly my take. You are an experienced sugar daddy, whatever works for you works for you. But those type of arguments from a girl "prove to me you are real, prove to me you are rich" are a huge turnoff and I tend to block them when I receive such replies. First, we need to prove nothing, least of all to girls who are ready to fuck for money. Secondly, throwing $100 does not prove one is rich. Even if I had $100 M, I would not pay $20 for a stick of chewing gum for example. You pay what something is worth, and I have a very strict principle that I will pay nothing for a meet and greet. I am paying for the drink or lunch, and that is enough.

Some girls say they don't have a car and ride and ask for Uber money. That is a legitimate request as it is indeed true that some of them have no money and no car. I offer them that I can pick them wherever they want to be picked, and we can drive to a restaurant near their house. Some object and say they cannot get into a car with a person they have not met yet. I tell them there is little I can do. If they cannot risk getting into a car with someone they do not know, I am not going to give money to a person I do not know yet.

I think giving money for a first time meet and greet is a slippery slope. But then again, this is my personal view.

I agree with you on every point. I was just saying that they (in their minds) may have a legit reason for asking to get paid at the meet and greet, but that it did not matter to me. I now *never* pay for a meet and greet. Like I said, I tried it a few times, but never again. And yes, I too have been asked about paying for their uber, but if they are that poor then I will either pick them up or I will let them suggest a very public meeting spot within their walking distance.

[Midwestern]

For me, the cost of hotels for meetups started to add up. So, eventually, I primarily dated SBs based on whether or not they had their own place for our meetups. Granted, most of these gals did not have their own place because they were too poor, or they had roommates. But if you can find these gals, it saves a lot on costs.

[The Cane]

Wow. You seem to be excessively sensitive. A lot of wasted sarcasm.

You suggested that my reaction was based on nothing but pure naivete. You were not correct, as the reactions of plenty of others on the matter who do in fact have lots of experience with the sugar babies shall attest. People can choose to agree or disagree over the issue, but somebody who sees it differently than you do isn't necessarily being naive. As a worldly man, I may be many things, but naive is not one of them.

[SfoCowboy]

This is perfect.

Just a clarification. I *always* use Steve's method when I *already* have a hotel room. For example, if I am on a business trip. I have to admit, it's more hit than miss. Especially if we are meeting for drinks, which relaxes inhibitions. So, if you already have a room, then I totally agree that Steve's approach is the way to go. Otherwise, a coffee date is a waste of time, especially if she does not insist on it or suggests it.

BUT, when I am at home, then I *always* do a coffee date first. Otherwise, what can I do? Book a hotel room and then hope that we will have naughty fun on the first date? Nope. Too many no-shows and sometimes when they do show, the chemistry just wasn't there. So, I paid for a room for nothing. Or, if first date does go well, then book a room on an app and head to the room? Nope. I need to show up at the front desk to go through the whole process of checking in, and this likely entails my losing my anonymity.

Please correct me if I am doing it wrong.

[Elvis 2008]

I am curious about how you discussed your 10 AM arrival for your requirements with the hotel? I would think most chains would not be down with "I need a room for a couple hours of fucking at 10 AM". So how did you phrase this and get such an early checkin?

You would be surprised, Steve. I am nothing with Marriott like a silver whatever but I ask for and always get early and late checkin just by asking.

I have one friend who is like Ambassador type level at Starwoods and that means if the hotel is full, they will kick out someone with a reservation to accommodate him. I never heard of that before.

On a similar note, I was really frustrated with American Airlines and their AAdvantage plan. It is really getting to be a pain in the ass and an expense to use miles. Anyway, a friend of mine was bragging about getting to gold status with them as it gets your bags to fly free. I am going to focus on that now.

With you (and I) flying to South America so much, it does not take much to get to a higher level status, and it may be worth the few extra $$ to fly direct on a better airline than say Spirit and rack up the status points.

I was at a Bogota Marriott where you get access to their free food and snack bar and it was great. I paid $50 for two nights to eat all the meals there, and the food was good, and it gave us a lot more time to spend together in the bedroom.

Bottom line is you should check out the perks of these reward plans. Long term being loyal to one hotel chain and airline may pay off in other ways than immediate cash savings.

[Elvis 2008]

There are many girls on SA that are offering this on their profile. I really doubt they are getting too much business. Most men who are hitting the SD sites have successful lives filled with powerful and intelligent women, we have no shortage of platonic dates.

PP, a lot of the women who put down platonic are not. They just want to keep the creeps away. When SA listed allowance, one lady put down $20,000 a month just to keep the creeps away. I paid her $300 PPM.

I can get a feel from the profile if platonic means platonic, and I bet you could too. This is in contrast to WYP. I thought WYP would be a place where women could know I was a man of means, but no, it means crazy bitches who really expected me to dole out $100+ just to meet with them for dinner. Out of 11 dates from what's your price, I sealed the deal with one woman, granted she was hot as shit but the yield from WYP was God awful.

[Pessimist]

There are many girls on SA that are offering this on their profile. I really doubt they are getting too much business. Most men who are hitting the SD sites have successful lives filled with powerful and intelligent women, we have no shortage of platonic dates.

That being said, their are some stunners whom if they are accompanying us to a function or event then they should get payment for that as a service.

For hotel in my home town I have a couple of pre-approved hotel destinations that I have already researched. They are cool with me arriving early for my requirements, so that gives me the use of the room during the day, usually I can access a room from 10 am.

This week when I met a girl for the first time for a coffee date I already had two hotels researched in the immediate area. As soon as I saw that beautiful slender woman in heels I knew I would be exercising my hotel option. We turned up at the hotel, I checked in and paid cash. Yes, I give my real name on checkin. Paying cash keeps it off any bank statements.

PP.

Sugar dates are a different matter. Yes, some guys like to show off by going to a party with an attractive young date. The girl expects to get paid for it. That is one of the sub segments of sugar babes, not all of them can pull it off. You want someone who is attractive, articulate, will not make a fool of herself and by extension you at the party, will not blurt out that you paid for her in front of your boss and colleagues and so on. I see it as a risky gambit for the guy, but for the girl it can be a good situation.

That is however, a different situation from what we were talking about, which is about paying the girl for that first meet, just to meet. That to me is a no no. I am fine if a guy and girl meet, decide to have a strictly platonic arrangement. After all, in FKKs, many guys go to the rooms with girls just to chat, listen to music, look at photos, play cards or what have you. That is their prerogative. But I will not pay to meet a girl where we discuss the terms of the arrangement. Never. Drinks and food yes, but no money or gifts just to meet.

Some hotels and motels do allow early check in and w / o extra payment. Depends on how full they are. Personally, I book in the afternoons or late evenings, 10 AM sex is too early for me.

[Steve 9696]

There are many girls on SA that are offering this on their profile. I really doubt they are getting too much business. Most men who are hitting the SD sites have successful lives filled with powerful and intelligent women, we have no shortage of platonic dates.

That being said, their are some stunners whom if they are accompanying us to a function or event then they should get payment for that as a service.

For hotel in my home town I have a couple of pre-approved hotel destinations that I have already researched. They are cool with me arriving early for my requirements, so that gives me the use of the room during the day, usually I can access a room from 10 am.

This week when I met a girl for the first time for a coffee date I already had two hotels researched in the immediate area. As soon as I saw that beautiful slender woman in heels I knew I would be exercising my hotel option. We turned up at the hotel, I checked in and paid cash. Yes, I give my real name on checkin. Paying cash keeps it off any bank statements.

PP.

So yeah agree the local hotel that I am paying for is the most complex part. Easy when traveling. Fortunately a girl I am seeing from time to time invited me to her place after two hotel visits. But I am trying out a new girl and the hotel situation presents itself again.

I am curious about how you discussed your 10 AM arrival for your requirements with the hotel? I would think most chains would not be down with "I need a room for a couple hours of fucking at 10 AM". So how did you phrase this and get such an early checkin?

Ps Great to see this thread active and flourishing! For the first couple months felt like me and Midwestern talking into the void. Great to see it gaining momentum and good information exchange. BTW my Miami $1000 shot off the bow girl seems to be going to accept $400. Although I have a couple girls who didn’t irk me in that way that I like better at this point. We’ll see.

[PilotPaul]

I paid for a meet and greet a few times. It never led to anything. They continued to want to get paid for platonic dates.

There are many girls on SA that are offering this on their profile. I really doubt they are getting too much business. Most men who are hitting the SD sites have successful lives filled with powerful and intelligent women, we have no shortage of platonic dates.

That being said, their are some stunners whom if they are accompanying us to a function or event then they should get payment for that as a service.

For hotel in my home town I have a couple of pre-approved hotel destinations that I have already researched. They are cool with me arriving early for my requirements, so that gives me the use of the room during the day, usually I can access a room from 10 am.

This week when I met a girl for the first time for a coffee date I already had two hotels researched in the immediate area. As soon as I saw that beautiful slender woman in heels I knew I would be exercising my hotel option. We turned up at the hotel, I checked in and paid cash. Yes, I give my real name on checkin. Paying cash keeps it off any bank statements.

PP.

[Elvis 2008]

Please correct me if I am doing it wrong.

That is how I do it. If I have a hotel room, I just pretend that I am lousy with directions and meet the girl in the hotel bar or restaurant.

[Pessimist]

I paid for a meet and greet a few times. It never led to anything. They continued to want to get paid for platonic dates. At first, I thought it might be worth it because maybe it will be a fun date. But then I realized that the kind of gals that want $100 just for a platonic date are not the kind of girls that are going to be fun to begin with. So I totally stopped doing it.

The funny thing is that if you question them about it, then they will say that they have been scammed so many times and so now they need proof that we are really rich and have sincere intentions for an arrangement, and they will often say "if you are really rich, then why do you care about a measly $100?" I have to admit, this is a compelling line, but just move to the next gal.

Besides, it's all about setting expectations. If you want to be generous, then do it later, after you feel like it is genuinely merited and worth it.

I am afraid I need to disagree with you on your second paragraph MW. Again, this is strictly my take. You are an experienced sugar daddy, whatever works for you works for you. But those type of arguments from a girl "prove to me you are real, prove to me you are rich" are a huge turnoff and I tend to block them when I receive such replies. First, we need to prove nothing, least of all to girls who are ready to fuck for money. Secondly, throwing $100 does not prove one is rich. Even if I had $100 M, I would not pay $20 for a stick of chewing gum for example. You pay what something is worth, and I have a very strict principle that I will pay nothing for a meet and greet. I am paying for the drink or lunch, and that is enough.

Some girls say they don't have a car and ride and ask for Uber money. That is a legitimate request as it is indeed true that some of them have no money and no car. I offer them that I can pick them wherever they want to be picked, and we can drive to a restaurant near their house. Some object and say they cannot get into a car with a person they have not met yet. I tell them there is little I can do. If they cannot risk getting into a car with someone they do not know, I am not going to give money to a person I do not know yet.

I think giving money for a first time meet and greet is a slippery slope. But then again, this is my personal view.

[Pessimist]

Dear Pessimist,

Thank you for letting me know that it is my prerogative. I did not realize that until you so astutely pointed it out. Now that you have, I will act accordingly. Thank you for enlightening me. But who said anything about treating them like a tute? Certainly I did not (I actually treat the tutes quite well mind you). I'm already savvy enough to know we're not talking about in your face prostitution here. Or, eh are we? No, what I'm talking about is not being treated like a simp and disrespected by them, which is exactly what they're doing by thinking I'm supposed to pay them some money just for showing up for a first meet and greet, on top of being a gentleman and paying 100% for drinks, dinner and whatever else that would contribute to a pleasant evening of getting to know one another. I'm not doing that for anybody, be it a tute, a sugar baby, or a "regular" girl. Pay them just to show up to eat the food and down the drinks I also paid for. And by the looks of it, it would seem that some of the men here who do partake in the sugar babes see it as I do.

And lastly, sometimes it's OK to live and learn vicariously you know. You don't have to go out and engage in everything every single time to understand with informed knowledge (as opposed to naivete) that it's not for you. For your own enlightenment, please know that I've researched the sugar baby scene very, very well (for several years my friend) and have viewed (documentaries and programs) and read (all over the internet including here) enough about it (from both the perspectives of the sugar daddies and the sugar babies) to know that it's not for me. Hey how about some props for knowing me for me better than anybody else possibly could? I'm well-educated, I'm well-traveled, and I tend not to shoot from the hip, especially when it comes to how I'm going to spend (or not spend) my money on the ladies. But even if I did shoot from the hip and acted with uninformed naivete, as you say. It would be my prerogative. We understand each other on this. Thank you for shopping!

Wow. You seem to be excessively sensitive. A lot of wasted sarcasm. Good that you have studied sugar babe sites. If you have never used the sites though, studying is just studying. It is as if a virgin said "I studied a lot of sex, even watched a lot of tapes". However, even in this post you talk as if money for the meet and greet is mandatory. I just said there are no rules when it comes to sugar babe sites and indeed no rules for the whole sugar babe scene. By implying that there is anything like a set rule or mandatory gift giving ("being treated like a simp and disrespected by them, which is exactly what they're doing by thinking I'm supposed to pay them some money just for showing up for a first meet and greet" you are already showing that your "studies" were still incomplete. Hopefully, this particular thread is helpful in furthering your studies. Good luck and congratulations for being well traveled and well educated my friend! Always a rare pleasure to meet such people in forums like this.

[The Cane]

The funny thing is that if you question them about it, then they will say that they have been scammed so many times and so now they need proof that we are really rich and have sincere intentions for an arrangement, and they will often say "if you are really rich, then why do you care about a measly $100?" I have to admit, this is a compelling line, but just move to the next gal.

Not to me it isn't, and the question is beside the point as far as I'm concerned. You don't get rich by doling out your money for little or nothing in return. Too many people simply don't have the right level of appreciation for this, especially people who have never had any money. Now, if she intends to put out, then why does she need a "measely" $100 just for showing up when she could have a much more generous gift back in the room? Pray tell girlie LOL!

[Midwestern]

I paid for a meet and greet a few times. It never led to anything. They continued to want to get paid for platonic dates. At first, I thought it might be worth it because maybe it will be a fun date. But then I realized that the kind of gals that want $100 just for a platonic date are not the kind of girls that are going to be fun to begin with. So I totally stopped doing it.

The funny thing is that if you question them about it, then they will say that they have been scammed so many times and so now they need proof that we are really rich and have sincere intentions for an arrangement, and they will often say "if you are really rich, then why do you care about a measly $100?" I have to admit, this is a compelling line, but just move to the next gal.

Besides, it's all about setting expectations. If you want to be generous, then do it later, after you feel like it is genuinely merited and worth it.