Seeking Arrangements

[Mono Sin Luz]

Check the Colombian board for fresh pricing, but with the COP at 4100 the exchange rate is in our favor. $80-$150 is normal for SA girls in Colombia outside of Cartagena.

Thanks, actually I was recently quoted 500 K COP by a hottie, so that's in accordance to what I was thinking and in range to what you said as well. So I will be using that as a starting negotiation. I may go a bit higher if she's just smoking hot. Anyway, thanks again.

As for the US, counter the girl as $500 is high in Atlanta. $400 is what spinners are getting here, I hit a 29 year old Latina MILF last night for $250, a very GFE as I nutted 2 x in her.

Yeah, I have the feeling that I could have offer a bit less, and also that she would have been a potential good time. However, with this coming trip to Medellin, just thinking on what I can do with $500 makes me pause.

[SeekingHead]

I'm heading to Medellin next week. I've been there before but had never used SA there.

I am already in contact with a bunch of really hot chicks. If I'm able to dril 10% of them I'll be set for life, LOL.

I'm not looking for pros, and I have had really cool SBs in the past in there places, but that was before the pandemic, so it's been a while.

The question I have is, what's a reasonable amount $ to offer in Medelland for a 20 yo hottie?

I have been reading here of folks with ranges from 250-400 EUR for Wester Europe and I was just today quoted $500 by a 25 yo in TX.

So for Medellin, would $100 be good? $150? Any recent experience, please share.

Check the Colombian board for fresh pricing, but with the COP at 4100 the exchange rate is in our favor. $80-$150 is normal for SA girls in Colombia outside of Cartagena.

As for the US, counter the girl as $500 is high in Atlanta. $400 is what spinners are getting here, I hit a 29 year old Latina MILF last night for $250, a very GFE as I nutted 2 x in her.

[Intelligencium]

This is Part 3 of my "Dating Tour" story.

Part 1 here: http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2842652.

Part 2 here: http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2844638.

My flight from US landed in Frankfurt and I decided to stay 1 night there to experience a FKK sauna club for the first time. As I said in Part 1, it was OK. It can be cheaper than SA if your goal is to fuck multiple girls in a few hours, but there is no "girlfriend experience" and I hate the upselling.

After Frankfurt, I decided to fly to Madrid the next day. My spreadsheet of potentials had 80% girls from Barcelona, but there were two hotties (think 9 or 10) that showed a lot of interest in me, so I decided to book a 3 night stay combining SA fun + tourism.

Day 1

Before reaching Madrid, I messaged all the Madrid potentials. The girl at the top of my list finally discussed money once I landed in Madrid. I knew she would be expensive, but I started the negotiation with a reasonable starting point of 300 Euros. Interestingly the next message I get from her is:

"Sorry dear, I don't think this is going to work out. I really enjoyed talking to you. Hope you meet some lovely girls here in Madrid. The city is full of them! Kisses".

I am in a bit of shock, but I prod her to tell me why. Apparently she only does long term sugar relationships, but was fine with a short term / PPM for me, but her rate is 1200 Euros per date. Shocked again, I curse the Gods and say bye to her. She was kind enough to send me a long list of "must visit" bars, pubs and restaurants, which I utilized in my later encounters. 10 minutes later I get a message from my #2 girl there. She is excited that I am finally here, but she is going abroad tomorrow for a month! At this point, I start to get worried if I made a huge mistake coming here and pre-paying for 3 nights hotel. Decided that in the worst case, I will do touristy things in the day and go to Vive in the night.

Somehow my #2 girl (let's call her Rachael) and I figure out a plan to meet. She will come to my hotel, meet me at the rooftop bar at 10 pm and we'll go from there. I told her my price (300) and she agreed. Yay, my first ever SA date. Nervous as hell, I get ready. Shave, take shower, wash every part of my body multiple times, put on the best clothes and meet her at 10 pm in the hotel lobby. She is stunning. Same as her pics, but cuter. Having never dated anyone of her caliber, I start to get worried again, but she does the standard spanish greeting (kisses on both cheeks) and my confidence is back. I know I need drinks to feel more comfortable, so I take her to the rooftop bar right away. At the bar, we drink, we talk, we flirt. She shows me pics and videos from her modeling career, which I didn't know about, so at this point I am blessing the Gods. Thank you for landing me a model on my first SA date.

At midnight the rooftop closes, so I suggest we take our drinks to my room. She says yes, so we head to my room. Room is a bit cramped (middle of Madrid), so I awkwardly sit on the bed while she sits on the chair. We talk more while finishing our drinks. I take off my shoes to get comfortable. We keep talking. 5,10,15 minutes pass by, and I am not sure how to proceed at this point. This is my first SA date, and to be honest, my first casual encounter of any kind. I don't know how to convert this nice, friendly chat to something more. So I suddenly change subject to relationships hoping to direct that to sex somehow. She tells me she has only had one boyfriend ever, and they broke up a few months go. I stupidly say "Oh, so I am going to be your 2nd guy ever", while laughing nervously. She smiles, continues talking. I move the subject to SA, apparently I am the first guy she is meeting from the site. I finally get up from bed to stand closer to her. She finally gets the hint, gets up from her chair and gives me a nice long kiss on the lips. And then says, "I think I should go". Fuck! What the actual fuck! I ask her, "are you sure? You don't want to do anything?" She says, "no, sorry I am not in the mood".

Dejected, I wear my shoes again, get her a cab and put some cab money in her purse. On the way to the room, I start researching how to get to Vive, when after a few minutes Rachael messages me "Hey, I thought it was going to 300 Euros". Hahahahahha. I am rolling on the floor laughing. This movie should be called "Noob meets noob". I message her that the "300 is only if the date includes intimacy but you said you were not in the mood", expecting her to reply back with some expletives. She instead messages "oh I didn't know. Do you want me to come back?" I am laughing hysterically at this point. I say, "Yes, if you want" .

Long story short, she asks the cab to turn around and comes back. I meet her in the lobby, take her back to the room. She washes up, takes off all her clothes and I see a goddess body in front of me. And we fuck. Everything is all natural and a solid 9/10 face, body, boobs and booty. Sex must have been good, because even after she left on her trip, she messaged me every day (sending pics, asking me if I will come back to Madrid). I don't remember much about the sex itself because frankly it was the first one on this trip of 30 fucks. I just remember that we were exhausted, and she wanted to stay back the night, but she had to leave because she had an early morning flight.

Day 2

Done with the two girls I was looking to meet in Madrid, I get desperate and start messaging girls left and right on SA. One of the girls I had chatted once from US replies and is ready to meet. I wanted to meet at night to explore the cocktail bars the 1200 Euro girl had recommended. She is sport and is ready to meet late at night (midnight) and continue till whenever. I spend the day roaming the city. At midnight we meet at the entrance to a fancy cocktail bar and I see a 5/10 in front of me. Her face is cute, but the body is thicker than I expected. Looking back, I realized that her pics on SA are from angles that flatter her body and never show the full body. I decide to keep going. I wanted to go to the bar and didn't mind having a company. We talk. She is cuban, a pianist and apparently going to Julliard in a month. And she turns out to be an interesting person overall. The first bar sucked, and she took me to a hole in the wall cocktail bar that made amazing and ingenious cocktails. Drunk, interested in her personality and no longer caring about her looks, I decide to continue. Take her to the room, she showers and then we fuck missionary. After a break, she starts giving me a massage, ending with my cock in her mouth. Little johnny is ready for round 2 and we fuck doggy this time. 300 Euros in her purse and off she goes, while I finally get to sleep at 5 am in the morning.

Day 3

Madrid was too hot for me, so I decide to skip tourism and focused on mongering. A hottie from SA that I had chatted with before replies, I tell her I want to meet in the afternoon and she agrees for 300 Euros. I don't know why I didn't learn my lesson, but when I meet her, I realize her pics on SA are from before she had put on some weight. She turned from a solid 8/10 to a 6/10 now. I dunno why, but I decide to continue. We drink at the rooftop, come back to my room and fuck. Little man gets to CIM for the first time in his life, so he is happy. When leaving, I tell her that she has put on quite a lot of weight, so I can't pay 300 anymore and we settle at 250.

At this point I am determined to find some hottie for the night. Day 2 girl is messaging to meet again, but I am not interested. I start sending messages to girls online on SA to propose a meet tonight. One hottie responds (lets call her Monica), we move to telegram and I ask to do a video call. She passes the check. Monica asks for 400, but I negotiate it down to 300 and we meet at another rooftop bar at 10 pm. She is a solid 8/10, Colombian with small, natural perky breasts, lovely face, luscious lips, big eyes and a nice ass. We talk about our life, I learn that she is a beautician and she reprimands me for not wearing enough sunscreen. Hah! Once the rooftop closes at midnight, we go to a bar with live music. We are quite tipsy at this point, and start flirting and making out in the bar. She is wearing a top with no bra, and I am full on caressing her breasts under her top making full use of the darkness in the bar. She is turned on and we take a cab to the hotel. In the room, she washes up, and then we fuck like bunnies. I usually cum soon, but maybe because I have had 5 fucks in 3 days already, I don't cum easily this time. Which means that we tried multiple positions for a long time and exhaust each other out. This is the best sex I have ever had in my life so far. I finally cum at her favorite position: downward dog. We are tired, but she has family at home so she leaves.

Day 4

I get up before noon and ask the hotel to extend my stay by one more night. I do some tourism in the day time, but at night I miss Monica. We exchange messages, she is ready to meet me again. We both like music, so we go to two different live music bars, talk, sing, flirt, drink a lot, come back to room and fuck like bunnies again. She LOVES downward dog, but this time I can't cum in that position. We try a few more, and I finally find my favorite: edge of the bed / catapult. This time we are done by 3 am, so I am happy I will get enough sleep before the flight tomorrow to Barcelona. I sleep knowing that I again had the best sex of my life and if things don't work out in Barcelona, I can come back to Madrid again and meet her.

[Mono Sin Luz]

I'm heading to Medellin next week. I've been there before but had never used SA there.

I am already in contact with a bunch of really hot chicks. If I'm able to dril 10% of them I'll be set for life, LOL.

I'm not looking for pros, and I have had really cool SBs in the past in there places, but that was before the pandemic, so it's been a while.

The question I have is, what's a reasonable amount $ to offer in Medellíand for a 20 yo hottie?

I have been reading here of folks with ranges from 250-400 EUR for Wester Europe and I was just today quoted $500 by a 25 yo in TX.

So for Medellin, would $100 be good? $150? Any recent experience, please share.

[SeekingHead]

But what is SA?

It's the main sugar baby sight in the US & Around the world.

I have done good lately with sugar daddy meets as well, been back in the states 2 weeks & have hit 4 women between $250-350 off the site.

What is pricing like in Europe?, I'm very seriously thinking about retiring in Southern Spain & will want to have 1 main SB who I see a few times a month.

[Steve 9696]

I had an eye opening experience recently in Europe. Normal set up and agree to meet for a drink. She asks if we can go to a rooftop bar instead so I suggest the hotel one. When we're at the bar chatting she starts asking about my experience on sa. Usually it's not a great sign and I was right. She tells me she's gone on multiple trips from sa, with guys she hadn't met before. Seems pretty risky to me but w / e. Back to the room and fuck. The sex was not that memorable compared to what happened later but she had a nice ass and doggy was fun. I knew I probably wasn't going to finish since I saw a wg earlier but it's fine. Later at a restaurant she drops a few more nuggets. Tells me she's done SA a few times in the states and complains the money there is a lot better than in Europe. Also says she's on an indy escort site and did both in the US with an sa guy's permission. I'm sure you can guess what I'm thinking here. I don't say anything until she mentions that he helped her out when a guy stiffed her. I ask her about it and she says no but her face tells me otherwise. We stop talking about seeking after that. Go back to the room, fool around more with some fingering but she stops me before sex and leaves. I'm a little surprised after this experience and it's one of the few times I feel bad after meeting a girl. My sense from the other girls I saw before in Europe were they'the walk away if they didn't like a guy but this girl is straight escorting and it sounded like she'the had more negative experiences than them.

Misc thoughts:

-Have you guys given up on sa in the states at this point? I haven't done it in almost a year and just got asked for ppm 7 which is tough lol

-Tried steve's tips and shaved my balls but didn't get much of a reaction from girls. It was pretty scary lol until I got the hang of it.

-Stumbled into a new position I'll call modified steve. Kneeling next to girl's head for bj and put a pillow under since she was a little low. But by pulling the pillow I could turn her head towards me and improved it. Her hands were behind her back so might have been harder for her to move too...

Def don't give up on SA in states. Yes it's harder. I have a good friend who I was coaching on SA but now he's the master. Aside from his traveling adventures he has score md two bareback hotties in his US city. I'the say a seven and a 8 maybe. Both are passionate and multiple pops. Great stuff. It's out there!

Ps Yea the pillow seems a good idea.

[Steve 9696]

But what is SA?

You know. The point of this forum. Www.seeking.com.

[Foolish]

But what is SA?

It's the forum thread you are in. Seeking Arrangements or just Seeking. Sugar baby site.

F.

[TConor]

I love the fact that any girl around you could be on SA. Now that I am sensitized to it I am always wondering if that hot hostess or barmaid is on. Likely many are! At one point I compiled a list of occupations of girls I've been with:

College student waitress stripper customer service yoga instructor office manager receptionist care giver Med student maid law student chemist actress model admin.

They are all around you! And that's hot!

But what is SA?

[GoingDumb]

I had an eye opening experience recently in Europe. Normal set up and agree to meet for a drink. She asks if we can go to a rooftop bar instead so I suggest the hotel one. When we're at the bar chatting she starts asking about my experience on sa. Usually it's not a great sign and I was right. She tells me she's gone on multiple trips from sa, with guys she hadn't met before. Seems pretty risky to me but w / e. Back to the room and fuck. The sex was not that memorable compared to what happened later but she had a nice ass and doggy was fun. I knew I probably wasn't going to finish since I saw a wg earlier but it's fine. Later at a restaurant she drops a few more nuggets. Tells me she's done SA a few times in the states and complains the money there is a lot better than in Europe. Also says she's on an indy escort site and did both in the US with an sa guy's permission. I'm sure you can guess what I'm thinking here. I don't say anything until she mentions that he helped her out when a guy stiffed her. I ask her about it and she says no but her face tells me otherwise. We stop talking about seeking after that. Go back to the room, fool around more with some fingering but she stops me before sex and leaves. I'm a little surprised after this experience and it's one of the few times I feel bad after meeting a girl. My sense from the other girls I saw before in Europe were they'the walk away if they didn't like a guy but this girl is straight escorting and it sounded like she'the had more negative experiences than them.

Misc thoughts:

-Have you guys given up on sa in the states at this point? I haven't done it in almost a year and just got asked for ppm 7 which is tough lol

-Tried steve's tips and shaved my balls but didn't get much of a reaction from girls. It was pretty scary lol until I got the hang of it.

-Stumbled into a new position I'll call modified steve. Kneeling next to girl's head for bj and put a pillow under since she was a little low. But by pulling the pillow I could turn her head towards me and improved it. Her hands were behind her back so might have been harder for her to move too...

[The Cane]

I don't think it's always about money for these girls. A friend of mine owns a very large construction business, he's loaded. Both of his young HOT daughters work for him and they are paid quite well and he has bought them both homes and cars etc. ,they are not in need of money for certain. Last year I found one of the daughters on Seeking.

Some do it for the same reason some guys do it. They're bored and seeking not just an arrangement but a little adventure as well.

[Manizales911]

I love the fact that any girl around you could be on SA. Now that I am sensitized to it I am always wondering if that hot hostess or barmaid is on. Likely many are! At one point I compiled a list of occupations of girls I've been with:

College student waitress stripper customer service yoga instructor office manager receptionist care giver Med student maid law student chemist actress model admin.

They are all around you! And that's hot!

I don't think it's always about money for these girls. A friend of mine owns a very large construction business, he's loaded. Both of his young HOT daughters work for him and they are paid quite well and he has bought them both homes and cars etc. ,they are not in need of money for certain. Last year I found one of the daughters on Seeking.

[AmericanPi]

As a one shot guy I am so jealous reading this LOL. Any advice?

This is me too. When I do a new SA girl (basically all since I rarely repeat) my usual schedule is.

- early dinner which I say I like to avoid crowds but really it's so I can maximize bone time.

- first bone by 9 pm.

- second bone which I'm still excited for by like 10,1030.

- wind down, sleep by 1130,12.

- wake them up for sex around 3. They usually don't love that. It's my mid night alcohol wood.

- wake up early, like 6-7 as I always do. Wake them up for sex.

- then they usually leave. I sometimes get a 5th in.

But this all comes at a cost. I can't go 1-2 hours like some of you blokes. My typical session after the first one is like 10 minutes max. The mid night ones can be like 5 min and I have to concentrate to get it to finish line. At that hour it's mostly about getting my moneys worth. There's a sick part of me that loves the fact a girl thinks I'm paying 600 dollars or euros to bang her once before we sleep, but that I'll actually be counting notches all night. There, I said it.

[Intelligencium]

I just came back from a Sugar Dating Tour (20 days) to Spain and it was the most fun I have ever had in my whole life!

This is Part 2 of my "Dating Tour" story. Part 1 was here: http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...652&viewfull=1#post2842652.

I am in my 40's, in a complicated relationship situation, and had a chance to do a solo Europe trip this summer. So I started looking into mongering options and found out about SA / seeking when going through Barcelona ISG forum. After reading some excellent reports (and tips) from Steve and Gfefan here, I decided to take the plunge and paid for seeking account approx 2 months before my trip.

I come from a fairly conservative society and did not get a chance to date many women since dating was not normal there. So my goal was clear: meet, date and fuck as many women as possible in this Europe trip and that's how I approached it. I spent hours (during and after work) on seeking, telegram and WhatsApp chatting with the women I could potentially meet there. The flirty chats added to the fun, to be honest. Made the girls also give me recommendations on where to stay etc. Did not talk about money, although we did talk about what a "sugar relationship" is, so that the nature of our meet was clear to them. At least two of them expressed interest in spending a lot of time with me. Although that was not what I was going for, I didn't discourage it and let it play out. One girl used to send me pics and ideas of places where we can go and random stuff from her daily life. It was cute and helpful since we hit it off immediately when we finally met and fucked thrice the first day.

Also made a spreadsheet, assigned hotness, connection and probability of meeting scores to rank the prospects.

Closer to the trip dates, I had a couple of video or audio calls with prospects to prove to them that I am real + serious and also find out if they are real. Also bought new clothes and learned a bit: about the culture, the language and the fashion. Tip: Even in the hottest of the heat, men don't wear flip-flops in Spain unless they are going to the beach.

Initially I was planning a whirlwind tour of Europe going to Spain, Italy, Germany, Prague and Amsterdam. But going through SA, I decided to start my trip in Spain and keep it flexible to either end up spending all the time there or fly to other places. The number of potentials in Spain is far greater than any other non-UK country in Europe. So stick with Spain.

Few other tid-bits:

- packed light so that I never had to check-in luggage. But had to get clothes washed once after 10 days or so.

- stayed in high-end / 5-star hotels and no-one ever bothered me about taking new girls every day to my room. Added benefit of impressing the girls with rooftop bars (most 5-star hotels would have them). The rooftops close at midnight though, which can be good or bad depending on your plan.

- I took a wad of Euros from US to Europe. In hindsight, it wasn't necessary since ATMs are everywhere and most of my cards had a limit of $500/ day (less than PPM in most cases) if you can stomach the ATM fees ($5-7 per transaction). Always elect to have conversion handled by your bank and not the ATM.

- always met the girls in the hotel lobby or just outside the hotel entrance since most hotels needed key card to operate the elevator.

[Intelligencium]

I love the fact that any girl around you could be on SA. Now that I am sensitized to it I am always wondering if that hot hostess or barmaid is on. Likely many are! At one point I compiled a list of occupations of girls I've been with:

College student waitress stripper customer service yoga instructor office manager receptionist care giver Med student maid law student chemist actress model admin.

They are all around you! And that's hot!

My compilation so far:

- lawyer (s).

- pianist.

- model (s).

- beautician.

- fashion designer.

- waitress.

- air hostess.

- marketing manager.

I was particularly surprised about the lawyers. Apparently the middle of the pack lawyers in Europe don't make much money: