Seeking Arrangements

[Elvis 2008]

She's UK so like FB says prob not a big deal. But just the same I sent her money for the ticket and had her book it rather than me being on the record flying a foreigner to US (I've done it to other countries but US are such puritanical Jesus freaks didn't want to take any chances).

That is a good move Steve. It would be harder for someone to say you violated the Mann Act.

I know she adores me so I took a page out of GFEfans (and Elvis) playbook and went for the no pay play. I told her tickets are expensive so I couldn't give you allowance and she said no problem. She's fine just being my GF. Sweet. I will prob give her 100-200/ day to cover food and transport since I'm going to be busy. But super nice to know she will see me for free. BB no less.

I responded to a post with Miami Boy where I seemingly contradicted myself because there have been men's rights groups saying if your wife does not put out sexually, and you are the provider, you should leave your wife, and I agree with that. So I think it is important to let wifey know no sex means no money and no marriage.

But OTOH, I am saying try not to offer any money up front. To me, when the woman sees you without a price, it signifies she is interested in you and a long term relationship and is willing to give you a free sample to draw you in. Once a woman draws me in and I care about her, then I am going to want to financially take care of her. I also feel like I am helping and giving to someone who appreciates me versus some hooker who could care less about me and vice versa. And because I am giving money to someone I care about and feel good doing so, those women inevitably get more out of me than the cold hearted snake with a price.

One of the reasons I had sugar babies is that for some reason so many women think after three or so months that they do not have to put out. I saw this again and again so I kept sugar babies and if there was no sex, there was no $. It was not just no sex, but it was do I really want to be with someone if I have to ask for or demand sex from them? I thought and still think if a woman does not make having sex with her man a priority, then he is not a priority to her.

So the goal IMO is that she gives you sex because she cares about you, and you give her $ because you care about her.

One of the men's rights guys, Rich Cooper, researched the subject and said that desire from women in a marriage goes down much more quickly than with men. Once I heard that, I was like, "Fine, fuck it, I will just have sugar babies" and then I found a woman who likes sex as much if not more than I do. Life is so weird that way.

[Steve 9696]

I'm from the UK and use Seeking. It's great over here. So is there a reason you chose someone thousands of miles away v a local in the USA? And have you actually met her before you paid to fly her out. Isn't that risky? Never done that myself.

I would never ever fly someone I haven't met. We met about a year ago and spent the weekend together in London. Then flew her to the Mediterranean for a week. Then lost touch for 9 months. Then rekindled a few weeks back in London. So we have a bit of an ongoing thing. Plenty of girls in the states I coulda flown in, including my GF, but Sarah was really jazzed and we were taking the London momentum forward.

Whereas I won't fly a girl I don't know I am pretty ballsy about flying girls I have only known a few hours. It backfired once but has generally been great. Here's what I recall. First number is how many HOURs we had known each other before I flew her someplace. These all were amazing.

Thifany 5 - Brazil to London (crazy!

Alexa 7 - La Vegas to Miami.

Mika 6- Philly to Dallas.

Sarah 32 - London to Mallorca.

Dayana 3 - Madrid to Athens.

I feel like once you vibe you vibe. So far so good, save one fail in 2019.

[Rkumyah9823]

Since free members are only allowed 10 messages is it worth the time to message non premium members as they might not be able to reply to you. What is the best way rj go about this?

[AmericanPi]

Interesting post. I've only ever done BB once with a Seeking girl bc I'm a bit paranoid about STIs etc. Being honest, how many girls from Seeking have you done BB with and did you ever catch anything? I really love the BB experience bc cumming with a condom is becoming increasingly difficult, and I'd never do BB with an escort (not that they offer) but with the normal Seeking girls it's really tempting.

With all respect, you are playing with fire.

This idea that city girls are just innocent college students who need a helping hand is nonsense. Those are out there. I've met a few. But I'm also really good conversationalist. Interviewing is an important part of my job. I'm telling you from experience, by the time a girl gets to the point that she's accepting money for sex, it's far from the first risky. Thing she's done. If you want to have an internal chuckle, ask the girls politely how much experience they have on the site and marvel at how many of them will tell you you are the first or second one, or that apart from a long-term relationship that ended, you are the first. At this point I just ask because I want to confirm I will be lied to.

And it's fine. I lie too. To mask myself. Its all a fiction.

Anyways, you're playing with fire. Some diseases are forever. And they're out there in big numbers. And for obvious reasons, the proportion is much higher amongst this population. If they're bare backing with you, have a little bit of humility, and realize that you are not the first one to ask or receive. And if the kind of people who ask for that are by definition, engaging in risky behavior, and are more likely to have forever gifts to give.

[JonnySutton]

Yep. It's a tough go. But so worth it once you find the gem in the pile of bullshit. Never done Frankfurt tho on Seeking. What other geographies have you tried?

Its not surprising half dont reply. Thats standard even for experienced guys. Its a number game. U gotta be on all the time and working it.

P.S. How's your text game? Are u Reasonably non objectionable and fit? Do u end every interaction with a question to keep the game flowing? Where do you think the drop off is?

50% is my experience too, but with so so many girls to choose from on Seeking in places like London, Paris, Berlin, it doesn't matter, I'm only looking for one at a time. Never takes more than 10 days to line up a few meet and greets and go with one awesome girl. Usual ppm is 300-400 Euro / GBP, sometimes no ppm is even requested. Dates are min 4 hours and I choose women I want to get to know not just fuck.

[JonnySutton]

Agree with the point of view.

A different dynamic when there comes a certain trust element and bareback comes in to play. I have a couple regular escorts with whom I have great chemistry and go see them just to see them. But never went bareback.

With seeking girls, those that are next door girl types, barebacking is what I pay the pemium for.

Even better if CIP / CIM are thrown in to the mix.

You know. Showering together, she puts soap on me, I on her, junior is ready, she is wet. I don't have to look for condoms. Slide it in and fuck in the shower.

I was with a 9 (will add pic later) in Spain. Seafacing balcony, we both enjoying some rose, things heat up, she is playing with my dick and then settles between my legs. While I am still on the lounge, gives me a fabulous blowjob, and says "You are so hard. I want this inside me" and goes on to straddle me (still in the same position), lifts her skirt, pushes her panty yo side, takes me all the way in. Rides me till I cum inside her, collapses on me with heavy breathing (I'm sucking her nipples), and then, with the dick still inside we go "cheers" and drink wine.

That is what I pay the premium for. When I say premium. These are 300 EUR over night girls.

Interesting post. I've only ever done BB once with a Seeking girl bc I'm a bit paranoid about STIs etc. Being honest, how many girls from Seeking have you done BB with and did you ever catch anything? I really love the BB experience bc cumming with a condom is becoming increasingly difficult, and I'd never do BB with an escort (not that they offer) but with the normal Seeking girls it's really tempting.

[JonnySutton]

Very timely discussion as I just sealed the deal to fly my UK SA girlfriend to US this morning! I am with you GFE about being a little paranoid. She's UK so like FB says prob not a big deal. But just the same I sent her money for the ticket and had her book it rather than me being on the record flying a foreigner to US (I've done it to other countries but US are such puritanical Jesus freaks didn't want to take any chances).

I know she adores me so I took a page out of GFEfans (and Elvis) playbook and went for the no pay play. I told her tickets are expensive so I couldn't give you allowance and she said no problem. She's fine just being my GF. Sweet. I will prob give her 100-200/ day to cover food and transport since I'm going to be busy. But super nice to know she will see me for free. BB no less.

I'm from the UK and use Seeking. It's great over here. So is there a reason you chose someone thousands of miles away v a local in the USA? And have you actually met her before you paid to fly her out. Isn't that risky? Never done that myself.

[The Cane]

This one woman from Bogota mentioned in her profile that she doesn't go on dates for free. I assumed this was just her being coy meaning she doesn't have sex for free, but nope, when I messaged her, it was clear she wanted me to pay just to see her without any talk of going back to my apartment. I left her last message on unread. If she was being this ridiculous before we even met, I already knew it would be a bad experience where she's asking for an excessive amount. Besides, she doesn't speak English and my Spanish is lacking, so what the fuck would be the point? I have no problem conversing through translation apps, but I'm not paying for conversation.

Today as I was unsharing my private photos with the women I didn't go through with, I noticed she deleted that part from her profile. Guess she couldn't find an easy mark to pay for her the privilege of her shitty company.

I was thinking back the other day on some of the funny exchanges I had on Seeking. I remember one woman saying to me that I couldn't afford her. I thought, "Now isn't this some bullshit? Here she is with her panties down and hand out talking about what somebody else can and cannot afford"! LOLOLOL! I mean these American women with their "platinum pussy" and "golden asshole" attitudes! By the way, anybody seen the new main page yet? Shit makes me literally laugh out loud LOL! So, that's how it works huh? Please LMAO!

[FilthyBeaver]

As I've said before, I never agree to pay for a first meeting. I've also found that most of the girls who ask for such a thing don't last long. They either delete their profiles altogether or go inactive. The thought of paying a girl for her time is laughable, my time is far more valuable than hers and she has way more to lose than I do (a regular reliable SD). Frankly if they don't know that or can't figure it out, they are going to be way to dull to have anything other than a sexual relationship with and I want a little more than that. I'm not remotely misogynistic though this post may have come across that way.

The other type that amuses me is they ask "what are you offering?" Within the first few messages. I'm not offering shit until I know I stand to be in a room with you for more than 10 min. These are prostitutes that have convinced themselves they're not prostitutes. BTW I have no issue with them, used them plenty of times but that's not why I pay almost 300/ mo to meet these girls. My best relationships have all been ones where money was discussed after we decided we didn't weird each other out (in person).

This one woman from Bogota mentioned in her profile that she doesn't go on dates for free. I assumed this was just her being coy meaning she doesn't have sex for free, but nope, when I messaged her, it was clear she wanted me to pay just to see her without any talk of going back to my apartment. I left her last message on unread. If she was being this ridiculous before we even met, I already knew it would be a bad experience where she's asking for an excessive amount. Besides, she doesn't speak English and my Spanish is lacking, so what the fuck would be the point? I have no problem conversing through translation apps, but I'm not paying for conversation.

Today as I was unsharing my private photos with the women I didn't go through with, I noticed she deleted that part from her profile. Guess she couldn't find an easy mark to pay for her the privilege of her shitty company.

[Gfefan]

Sweet.

Yeah, most of them say "yes" when there is a chemistry going on and positioned appropriately. Saves money for us, gives experience to them, and a great company for each other both in and outside bedroom. Win-win all around.

(some of them will otherwise never get to see the places I took them to. Meaning not fancy places but out of beaten path places such as a hiking place in Switzerland.).

I know she adores me so I took a page out of GFEfans (and Elvis) playbook and went for the no pay play. I told her tickets are expensive so I couldn't give you allowance and she said no problem. She's fine just being my GF. Sweet. I will prob give her 100-200/ day to cover food and transport since I'm going to be busy. But super nice to know she will see me for free. BB no less.

[Voodoo Jones]

This one woman from Bogota mentioned in her profile that she doesn't go on dates for free. I assumed this was just her being coy meaning she doesn't have sex for free, but nope, when I messaged her, it was clear she wanted me to pay just to see her without any talk of going back to my apartment. I left her last message on unread. If she was being this ridiculous before we even met, I already knew it would be a bad experience where she's asking for an excessive amount. Besides, she doesn't speak English and my Spanish is lacking, so what the fuck would be the point? I have no problem conversing through translation apps, but I'm not paying for conversation.

Today as I was unsharing my private photos with the women I didn't go through with, I noticed she deleted that part from her profile. Guess she couldn't find an easy mark to pay for her the privilege of her shitty company.

[DevSagar]

I traveled to Budapest and Prague in 2019. Yes, I did bang one chick in Budapest during my stay there as I was there for an international conference. Her allowance was 200 Euro for a 4/5 hour meet. She was around 35. I liked her pic and started chatting with her around 2 weeks before my arrival. It was a very nice experience with her and we were in touch before she got married and shifted to another European country. I also met a chick in Starbucks over a coffee date early morning before she went for college. She was a student from Georgia doing masters in Budapest University. Slim, trim, beautiful and good knowledge of English but couldn't get her laid as our schedules didn't align.

The SA scene is very much active and vibrant in Budapest. I had plans to go again before this pandemic screwed all plans.

Regards.

Anyone done sugaring in Budapest? It seems like it's thin out there on SA and I can't seem to get a payment thru on what seems like a local variant Punc.

Anyone had any luck or tips to penetrate the sugar trade there? .

[Steve 9696]

Yes, expensive US coastal city. She didn't need a visa but the second part of your question is easy. They cut a lot of slack to Schengen countries, especially a rich one like Germany. She can tell them she's coming to see her boyfriend that she met in FRA.

I think you're being paranoid, if they are from a developed / wealthy country with a high standard of living they won't have problems. If you educate yourself on the laws which are all on the dhs website they even tell you want strategies will work within the confines of existing law. E. g. Did you know that if you don't want to wait for a fiance to bring a girl here she can come in as a tourist (with some hopes to jump through. You go to the courthouse, get married and immediately change her status from tourist to permanent resident and it is 100% legal. If you just want to bang a hot 20 yr old with no assets or job and in a less developed country you'll have problems but insurmountable.

Very timely discussion as I just sealed the deal to fly my UK SA girlfriend to US this morning! I am with you GFE about being a little paranoid. She's UK so like FB says prob not a big deal. But just the same I sent her money for the ticket and had her book it rather than me being on the record flying a foreigner to US (I've done it to other countries but US are such puritanical Jesus freaks didn't want to take any chances).

I know she adores me so I took a page out of GFEfans (and Elvis) playbook and went for the no pay play. I told her tickets are expensive so I couldn't give you allowance and she said no problem. She's fine just being my GF. Sweet. I will prob give her 100-200/ day to cover food and transport since I'm going to be busy. But super nice to know she will see me for free. BB no less.

[FilthyBeaver]

Yes, expensive US coastal city. She didn't need a visa but the second part of your question is easy. They cut a lot of slack to Schengen countries, especially a rich one like Germany. She can tell them she's coming to see her boyfriend that she met in FRA.

I think you're being paranoid, if they are from a developed / wealthy country with a high standard of living they won't have problems. If you educate yourself on the laws which are all on the dhs website they even tell you want strategies will work within the confines of existing law. E. g. Did you know that if you don't want to wait for a fiance to bring a girl here she can come in as a tourist (with some hopes to jump through. You go to the courthouse, get married and immediately change her status from tourist to permanent resident and it is 100% legal. If you just want to bang a hot 20 yr old with no assets or job and in a less developed country you'll have problems but insurmountable.

Not intending to poke here. Please don't feel compelled to answer.

"Joining me at home" = Joining in US? If yes, how do you manage / coach her on "purpose of visit" at entry?

My favorite regulars are in Europe and I am not flying them here just being cautious. Have always wondered if I am being paranoid or cautious.

[FilthyBeaver]

But I'll also add then when we were together it was always fireworks, beautiful girl, never ran out if stuff to talk about (both of us) and we'd blab for hours. I ended up chasing her away and I was overcome with emotion and heartbroken for several months. Cost me a very expensive car, almost my life, and a bottle of Glenfidich Gran Cru. Not the proudest moment in my like but it was as real as it gets with someone and I was devastated. I'm still punishing myself for loosing her. And she's the only reason I keep returning to the site but it's futile she was one of a kind for me.

I like this idea. Mirror their behavior is what you are saying essentially.