Seeking Arrangements

[Clone8884]

Glad to see you were persistent but I think budget is the issue. Not going to find too many hotties going to take 200 in the western euro countries. Doing good if you get them at 300 IMO. 200 doesn't get you far.

Yes I know my budget is low and I am fine with it. I had been sleeping with women at hostels so seeking was kind of on the back burner. I have upped my game big IRL the last few years and have been paying for it less and less.

However I plan on visiting Colombia soon and want to find some nice girls, either on seeking, dating apps or IRL.

[LshRoomer]

Never dipped toe in Madrid but sounds right.

Barcelona is where I found my all time favorite. And, yes, percentage fuckable was higher. I also had one in Tarragona that was amazing. She looked like Alexis Crystal (who I rate 9). Great fuck and high energy but blowjob was bland. For whatever reason, she wouldn't make eye contact (very important for me) and go really fast at it as if the only goal is to cum quick. I would rather take it slow and easy. So, never met her again.

Madrid is awesome. I haven't been to Barcelona but I have spend a lot of time recently in Madrid. I had an sb / GF there so I wasn't able to set up much time with the local SBs (maybe 1-2 during the course of a week) due to time commitments. So, in turn I used the local escort scene for outcall and it does not disappoint. Even when in the subways or at a local bar, you can see the talent is literally all around you. I prefer European Spanish over latinas, but whatever your preference is, there's more than enough in SA to easily suit the taste of the pickiest monger.

The feeling of familiarity has come upon me with Madrid; my trips started to be exclusive to Madrid and maybe one other city for a day or so, in order to bang my sb / GF. It started to feel like I was wasting my monger / culture trips, so at this point, the goal is more exploration and Barcelona is definitely on the list.

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[Intelligencium]

Hi all,

I just came back from a Sugar Dating Tour (20 days) to Spain and it was the most fun I have ever had in my whole life! I am 40, pretended to be single on seeking and did a lot of reach outs on the app for almost 2 months before going there.

I learned a lot from this forum, so would like to contribute back with my experience. I will start with a summary today and then add more details over the next few days. Please ask me anything specific that you are interested to know more about.

Some stats first:

- Total women fucked: 13.

- Nationalities fucked: 10.

- Ages fucked: 20-38.

- 2 professionals (1 in Tokyo's soapland, 1 in FKK Sharks at Frankfurt).

- 12 women from seeking, fucked 11 of them. 4 in Madrid, 7/8 in Barcelona.

- Repeat dates with 3 of them. Went on a trip with 1 of these 3. Spent multiple days together with 1 in Barcelona.

- Had 2 threesomes (first threesome in my life).

- PPM ranged from 250-500 Euros. Food / drinks 100 Euros per date.

- Overall spent 8-9 k USD.

My plan / strategy with all these seeking dates was always the same: I wasn't interested in them coming directly to the hotel room. I told them specifically that I want to go out and explore the city's restaurants / bars (since I am visiting) and go back to my room AFTER some drinking + getting to know each other.

I also had to say No to many other prospective girls who I was chatting with for a while because I just didn't have the time to meet them all.

Some Learnings:

- I am not into professionals. Those were the two worst fucks I had on this whole trip.

- Treat the seeking girls well and they will reciprocate. I was nice and a gentleman with them over chat, then in person and they were a lot of fun in bed.

- Repeats are usually more fun. The girl becomes comfortable with you and opens up more in the repeat encounters.

- Ask for a video chat before meeting. At least 3 of the 12 women I met looked very different than their pics, mostly because they had put on a lot of weight since the pic, or the angle of the pic had hidden the issues. I cancelled one date when the girl refused to come on video chat.

- In Barcelona, many of these girls live 30-40 minutes away from the city. So planning is important and be prepared for some cancelled dates because the girl may decide not to come (or make excuses).

I am not sure when I will get a chance to do something like this again *sigh*. But I am so glad I did it. Best 20 days of my life! And the cities are amazing too.

[Gfefan]

Never dipped toe in Madrid but sounds right.

Barcelona is where I found my all time favorite. And, yes, percentage fuckable was higher. I also had one in Tarragona that was amazing. She looked like Alexis Crystal (who I rate 9). Great fuck and high energy but blowjob was bland. For whatever reason, she wouldn't make eye contact (very important for me) and go really fast at it as if the only goal is to cum quick. I would rather take it slow and easy. So, never met her again.

I've had good success in both London and Madrid. But Madrid totally rules if you like Latinas. Like say you browse a US city like Chicago. You sort thru dozens of fatties and ugly chicks to find one girl you might want to fuck. Now go to Madrid. Like nearly every girl in the list is fuckable! It's amazing. And of course where I found the legendary smoke show. 😜.

[Gfefan]

All expenses (food, wine, sauna etc. ,) plus 300 EUR left in her purse. That's what was discussed and obliged.

Because she is a keeper, I also gave her a perfume / body lotion pack I bought duty free. I did this whlle dropping her at her apartment.

Let's all work together to avoid inflation, please, if you know what I mean. LOL.

I know this could get debatable but in my eyes, she is a 8+. 5'10", super fit, represents her country in sports, brunette with soulful eyes. BJ was out of the world. Sports person but is submissive on bed. She said she likes it that way. Having a man tell her what he wants and she wants to please.

I had an Honest conversation with her and told her she could demand more. She told me that "It is more important how you treat me. Respect and genuine connection than the money you give me".

Gem of a find especially after being jaded in commercial crass US. I am going to keep her. Natural conversation pointed to she recovering from a sports injury to her knees. I have her apartment address on my GPS. Wil be sending something that would help her.

And what kind of gift was given for this rather full day?

[Steve 9696]

Nice sharing Gfefan. I enjoyed reading it so appreciate your effort both on SA and here to share. For info, which city in Europe was this? Are there specific countries / cities where SA is more popular?

I've had good success in both London and Madrid. But Madrid totally rules if you like Latinas. Like say you browse a US city like Chicago. You sort thru dozens of fatties and ugly chicks to find one girl you might want to fuck. Now go to Madrid. Like nearly every girl in the list is fuckable! It's amazing. And of course where I found the legendary smoke show. 😜.

[VikPunter]

So, the first girl fell sick and a great built up chemistry went down the drain. But, we are in touch. Next tins I am in Europe, I am pretty sure this one will be on my bed.

The next one is a sports girl. Super fit, super sexy. Since I am into sports, we got along great. Few days before I got into town, I asked her to book a restaurant of her choice and she didn't go too fancy. A normal one with a chic vibe. Indications of a keeper.

I booked a hotel with a spa. We grab dinner, we jibe well. Enough to give me confidence to skip the bar and asked herdirectly if she wanted to get back to my place. She goes "would love to. Can't wait. I am already ready, if you know what I mean" and winked. Game on.

Reached hotel, had a rose and things started heating up. Full on make out.

I suggested we try something naughty aka go to the spa (pretty late in the day). She undressed right in front of me, got into nothing but a towel and says "let's go". I follow suit. We went to shower together and hit the sauna.

Pretty hot and we start sweating. I get turned on by sweaty bodies.

We start playing with each other. I'm fully erect, she is wet. Stroking my dick, she goes "Why don't you fuck me right here? She gets on my lap, kisses me, makes my dick rub her pussy and soon, takes me all the way in. We go at it for who knows how long, with her books in my mouth and ass in my hands.

Then, we switched to her standing against the Sauna door and I enter from behind. Being into sports, she takes it like a champ. I finish on her ass. We wipe and lay there for a while.

Then, returned to room. More rose and this time we both were naked. Seated on the same love seat. She starts playing with junior, then proceeds to give the best BBBJ I have received. Lots of BLS and look into my eyes while working the shaft. Then, she rides me reverse cow girl while I keep sipping wine. Stops, asks me to feed her some wine. Then, goes back to work.

At some point, I lift her up, toss her in bed, and started fucking her like no tomorrow. Pretty hard fuck I must say and finish inside her. She said she loves the warmth of it.

More rose, more fuck, more positions including the work table in the hotel. This time she says she wants to swallow. And asks me to not finish soon. I obliged alerting her when I am close. Diligently gets on knees, looks at my eyes, and starts sucking. I finished in a few minutes, feeling her throat. Swallowed it all like a champ. Showered, drank more and slept.

5 am junior has morning wood. I climbed on her, she wakes up slowly, feels my dick and says "please put it inside. Right now! Session done and we go back to sleep.

Woke up at 9, fucked again. Then, went for a sumptuous breakfast. Came back, took a nap, fucked again at 2 pm. Eventually, dropped her off at her flat at 4 pm. She called me upstairs for a coffee. Introduced me to her friend who is equally hot and dropped a hint of potential threesome.

Fabulous trip. Europe rocks.

Nice sharing Gfefan. I enjoyed reading it so appreciate your effort both on SA and here to share. For info, which city in Europe was this? Are there specific countries / cities where SA is more popular?

[Neurosynth]

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Fabulous trip. Europe rocks.

And what kind of gift was given for this rather full day?

[ManWithMotive]

So, the first girl fell sick and a great built up chemistry went down the drain. But, we are in touch. Next tins I am in Europe, I am pretty sure this one will be on my bed.

The next one is a sports girl. Super fit, super sexy. Since I am into sports, we got along great. Few days before I got into town, I asked her to book a restaurant of her choice and she didn't go too fancy. A normal one with a chic vibe. Indications of a keeper.

I booked a hotel with a spa. We grab dinner, we jibe well. Enough to give me confidence to skip the bar and asked herdirectly if she wanted to get back to my place. She goes "would love to. Can't wait. I am already ready, if you know what I mean" and winked. Game on.

Reached hotel, had a rose and things started heating up. Full on make out.

I suggested we try something naughty aka go to the spa (pretty late in the day). She undressed right in front of me, got into nothing but a towel and says "let's go". I follow suit. We went to shower together and hit the sauna.

Pretty hot and we start sweating. I get turned on by sweaty bodies.

We start playing with each other. I'm fully erect, she is wet. Stroking my dick, she goes "Why don't you fuck me right here? She gets on my lap, kisses me, makes my dick rub her pussy and soon, takes me all the way in. We go at it for who knows how long, with her books in my mouth and ass in my hands.

Then, we switched to her standing against the Sauna door and I enter from behind. Being into sports, she takes it like a champ. I finish on her ass. We wipe and lay there for a while.

Then, returned to room. More rose and this time we both were naked. Seated on the same love seat. She starts playing with junior, then proceeds to give the best BBBJ I have received. Lots of BLS and look into my eyes while working the shaft. Then, she rides me reverse cow girl while I keep sipping wine. Stops, asks me to feed her some wine. Then, goes back to work.

At some point, I lift her up, toss her in bed, and started fucking her like no tomorrow. Pretty hard fuck I must say and finish inside her. She said she loves the warmth of it.

More rose, more fuck, more positions including the work table in the hotel. This time she says she wants to swallow. And asks me to not finish soon. I obliged alerting her when I am close. Diligently gets on knees, looks at my eyes, and starts sucking. I finished in a few minutes, feeling her throat. Swallowed it all like a champ. Showered, drank more and slept.

5 am junior has morning wood. I climbed on her, she wakes up slowly, feels my dick and says "please put it inside. Right now! Session done and we go back to sleep.

Woke up at 9, fucked again. Then, went for a sumptuous breakfast. Came back, took a nap, fucked again at 2 pm. Eventually, dropped her off at her flat at 4 pm. She called me upstairs for a coffee. Introduced me to her friend who is equally hot and dropped a hint of potential threesome.

Fabulous trip. Europe rocks.

Wow, you had a fabulous time, great report. I lost count while reading through report no. Of rounds you, I am sure you must have felt satisfied and spent 😉.

[Gfefan]

So, the first girl fell sick and a great built up chemistry went down the drain. But, we are in touch. Next tins I am in Europe, I am pretty sure this one will be on my bed.

The next one is a sports girl. Super fit, super sexy. Since I am into sports, we got along great. Few days before I got into town, I asked her to book a restaurant of her choice and she didn't go too fancy. A normal one with a chic vibe. Indications of a keeper.

I booked a hotel with a spa. We grab dinner, we jibe well. Enough to give me confidence to skip the bar and asked herdirectly if she wanted to get back to my place. She goes "would love to. Can't wait. I am already ready, if you know what I mean" and winked. Game on.

Reached hotel, had a rose and things started heating up. Full on make out.

I suggested we try something naughty aka go to the spa (pretty late in the day). She undressed right in front of me, got into nothing but a towel and says "let's go". I follow suit. We went to shower together and hit the sauna.

Pretty hot and we start sweating. I get turned on by sweaty bodies.

We start playing with each other. I'm fully erect, she is wet. Stroking my dick, she goes "Why don't you fuck me right here? She gets on my lap, kisses me, makes my dick rub her pussy and soon, takes me all the way in. We go at it for who knows how long, with her books in my mouth and ass in my hands.

Then, we switched to her standing against the Sauna door and I enter from behind. Being into sports, she takes it like a champ. I finish on her ass. We wipe and lay there for a while.

Then, returned to room. More rose and this time we both were naked. Seated on the same love seat. She starts playing with junior, then proceeds to give the best BBBJ I have received. Lots of BLS and look into my eyes while working the shaft. Then, she rides me reverse cow girl while I keep sipping wine. Stops, asks me to feed her some wine. Then, goes back to work.

At some point, I lift her up, toss her in bed, and started fucking her like no tomorrow. Pretty hard fuck I must say and finish inside her. She said she loves the warmth of it.

More rose, more fuck, more positions including the work table in the hotel. This time she says she wants to swallow. And asks me to not finish soon. I obliged alerting her when I am close. Diligently gets on knees, looks at my eyes, and starts sucking. I finished in a few minutes, feeling her throat. Swallowed it all like a champ. Showered, drank more and slept.

5 am junior has morning wood. I climbed on her, she wakes up slowly, feels my dick and says "please put it inside. Right now! Session done and we go back to sleep.

Woke up at 9, fucked again. Then, went for a sumptuous breakfast. Came back, took a nap, fucked again at 2 pm. Eventually, dropped her off at her flat at 4 pm. She called me upstairs for a coffee. Introduced me to her friend who is equally hot and dropped a hint of potential threesome.

Fabulous trip. Europe rocks.

[MaxLee88]

It used to be that if I bought a girl something in addition to the $ gift I would consider this part of payment and try to minimize it. But somewhere along the way, with girls I've met more than once I transitioned to thinking of her like a GF. That is the $$ cover the age / looks gap but after that she's your GF and I would surely buy shit for my GF all the time.

So like with Smoke Show we did some shopping. She's not high maintenance. Bought a few things at H&M. And some flip flops. A hat. Just stuff here and there. I guess it added up to about $300 and I could t care less. It just feels natural and proper and she was always grateful. Win all around. Def recommend you try thinking this way if you don't roll this way already. It just feels better. And honestly the illusion of BFGF is priceless.

Ps. Although I wasnt angling for it the comfort level just grew. She gave me her insta. She did BLS tonight without any asking. Just starts to feel more natural. But alas it must end. For now

I agree, going shopping with a girl who actually is treating you well, holding hands, kisses, hugs, girlfriendy behavior, taking her shopping is well worth the extra $100-200 you may spend on her. Everyone is happy and that leads to better feelings and experience for both.

[Steve 9696]

I just got back from a 6 week trip through 9 European countries. I had SA premium but I struck out for the most part. The issue was I try to find actual girls and not escorts which takes time and dedication. I was hoping city to city every 4 or 5 days so I wasn't able to build much chemistry with girls. I also wasn't going to pay prices above my budget.

London I tried meeting up with a few girls. I had one who wasn't an escort who I wanted to see but she got cold feet and then blocked me after I left London. I also was talking to a few others but they had escort vibes so I wasn't interested in paying much for them.

Next time I used SA was in Berlin. I met this girl from Poland and went out to get food with her. She was cool but we didn't have chemistry and actually split before sex. I will admit I lowballed her pretty hard but I told her my price before she came so she knew. She tried guilt tripping me into paying more, telling me other guys pay for 500 euro. I had been having sex with escorts and girls I met at the club so I was only offering her 200. After food she left, I didn't pay her anything and we didn't fuck. She was a mid tier girl looks wise.

Istanbul was the only city I met a girl. We had been barely texting each other, I was super busy with my travels that I did not dedicate time to gaming her or other SA girls. She ended up messaging me randomly on my 2nd to last day in Istanbul. I happened to be nearby her apartment in Kadikoy so we started to discuss payment. She wanted 350 but I got her down to 200 for a few hours. I told her I will give her 300 if she stays the night with me but she doesn't want to. I pushed for no condom but she said no. At this point I had been traveling for 3-4 weeks and had struck out on seeking so I just decided to meet her. I went to her place and she played some techno while we got to knew each other. Eventually we fucked on her shitty little twin size bed. We hung out a bit longer and then fucked again. She was cool but it just wasn't as nice of an experience when you spend the whole night together exploring the city.

Seeking is great but you have to dedicate time to find good girls. My trip to CDMX gave me way better seeking results and also cheaper prices with baresex!

Glad to see you were persistent but I think budget is the issue. Not going to find too many hotties going to take 200 in the western euro countries. Doing good if you get them at 300 IMO. 200 doesn't get you far.

[Clone8884]

I just got back from a 6 week trip through 9 European countries. I had SA premium but I struck out for the most part. The issue was I try to find actual girls and not escorts which takes time and dedication. I was hoping city to city every 4 or 5 days so I wasn't able to build much chemistry with girls. I also wasn't going to pay prices above my budget.

London I tried meeting up with a few girls. I had one who wasn't an escort who I wanted to see but she got cold feet and then blocked me after I left London. I also was talking to a few others but they had escort vibes so I wasn't interested in paying much for them.

Next time I used SA was in Berlin. I met this girl from Poland and went out to get food with her. She was cool but we didn't have chemistry and actually split before sex. I will admit I lowballed her pretty hard but I told her my price before she came so she knew. She tried guilt tripping me into paying more, telling me other guys pay for 500 euro. I had been having sex with escorts and girls I met at the club so I was only offering her 200. After food she left, I didn't pay her anything and we didn't fuck. She was a mid tier girl looks wise.

Istanbul was the only city I met a girl. We had been barely texting each other, I was super busy with my travels that I did not dedicate time to gaming her or other SA girls. She ended up messaging me randomly on my 2nd to last day in Istanbul. I happened to be nearby her apartment in Kadikoy so we started to discuss payment. She wanted 350 but I got her down to 200 for a few hours. I told her I will give her 300 if she stays the night with me but she doesn't want to. I pushed for no condom but she said no. At this point I had been traveling for 3-4 weeks and had struck out on seeking so I just decided to meet her. I went to her place and she played some techno while we got to knew each other. Eventually we fucked on her shitty little twin size bed. We hung out a bit longer and then fucked again. She was cool but it just wasn't as nice of an experience when you spend the whole night together exploring the city.

Seeking is great but you have to dedicate time to find good girls. My trip to CDMX gave me way better seeking results and also cheaper prices with baresex!

[Steve 9696]

I contacted dozens of escorts looking for unprotected sex and proposing 2000 $ or euro per day. All invariably declined and made clear that no money can buy unprotected sex. The West is totally condomized, not only escorts. Always had to go out of the West to find natural sex.

He said "most escorts don't attempt unprotected sex". Obviously. That's why he was surprised she did — thus bolstering the case that she's not really an escort per se.

To be clear the most likely place to find it in the US is on seeking. I’ve had a least ten girls go for it without a word of discussion. These are non pros that are typically early twenties.

[XViking]

But most escorts... attempt unprotected sex without previous discussion...

I contacted dozens of escorts looking for unprotected sex and proposing 2000 $ or euro per day. All invariably declined and made clear that no money can buy unprotected sex. The West is totally condomized, not only escorts. Always had to go out of the West to find natural sex.