Seeking Arrangements

[MiamiBoy1]

With younger generation, going through GF's phone is standard. My guess is jealous BF or girl freaked out. Whatever it is, just move on.

If that's the case, it makes sense to delete SA profile as well. But no, they are still online and active on SA. I agree, got to move on. But when you have let's say, 5 contacts, and you lose 2 in 1 day, that hurts.

[Steve 9696]

If they say they are marriage minded, why not treat them like you would a woman on a regular date and court them like you would a woman not on seeking? Would you throw bunch of money at someone like that? I would not. I would mention you are marriage minded too, take them on dates, and pay for the things a BF would. And change your profile and make it out to be you are good husband material versus rich monger material. That would mean photos of animals, going to charity events ETC.

I was looking for long term on seeking not the hooker types so I actually liked it when women put that down.

We all have our approaches but I don't see any need to set an expectation that's likely not reality. This was a timely post because I just had this exact thing. Well not exactly marriage minded. But wants a long term weekly SD. Here's what I said. Likely date next week.

Yep totally get you are looking for regular. I'm not in xxxx and can't be that guy. But I am coming to xxxx later this week and would love to entertain you in the meantime. Allowance of course.

I travel a lot for work and have def flown girls I super vibe with to be with me so that's def in the cards. But requires a special vibe beyond the usual obviously.

So if you are interested in an amazing time while you find your local man I may be just the thing. Whatcha drinking? Espresso martini?

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For those newer at this, In the Seeking game dept notice it ends in a question. Always end with a question.

And she came back right away interested in exploring same. I also think most girls on SA are comfortable with some amount of polyamory. My profile clearly says Im gonna fly in and well have an awesome time. And any girl with the slightest spark will realize ima gonna fly somewhere else and fuck someone else. But it doesnt seem to cause them pause at all.

[Elvis 2008]

I'm old enough to know that anything can happen but I've got to be really skeptical of someone overtly requesting this on a sugaring site. So what do you guys do? Some of their pics show that they are really desirable and I'm inclined to throw a bunch of money and time their way just to get them in the sack bit I can't help but think it may be futile. Thoughts? Experiences?

If they say they are marriage minded, why not treat them like you would a woman on a regular date and court them like you would a woman not on seeking? Would you throw bunch of money at someone like that? I would not. I would mention you are marriage minded too, take them on dates, and pay for the things a BF would. And change your profile and make it out to be you are good husband material versus rich monger material. That would mean photos of animals, going to charity events ETC.

I was looking for long term on seeking not the hooker types so I actually liked it when women put that down.

[Elvis 2008]

This shit has happened a few times in a row recently. You message a girl on SA, she replies, you exchange a few words, then move the conversation to WhatsApp. You chit chat a little bit more on WA, everything moves smoothly, looks like she is interested in meeting in person. Then, a day or two later, all of a sudden you realize she blocked you for no apparent reason. The profile pic is no longer visible, and your messages can't be delivered (1 check mark). WTF? No date and the time is wasted. Anybody had the same issue recently?

With younger generation, going through GF's phone is standard. My guess is jealous BF or girl freaked out. Whatever it is, just move on.

[Nounce]

...Monogamous and Brasileira don't go in the same sentence. Brasileiras esp the pretty ones are going to have multiple lovers. Two girls I "dated" got engaged a month or two after we fucked. So that should tell you something....

My experience with non-working girls is different so I won't generalize it. I had two young Brazlilian language tutors and they both are very conservative. One is actually a model traveling with her agency. I have attended wedding, go to their homes, went on multi-day trip with Brazilians in Brazil so I know some pretty well. My own observation tells me the higher social status ones are more conservative than the equivalent of Colombians.

There was a girl who likes me. She used her friend to probe me with questions like she does not want Brazilian man, she wants a boyfriend who is a foreigner, do you know anyone? I was the only foreigner so who could that be? After I left, she sent me a message saying she missed me so much and other stuff. I thought she did not know I left, so I asked her if she knew I left. She said she did. I think she was waiting for me to make a move but I did not. She expressed her feeling for me until she found out it was too late. I would not make a move anyway because we have many common friends and I don't want to be tight down.

[DramaFree11]

This shit has happened a few times in a row recently. You message a girl on SA, she replies, you exchange a few words, then move the conversation to WhatsApp. You chit chat a little bit more on WA, everything moves smoothly, looks like she is interested in meeting in person. Then, a day or two later, all of a sudden you realize she blocked you for no apparent reason. The profile pic is no longer visible, and your messages can't be delivered (1 check mark). WTF? No date and the time is wasted. Anybody had the same issue recently?

It happens, that is part of the game. I no longer deal with girls that have no pictures or use the disappearing messages. They usually just waste of time.

[MiamiBoy1]

This shit has happened a few times in a row recently. You message a girl on SA, she replies, you exchange a few words, then move the conversation to WhatsApp. You chit chat a little bit more on WA, everything moves smoothly, looks like she is interested in meeting in person. Then, a day or two later, all of a sudden you realize she blocked you for no apparent reason. The profile pic is no longer visible, and your messages can't be delivered (1 check mark). WTF? No date and the time is wasted. Anybody had the same issue recently?

[Elvis 2008]

Honestly, I think it is the opposite we say you should you all the resources. (On-line, Escorts, Dating Apps, Day Game, Friends, hell whatever works use it).

Yeah, if you are serious and want quality, you use it all. I think you also need to go where the women are, and you can do that by looking at population data. My brother was messing around in Dallas eternally frustrated. He literally witnessed the massive transformation of the social scene fifteen years ago when seeking came out. Instead of a 10:1 male to female ratio in bars, overnight, it was closer to 1:1 but he was seeing these older geekier guys with young beautiful women. That was just when seeking hit it big.

He was questioning if he was the problem and went to Russia, and he was just destroying it out there and really got the importance of playing in target rich environments. When he came back to the USA, there was not the desperation he felt before, and he told the women flat out if they were not as good as he had in Russia.

My brother had this friend who was really into the Game as well. The book is okay, but it is like the Ayn Rand books where they have spawned this set of weirdos devoted to it. When I was married, I just cared about getting strange. I was having a great time with seeking fucking my brains out while they were obsessed with this dumb game shit. The amount of time and money they wasted on trying not to pay for it was staggering. The friend was a guy like a Mr. E type more interested in getting a great deal than getting laid.

Maybe I am a little sensitive to it because I heard this bullshit for years. My seeking women did not count. They were sluts. The friend wound up with a stripper and then after that an unattractive woman whose gift to the world was name dropping. My brother ended up with a woman who was a lot like my ex-wife, attractive and accomplished on the surface but bat shit crazy underneath. He was telling me his woman would never go on seeking and neither would my ex-wife but that does not mean they were quality companions. These types routinely put their men down in public, engaged in emasculating behavior, were physically violent, and would call the police when there was an argument. And while maybe at first these type of women like you for you, when it comes to divorce court, they are ALL about the money.

You tell people this and they are like oh it did not work out for you. The guys blink away the 50% divorce rate and a huge percent of the other guys are miserable. They do not get my ex was a smart professional with natural DD breasts and a 24 inch waist, and my brother's gal has this sky high IQ and is a triathlete. The chances of guys doing better than these two are really slim.

I watch the dating shows and with the women, I constantly hear you deserve better. There is no limit to what the women think they are owed, and I think that is the issue. All the women think they have to do is show up.

For me, I realized a good sex life was critical to my life and I noticed the only couples who were really happy were the ones still banging each other. Those guys did not cheat because they really had something to lose. There is all this other bullshit but if a couple is not actively having a great time in the bedroom, I know it is not going to work out.

Far from being illegitimate, I think in some ways it is better to have a seeking woman because a seeking women knows if they do not put out, the sugar relationship is done. It is like a training area in how to please a man.

It is not that hard to find quality women to fuck but a quality companion is something else. So yeah, you use everything you have at your disposal to get one because it is really tough. I think it is disgusting how other men will try to tell you the woman you have is a hooker is or out for money or some other way it does not count and their woman, even if she is inferior to yours, is legit. What guys here need to get is what those jealous assholes say does not matter. A woman will reflect how she feels. If she really cares about you or if she is all about the money her behavior will reflect that.

[Steve 9696]

I've seen quite a few in Sao Paolo that say they are either marriage minded or even go so far as to say if you're not looking for a monogamous marriage then don't bother contacting them.

I'm old enough to know that anything can happen but I've got to be really skeptical of someone overtly requesting this on a sugaring site. So what do you guys do? Some of their pics show that they are really desirable and I'm inclined to throw a bunch of money and time their way just to get them in the sack bit I can't help but think it may be futile. Thoughts? Experiences?

Don't have direct experience but two thoughts.

Monogamous and Brasileira don't go in the same sentence. Brasileiras esp the pretty ones are going to have multiple lovers. Two girls I "dated" got engaged a month or two after we fucked. So that should tell you something.

I'the go at it honestly. And say "I know you are looking for long term and I respect that. But in the meantime I think we might have a lot of fun. " Something like that. I've def had some convos this way.

[FilthyBeaver]

I've seen quite a few in Sao Paolo that say they are either marriage minded or even go so far as to say if you're not looking for a monogamous marriage then don't bother contacting them.

I'm old enough to know that anything can happen but I've got to be really skeptical of someone overtly requesting this on a sugaring site. So what do you guys do? Some of their pics show that they are really desirable and I'm inclined to throw a bunch of money and time their way just to get them in the sack bit I can't help but think it may be futile. Thoughts? Experiences?

[DramaFree11]

Elvis, I read your recent post on Bogota. I never understand why the guys that like the street girls get, so upset about SA. I do not remember any of us not telling guys not to hook up with street girls, unless they provoke us or make fun us. Honestly, I think it is the opposite we say you should you all the resources. (On-line, Escorts, Dating Apps, Day Game, Friends, hell whatever works use it).

Honestly, I think it is the opposite we suggested guys to hand out cards, and meet girls on the street. I also, talked about how my Italian Friends in Ukraine and Russia were all about the day game. They would spend hours trying to meet girls on the street, at restaurants and gyms. It was amazing to watch, and many had success, but in the end most ended up paying one way or another.

I do not care how much someone pays or how they get girls. As long as they give decent information, I would l will never say a word. Now, there are guys in Colombia and Ukraine that blatantly lie. Both places you can get hurt if you make a bad decision.

[AmericanPi]

This part hit me the most. Rich men will marry a 6 or 7 that's presentable, intelligent, loyal. Then rendezvous with 8-10's on the side. Yet the 6-7 you courted is the most expensive liability. They get the houses, cars, 100 k+ wedding, and in some countries alimony. Seeking is quite cheap; all things considered, both in time and money.

I think about this a lot. I'm married to a 5. I know I could divorce and find an 8 to bang.

But I also know my wife is an intellectual equal. I might not find her super attractive but we have long engaging conversations and she is well read and highly educated.

I am just barely mature enough to know that is hard to replace. It makes her a high value woman.

I ama also just immature enough to always need young fresh women in bed with me. The kind I stare at at the mall and then want to peel the clothes off of. And do through seeking.

And so here I am in the cycle. Just like that.

[CCRider1008]

I am in contact with a drop dead gorgeous 21 year old and she says she can't wait to be with me etc, I did do a good job of flirting with her for sure, but I can't help just thinking this seems a little too easy and wondering if I'm being setup.

For the record, she has sent me selifes, voice messages, and I'm on her instagram, and everything there looks solid.

The other thing is I messaged her once on SA and she gave me her whatsapp. I then tried to talk to her again a couple weeks later, and her whatsapp number had changed. Could that be a red flag?

Highly probable. Like Steve has articulated using SA like sites requires some work, experience navigating the bullshit and tactful yet clear communication. SA used to be a gold mine for GFE experiences with little scamming. Now it's a mix of scammers, time wasters and a few girls who are down and understand what the site if for from a man's perspective. Many girls at least in US buy into the naivety that men on the site will pay for conversation and company only. While that's part of it, I mean come -- WTF. Personally, I don't use it anymore. Don't find it be worth the time or time or reliability.

[VulcanSx]

The truth is the more socially acceptable the pussy is the more it costs. Wives cost the most, and street walkers cost the least and picking up "regular women" at bars is more emotionally and financially costly than having a SB. You are going to strike out a helluva lot more at a bar than with a SB no matter who you are.

This part hit me the most. Rich men will marry a 6 or 7 that's presentable, intelligent, loyal. Then rendezvous with 8-10's on the side. Yet the 6-7 you courted is the most expensive liability. They get the houses, cars, 100 k+ wedding, and in some countries alimony. Seeking is quite cheap; all things considered, both in time and money.

[AmericanPi]

Most of us were thinking it. Somebody had to say it. Thank you.

Frankly, I have lost track of this "debate".

Here is my simple approach:

Want a relationship, lasting as long into the future that I cannot predict? I will go to regular dating.

Want a fuck that doesn't feel like a whole girl (although technically it is), and allows me to live a fantasy life for however long it lasts. I go to SA.

I simply don't see the point in comparing and trying to draw parallels (or opposites) between the two worlds. One is real life other is fantasy life. Call it I have MPD. Who cares?

Now, anyone had a good bang off seeking of late? Please post.