Seeking Arrangements

[MiamiBoy1]

Not getting many responses on sa and when I have they've flaked or ghosted meet ups. I'm wondering if I should start saying I'm visiting for a few days and see if I get better results since I've had better luck traveling.

I'm also wondering if anyone else has noticed a sweet spot for sa with the number of profiles. In the two cities I've had success in there are about 3-4 k sa profiles that match my search (age and height). But where I'm based there's over 10 k. Unlike some others I didn't have any luck in London where there was also over 10 k profiles. It would make sense to me that there are more guys in those areas too so girls are shopping for the best offers.

What really matters is the response and conversion rates. In some cities you can find 5 k-10 k profiles, which seems like a lot, but what % are doable? And what % will actually respond to your message and provide WhatsApp number? And obviously, the conversion rate, or the number of girls scored, is even lower. What I have noticed is that my response rate is way down from what it was a few years ago. And honestly, I can't think of a possible solution to this issue. There is a lot of competition out there, hot girls are getting tons of messages every day, no wonder my messages are getting lost in the pile. I just renewed my membership a couple of days ago, messaged all the girls that I wanted to message (maybe around 20 or so), 2 days later only 2 replies (1 of which quoted me crazy number). This shit makes me think about quitting, because the app has turned into a tinder, where the quality is trash, plus plenty of scam, thieves, etc. BTW, I only message girls that are online or have been active recently, to increase my odds. But most of my messages either go unread, or read but not replied to. I guess they want to see some crazy amount of $ in my opening message that would spark their interest.

[Midwestern]

Eventually, I may grow to give $ before deed. Like my best SB ever in Spain. Last month, she got into some trouble on her bills. I sent her money for the whole bill even from the US. She is the one who refuses to take money from me. Those kind of girls, Ingo to help. But, they got to earn my trust first.

The less demanding and cajoling for money they are, the more generous I am to them. For the ones that are always asking for more, in the long run, I guess this strategy works out for them, but it won't work on me.

[Midwestern]

What age do most of you search for or seek? Early 20's seem to flake more to me. Late 20's early 30's seem the sweet spot for me.

I had some success with early 20's, but it was very rare. And they do flake a lot. Plus, when I did meet the early 20's gals, we had nothing to talk about because we had nothing in common. And so, if I want a pro and just want to do the deed with a hot chick, then younger is better. But if I want an arrangement with a pretend GF, then late 20's and 30's works for me, as we will have more to talk about when we are not doing the deed. I currently have two arrangments. One is 26 and the other is mid 40's. The lucky thing about the mid 40's gal is that she hit menopause this year. And so I have been able to BB CIP with her.

[Gfefan]

I did pay 200 for her tires.

Thats the fee I paid early on in the game to learn the most important lesson -.

"No feelings on SA". Meet check chemistry, if yes, fuck. If fuck is great, repeat.

My cap is 300 in europe and 400 in US. Other expenses on me.

No more busines of money before fuck.

"Dick in pussy, then cash in purse. " Eventually, I may grow to give $ before deed. Like my best SB ever in Spain. Last month, she got into some trouble on her bills. I sent her money for the whole bill even from the US. She is the one who refuses to take money from me. Those kind of girls, Ingo to help. But, they got to earn my trust first.

So you didn't pay for the tires I hope? I have no room to talk about blowing a lot of money on my other SA fail but at least I did get to fuck her the first time (then fell way too hard for her) met the second time in LOS cabos and first night was good and had a condom issue which resulted in her taking a plan be and she was shitty the rest of the time. I didn't think she needed it but she acted like no big deal until she was weird the whole rest of the trip. Anyways I don't even care to think of the money I spent on her but such is life. I really actually loved that girl more than any GF or SA girl ever.

[GoingDumb]

Lmfao. How much do you filter? I always find it interesting what other guys seek. I don't set any filters other than age 18-40 and then scroll thru pics and see lots of cities with 3 k-10 k.

What age do most of you search for or seek? Early 20's seem to flake more to me. Late 20's early 30's seem the sweet spot for me.

At home I usually do 18-29,20 miles, max height 5'7, and unviewed so I don't waste time with ones I've messaged.

[BlueMoon22]

10,000?! What are you filtering for, a pulse?! I've only seen like 5 cities that have that kind of volume. La Ny London and cdmx. And it's not 10 k. It's like 300 after you filter and even then it's like 150 that have been active recently.

I'm struggling to find more cities like those because I am kinda tired of visiting them. I almost emailed Seeking to ask what their biggest membership cities were and then thought nah, getting on their radar isn't a good idea.

Lmfao. How much do you filter? I always find it interesting what other guys seek. I don't set any filters other than age 18-40 and then scroll thru pics and see lots of cities with 3 k-10 k.

What age do most of you search for or seek? Early 20's seem to flake more to me. Late 20's early 30's seem the sweet spot for me.

[AmericanPi]

Not getting many responses on sa and when I have they've flaked or ghosted meet ups. I'm wondering if I should start saying I'm visiting for a few days and see if I get better results since I've had better luck traveling.

I'm also wondering if anyone else has noticed a sweet spot for sa with the number of profiles. In the two cities I've had success in there are about 3-4 k sa profiles that match my search (age and height). But where I'm based there's over 10 k. Unlike some others I didn't have any luck in London where there was also over 10 k profiles. It would make sense to me that there are more guys in those areas too so girls are shopping for the best offers.

10,000?! What are you filtering for, a pulse?! I've only seen like 5 cities that have that kind of volume. La Ny London and cdmx. And it's not 10 k. It's like 300 after you filter and even then it's like 150 that have been active recently.

I'm struggling to find more cities like those because I am kinda tired of visiting them. I almost emailed Seeking to ask what their biggest membership cities were and then thought nah, getting on their radar isn't a good idea.

[BlueMoon22]

Not getting many responses on sa and when I have they've flaked or ghosted meet ups. I'm wondering if I should start saying I'm visiting for a few days and see if I get better results since I've had better luck traveling.

I'm also wondering if anyone else has noticed a sweet spot for sa with the number of profiles. In the two cities I've had success in there are about 3-4 k sa profiles that match my search (age and height). But where I'm based there's over 10 k. Unlike some others I didn't have any luck in London where there was also over 10 k profiles. It would make sense to me that there are more guys in those areas too so girls are shopping for the best offers.

Outside of my last encounter I'd say SA is easy and it was my fault not doing enough ops and having some good talks / chats with her before. 3-4 k that match age and height? What do you set for height? I've never bothered to set a height requirement. 10 k should be super easy as I've had good luck with only 500 matches in some cities. 10 k? Like fish in a barrel and usually get messages first. I'm sitting on about 300 unopened messages. Send me a PM if you want to discuss your profile and how you approach it. I'm not an expert but have learned a lot from Steve and like to pass on any knowledge I can.

[BlueMoon22]

No. I did not dish money.

First meet and greet. Went great. And, we had agreed previously that even if we had chemistry, no time to fuck that night because of her work. So we met, we had a great dinner. I picked up tab.

A week later. First mistake. I set up a Saturday Brunch. Wanted a lazy afternoon fuck. Second mistake, at brunch gave into her drama of car tires needing replacement. She was heading to workshop, pick up car and drive to me. Apologizes later that afternoon that she got stuck.

Following week. Starts talking monthly allowance of 2000 EUR. Politely but firmly refused. You first got to let me fuck you. Then, ppm. Cardinal rule.

Then, few weeks of messages, random asks for "hey, I got stuck here. Could you help blah. Blah". I did not budge. Cock in pussy, money in purse.

Then, went out of touch.

This last Europe trip, she messages me from a different profile. She recognizes me and wants to meet again.

I said "sweetie, happy to if we agree to take to bedroom. And, BTW, I will adjust for the damn 200 I paid you 3 years ago". She went quiet.

I met my Sports superstar.

So you didn't pay for the tires I hope? I have no room to talk about blowing a lot of money on my other SA fail but at least I did get to fuck her the first time (then fell way too hard for her) met the second time in LOS cabos and first night was good and had a condom issue which resulted in her taking a plan be and she was shitty the rest of the time. I didn't think she needed it but she acted like no big deal until she was weird the whole rest of the trip. Anyways I don't even care to think of the money I spent on her but such is life. I really actually loved that girl more than any GF or SA girl ever.

[Intelligencium]

I know we all differ culturally and some countries have this practice of passing around girls like they are poker chips or something. They are not. Most of the guys on this Seeking thread are after real girls with connection. And at the very least have done a shit ton of work separating the bad from the good. So of course each to his own but I suggest you do the work like the rest of us and get on Seeking and invest some time.

Huge +1. Sorry boys, I am not going to share the profiles. Apart from what Steve already said, there are few more selfish aspects: I don't want you to (by mistake) tell them that I talked about them here. Some of them likely know my real name / identity even if they never told me that they know (its easy to find out if you travel together or stay together for multiple days). And some of them I want to meet again.

Cheers,

Ravi.

[Intelligencium]

Good luck friends.

That sucks man. Especially because you drove so much to meet her, and she even showed up. My guess is that she is new to the game and is a bit spooked. She feels comfortable selling nudes and didn't really want to do something real (not virtual), agreed for some reason, but finally chickened out. Definitely sucks for you, but I also feel for these women. Fucking life.

[GoingDumb]

Not getting many responses on sa and when I have they've flaked or ghosted meet ups. I'm wondering if I should start saying I'm visiting for a few days and see if I get better results since I've had better luck traveling.

I'm also wondering if anyone else has noticed a sweet spot for sa with the number of profiles. In the two cities I've had success in there are about 3-4 k sa profiles that match my search (age and height). But where I'm based there's over 10 k. Unlike some others I didn't have any luck in London where there was also over 10 k profiles. It would make sense to me that there are more guys in those areas too so girls are shopping for the best offers.

[Gfefan]

No. I did not dish money.

First meet and greet. Went great. And, we had agreed previously that even if we had chemistry, no time to fuck that night because of her work. So we met, we had a great dinner. I picked up tab.

A week later. First mistake. I set up a Saturday Brunch. Wanted a lazy afternoon fuck. Second mistake, at brunch gave into her drama of car tires needing replacement. She was heading to workshop, pick up car and drive to me. Apologizes later that afternoon that she got stuck.

Following week. Starts talking monthly allowance of 2000 EUR. Politely but firmly refused. You first got to let me fuck you. Then, ppm. Cardinal rule.

Then, few weeks of messages, random asks for "hey, I got stuck here. Could you help blah. Blah". I did not budge. Cock in pussy, money in purse.

Then, went out of touch.

This last Europe trip, she messages me from a different profile. She recognizes me and wants to meet again.

I said "sweetie, happy to if we agree to take to bedroom. And, BTW, I will adjust for the damn 200 I paid you 3 years ago". She went quiet.

I met my Sports superstar.

She may or may not have been on drugs. I assume so with her behavior but she could also just be crazy. Either way was not a fun time and in the end glad we never did anything in bed. But yes she was super fucking hot.

Did you keep dishing her money after? And met and didn't hook up?

I'm still mind blown she asked for money this morning for groceries and didn't mention anything about last night.

[BlueMoon22]

Thanks for the story. Redflags learning.

I had one in France. Pretty similar but definitely not on drugs.

Moroccan and super hot. Gosh, I'd love to fuck her. When we have those super fuckables is when we let our judgement slip. I lost 200 EUR that day but she kept at me. That was a learning experience and since then. I can proudly say "Not a single penny wasted. In fact. I continue to have epic fucks at 300 EUR in Europe".

We all learn and grow in this trade. Thanks for sharing.

She may or may not have been on drugs. I assume so with her behavior but she could also just be crazy. Either way was not a fun time and in the end glad we never did anything in bed. But yes she was super fucking hot.

Did you keep dishing her money after? And met and didn't hook up?

I'm still mind blown she asked for money this morning for groceries and didn't mention anything about last night.

[Gfefan]

I couldn't have said this better. Thanks, Steve for holding a high standard.

I know we all differ culturally and some countries have this practice of passing around girls like they are poker chips or something. They are not. Most of the guys on this Seeking thread are after real girls with connection. And at the very least have done a shit ton of work separating the bad from the good. So of course each to his own but I suggest you do the work like the rest of us and get on Seeking and invest some time.