Seeking Arrangements

[Midwestern]

Good insights, Steve9696.

Did you ever have a long term (monthly) financial arrangement? If so, I would be curious what the arrangement was. I only had one, 5 k per month, and it was because she wanted to see me every day and even gave me a key to her apartment (plus, she had a body of a Hustler centerfold). Other girls were strict about number of dates, so it wasn't worth it.

I agree with everything you say, but one small exception. I would never do a dinner date as a first date. If there's no chemistry, then it's a waste of a couple of hours. Plus, I'm never horny on a full stomach, LOL. So, I always suggest meeting for drinks. We can split after the first drink if there's no chemistry.

And I especially agree with you that one great aspect of SA is that most of these gals might genuinely like you, since they are not emotionless professional escorts. During initial chit chat, the question of what each other is looking for always arises, and I usually want to hear what they're looking for first, because they usually know what they want, while I'm flexible.

[Steve 9696]

Wow this thread suddenly blew up. I'll try to comment on several threads at once.

First of all as I said it takes a lot of time to do it the way I do. But if you just want an escort they are easy to find. They most often will only message you once or twice and then want to go to phone text. And then pretty quickly ask what allowance you offer. So U can use SA for straight up escorts and that's pretty easy.

And I don't use it like Midwestern. In my mind SB is providing sex and more and SD is providing dollars. So I don't have any unpaid SBs. (Minor exception below). It's definitely a paid gig for my girl.

So I try to find pretty new girls and believe me they don't want to be treated like escorts and I their mind they are not. The first 10-20 messages are just friendly chit chat. If they like your sense of humor you are halfway there. At some point you will have to take it over to text. I would not discuss money on SA. The way I normally describe things to a new girl is that I don't want an escort but I also want a complete experience and a complete experience means dinner and drinks and only if chemistry is there then room time also. They we discuss what inwill pay for a complete date. And I make it clear that if the chemistry is not there we will bail after dinner. I even say I will give them $50 for their Uber if they bail. So far I am 15 of 16 with girls going to the room and having a fully satisfactory conclusion. And the one that bailed we were truly into each other and made out and all but she freaked about me being married. So it was not even a total fail and she's in my Rolodex (haha old man word!)

As to overseas I've had two great experiences. I met a girl in Buenos Aires and we spent 21 hours together over 3 days. I gave her $1000. Not all rosy tho because I flew her to London and she broke up with me and fucked other guys on my dime. So that was a bummer! But I ended up finding a Columbian girl in London and negotiated 350£ for 4-5 hours together. And she ends up bringing her hot friend. Dinner dancing and duo sex. Completely epic. And I had told her I would give her 100 if she bails (she balked at the 50 during texting) but she didn't bail! Now to be fair it's up to you to bring the game and close the deal! Just make sure they are having a blast and ur good to go.

Finally I generally agree to avoid Platonic girls and the number of girls looking for money for no sex is staggering and ridiculous. But I contacted one who is a hottie to see if she'the bend the rules and we hit it off soooo good. Turns out she's gay but does Cam girl etc. She's made $450 this week doing cams and photos and walking (non sexually) on a guy and dominating him. So platonic may mean no traditional sex but lots of other stuff possible. I am actually meeting her tomorrow and very excited. (Unpaid buddy date).

To me the best part of SA is the girls decide what they want to do and how far they want to go. There is nothing like a couple hours of dinner, a couple hours of sex and then you realize she is sleeping over because she wants to! Happened twice last month (different girls) and it was awesome both times.

[Elvis 2008]

I find it amazing that you guys are able to use SA successfully abroad. Don't you guys ever have a meet-and-greet and chemistry was not there? It's a waste of an evening, which are valuable when abroad. At home, I don't care about wasting the an evening every once in a while.
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In Bogota, there are so many back up plans it is ridiculous. You can just cruise to Santa Fe and get laid for $20 or to a nightclub or spa if it does not work out for a little more, but I was scheduling 1 to 2 meet and greets per day. For the most part, the only time I didn't have sex with the first M&G was by my choice. In one week, I think I had 9 meets, and I rejected two and had some repeats. I was exhausted after my first trip. I know people are pressed for time, but if you have the time, it is a must place visit. I have been seeing flights to Colombia in the $300 range.

In Mexico City, your backup is a twitter escort which takes a little more time and patience than what is available in Colombia, and it is a little more in the $60 to $120 range. There was a lot more GPS among the SBs for sure. I wish I had found a SB that could fuck and suck like the escort Raven Lawson. She is such a high energy nympho. I found one there that I would call a SB that I like, and she was good, but for whatever reason, I thought the Mexico City escorts all provided such a great and intimate experience that I didn't see that much benefit of having a SB there like I did in other places.

[Midwestern]

I also looked at how long the gals have been on the site. If she's been on there for more than a year, then she's probably jaded and maybe she has just become another escort. The new members are the best, because they are excited and you can mold their expectations. One day, I saw a new gal on the site. 24 years old, tall, hot blonde. She even had a masters degree. I contacted her immediately and she agreed to a date and we exchanged contact info. Later that day, she deleted her profile. I asked her why, and she said she was overwhelmed with guys contacting her. Anyway, we had a great relationship for a while. She never asked for money. She just wanted to have fun. She moved back home after grad school and didn't have anyone to go out with, and she was broke because she just started her first job.

If you're worried about using SA in your city, then maybe use it in a nearby city. For example, if you live in Oakland, then meet SA gals in SF. I also did this with success. But of course it takes more time out of your day driving 1 or 2, or more, hours.

[Midwestern]

THis is very helpful info and gives me more trust in SA. From my 18 months experience on it, I maybe saw one or two seemingly fake profiles out of thousands, and maybe a few escorts out of thousands, so I can confirm that my experience matches what you describe. I eventually quit the site because I was in a large metropolitan area and so using SA was a lot of time and work. I tried it out in smaller metropolitan areas, and success rate was much higher, but fewer options of course.

I have never used the site as a customer, I used to work there.

The staff (technical, admin, marketing, management) are all very dedicated to what they do. There are no fake profiles on the site, they have a fairly large team that weeds them out. Every new member request is checked manually by a person, there are no auto-robots running the site. Hence you can expect to pay a premium for what they do. They are very cautious about people who seem to be not who they say they are. Escorts are weeded out ruthlessly as well -- posting a profile picture on SA that can also be found on an escort website is an insta-ban. They do use some technical measures to help identify fakes including storing cookies, tracking IP address usage, etc. Nothing that would break privacy laws but they are very detailed in their approval and deactivation processes.

Security is very high on the priority list. Their servers aren't on any public clouds like AWS or similar where there can be other systems on the site, they self-host everything locked away in special cages in data centres. I have a high level of trust in their IT team, just from a policy point of view they do the right things.

It's a pleasant enough place to work but relatively high pressure. Management are forthright and state their objectives clearly, they offer good support to staff that perform well and staff that don't perform well or aren't up to scratch are shown the door fairly quickly. Generally they seek high calibre people and treat them well if they perform well.

That's probably about all I can say without breaking non disclosure agreements so I'll stop there.

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[Midwestern]

Is it weird that many women are looking for submissive male. I got quite a few that favorite me with description like dominant, submissive sub, Goddes, powerful or femdom. Also many are looking for Platonic relationship, do you ignore these?

Some women are into BDSM, or they think many guys are into it. Many of these gals have told me that guys often inquire or request it. I guess it's more common when it's p4 p.

I met some gals looking for platonic relationships. Because I was hoping for more. But it never became more. Some gals just want to have a male drinking buddy, or a mentor. The outrageous thing is that they still expected dinners and sometimes some cash. If I were active on SA again, I would ignore those seeking platonic relationships.

[WindAngel]

The bad:

Many of the gals are losers (potheads, HS dropouts, min wage workers, etc) or have other issues (I met 2 that were bipolar, but many were just really weird).

The undergrads or 20 somethings mostly treat you like a real sugar daddy, and so after a paid date they cannot wait to ditch me and go clubbing with their friends.

Is it weird that many women are looking for submissive male. I got quite a few that favorite me with description like dominant, submissive sub, Goddes, powerful or femdom. Also many are looking for Platonic relationship, do you ignore these?

[Midwestern]

I find it amazing that you guys are able to use SA successfully abroad. Don't you guys ever have a meet-and-greet and chemistry was not there? It's a waste of an evening, which are valuable when abroad. At home, I don't care about wasting the an evening every once in a while.

I have been off and on SA since 2009. It is like that in the USA Now for sure. However, there are other places that are much better. I really liked what I found in Bogota, and I have done Mexico City. The women there were not as pretty and wanted more, but it was miles better than the USA I didn't have much like with SA in Monterrey, Mexico. The places that interest me that I have not done are Sao Paulo, Medellin, Cartagena, and Lima in that order. Having a SB abroad is tough but with the sex gulag crackdown, that even snared billionaire Robert Kraft, I am done playing in the USA.

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Midwestern. Thanks for starting this. As I said in that other thread I also have some great experience to share but didn't know how to start a thread on it. So thanks.

I ama relative Newbie at it having just pulled my first girl in June. But I've pulled 15 girls since June and had some awesome experiences, many of which I can and will share here. IMO in the US it's the only way to fly tho I have had a good experience in London and Buenos Aires also.

The key point is it does in fact take a ton of time, which I don't mind. I typically start my search for the perfect girl about a month ahead of visiting a given city and am on SA every night. If you like chatting with girls and finding the gems in the pile of BS like I do (there is something viscerally satisfying about it) then it's not work but part of the fun. I've also ended up with two gal-pals who I pen pal quite intimately with tho we've never met. It's nice to just chat about stuff including their SA and their boyfriends and whatever else. This is just a nice side benefit.

[ColinBakerKing]

I have never used the site as a customer, I used to work there.

The staff (technical, admin, marketing, management) are all very dedicated to what they do. There are no fake profiles on the site, they have a fairly large team that weeds them out. Every new member request is checked manually by a person, there are no auto-robots running the site. Hence you can expect to pay a premium for what they do. They are very cautious about people who seem to be not who they say they are. Escorts are weeded out ruthlessly as well -- posting a profile picture on SA that can also be found on an escort website is an insta-ban. They do use some technical measures to help identify fakes including storing cookies, tracking IP address usage, etc. Nothing that would break privacy laws but they are very detailed in their approval and deactivation processes.

Security is very high on the priority list. Their servers aren't on any public clouds like AWS or similar where there can be other systems on the site, they self-host everything locked away in special cages in data centres. I have a high level of trust in their IT team, just from a policy point of view they do the right things.

It's a pleasant enough place to work but relatively high pressure. Management are forthright and state their objectives clearly, they offer good support to staff that perform well and staff that don't perform well or aren't up to scratch are shown the door fairly quickly. Generally they seek high calibre people and treat them well if they perform well.

That's probably about all I can say without breaking non disclosure agreements so I'll stop there.

[Elvis 2008]

The bad:

Many of the gals are losers (potheads, HS dropouts, min wage workers, etc) or have other issues (I met 2 that were bipolar, but many were just really weird).

I have been off and on SA since 2009. It is like that in the USA Now for sure. However, there are other places that are much better. I really liked what I found in Bogota, and I have done Mexico City. The women there were not as pretty and wanted more, but it was miles better than the USA I didn't have much like with SA in Monterrey, Mexico. The places that interest me that I have not done are Sao Paulo, Medellin, Cartagena, and Lima in that order. Having a SB abroad is tough but with the sex gulag crackdown, that even snared billionaire Robert Kraft, I am done playing in the USA.

[Midwestern]

The bad:

Many of the gals are losers (potheads, HS dropouts, min wage workers, etc) or have other issues (I met 2 that were bipolar, but many were just really weird).

The undergrads or 20 somethings mostly treat you like a real sugar daddy, and so after a paid date they cannot wait to ditch me and go clubbing with their friends.

If you date a gal long enough, they will eventually know your real identity, either because you'll slip, or run into someone when on a date, or the waiter says, "thanks Mr. David Smith" when getting your credit card back, or the Uber drivers will ask or say your name, etc. It's not easy being incognito for so long.

And in large metropolitan areas, the gals are overwhelmed with queries so it takes a lot of effort to get their attention. Sometimes it takes weeks of back and forth and then maybe you get a date.

Some might want a real relationship eventually and then there will be huge drama.

The good:

At one time, I was dating a 24,26, and 29 year old. All super hot. They all had jobs, but they just wanted to be wined and dined and wanted to travel. I also dated a former mistress of a famous person, someone we all know. Wow, she was hot and sexy. But overall, it can be a great way to find a no strings attached GF.

My MO:

My MO was to meet the gals for a drink and see where it went from there.

I never showed my face on the site.

If they wanted to see my face, I'the suggest meeting for 5-minutes at a safe place of their choosing so they can see what I look like.

[Steve 9696]

Midwestern. Thanks for starting this. As I said in that other thread I also have some great experience to share but didn't know how to start a thread on it. So thanks.

I ama relative Newbie at it having just pulled my first girl in June. But I've pulled 15 girls since June and had some awesome experiences, many of which I can and will share here. IMO in the US it's the only way to fly tho I have had a good experience in London and Buenos Aires also.

The key point is it does in fact take a ton of time, which I don't mind. I typically start my search for the perfect girl about a month ahead of visiting a given city and am on SA every night. If you like chatting with girls and finding the gems in the pile of BS like I do (there is something viscerally satisfying about it) then it's not work but part of the fun. I've also ended up with two gal-pals who I pen pal quite intimately with tho we've never met. It's nice to just chat about stuff including their SA and their boyfriends and whatever else. This is just a nice side benefit.

[Midwestern]

Let's use this thread to discuss and share SA experiences, tips, advice, etc.

I was on SA for 18 months in the states and had 25 gals. About half were just gals that wanted to enjoy fancy dinners, being spoiled, going on trips, etc. No monetary transaction was ever involved. But other half involved were explicit monetary arrangements. But its a LOT of work.