Seeking Arrangements

[XViking]

...She views the allowance / gift (I. E. Money!) as a bonus...
you will end up in the room with your girl and have a rocking time...
Finally, I should note that how much time you spend with her is largely up to her and how well you vibe. It's not something you negotiate, like you would with a hooker. Most times it will probably be 3-4 hours including dinner and sex, after which she might say she needs to get home. But, in my experience, about 50% of girls sleep over. It's not something you discuss. It just happens. You cuddle after sex and next thing you know she's taking off her necklace to the bedside table. Bingo!

No doubt, early direct talk spooks nice girls. But indirect talk is often a deadend. For example, I do not need sex with condom. How you do that without spooking nice girls? Should I take them one by one to the hotel room with all the gifts / allowances until I fell on one who agrees? What is the chance the life is long enough?

For another example, I did not talk directly first 40 years and then counted how many morning blowjobs I had so far. I remembered exactly one. Nice girls played like they do not guess what all men love most of all.

There are no nice girls who expect gift / allowance even as bonus. If she left after 3-4 hours including dinner, or if after the first round she took off her necklace and went to sleep, she fucked you.

Anything nice in the mongering world is illusion, though illusion can be important. Removing illusions, this world is a constant struggle when you try to fuck her and she tries to fuck you (metaphorically).

One day, I decided that I talk straight what I want and all the nice girls can explode. And an incredible happened. Some nice girls recovered from the spooking. And then it was a rocking time (see my report on Punta Cana from today).

[Nounce]

Enough push back that I can see the other side. I take it back.

I guess a number of you are having relationships on SA that truly transcend the financial aspect to the point they'd happen even without the money.

I stand corrected.

The context isn't that clear, is it sex, love, or marriage? I think you are not wrong. I think most relationships talked about here are lopsided in some way. That is not ideal for long term relationship. It also depends on one's environment, and how you define what is "incredible", for example.

[Gfefan]

One SB I met. We had a great M&G. Super pretty. Very fuck worthy.

M&G was so good that we even started dirty talks as we left the restaurant.

Was upping the game using Steve trick of hitting a bar next. Walking through a garden in the city, she starts feeling nauseatic and after a while, throwing up. Had t help her out, and then find a pharmacy nearby, get some meds.

Sent her home by cab. She texts me in the AM that she is better but I had a dry night.

[DramaFree11]

How you complain about Colombia, I will never understand. Colombianas, on average, look better than Mexicanas, and charge 50% less. You are biased because you live close to the mexican border, and so are monger living in San Diego, for example. For them Tijuana is a no brainer.

Sorry, again I disagree with you. It is not only looks for me it is there bad attitudes, extreme jealousy and laziness. Not mention there big / fake asses. Again, I have mostly dealt with girls from MDE, and I am not impressed.

For someone that claims to have such high standards and you are slumming in Colombia, this makes no sense to me. Mexico rocks! I am not going argue with you, like you do with guys on other threads. I think you should take the same approach on the other threads you are active on.

[MiamiBoy1]

How guys can complain about CDMX, I will never understand. This is paradise for me. Off to RosaNegra, it will be a soup night and Vodka. I have to cut cost somehow. (Joke).

How you complain about Colombia, I will never understand. Colombianas, on average, look better than Mexicanas, and charge 50% less. You are biased because you live close to the mexican border, and so are monger living in San Diego, for example. For them Tijuana is a no brainer.

[DramaFree11]

Good news about Customs in CDMX, they are process of stream lining the immigration process. So much more efficient and faster. Not bad for Mexico.

How guys can complain about CDMX, I will never understand. This is paradise for me. Off to RosaNegra, it will be a soup night and Vodka. I have to cut cost somehow. (Joke).

[GoingDumb]

Of course go as low as you can and be effective but 20 MG viagra is a super small dose. 50 and 100 are most common.

I tried 40 MG once and really felt the flushing and heart rate. I feel like 100 might make me pass out like Fast's buddy in the bathroom LOL. I wanted to try cialis but the doc prescribed viagra first.

[Elvis 2008]

I I think she wasnt looking for money in the site, but a relationship with an older guy like me, maybe her goal was to lmove in with me as a couple and get married.

There is another girl I see in CDMX, for over a year now. I would definitely marry her.

So to the OP who asked about this, you can see that yes marriage can happen on SA and sometimes women are looking for it. If you read the women's tabs and what they are looking for, you almost always will see luxury lifestyle, but it is not uncommon to see women list marriage minded, and I think most times that they list that they are seriously looking for a husband.

[AmericanPi]

Enough push back that I can see the other side. I take it back.

I guess a number of you are having relationships on SA that truly transcend the financial aspect to the point they'd happen even without the money.

I stand corrected.

[DramaFree11]

AP, you are too definitive. Your always comment is directly contradicted by my gal and the one I was dating before her. In the USA, in my experience, it WAS always about the money. In Mexico and Colombia, it could have been just that they wanted to hang out with a wealthy foreigner.

You are also wrongly making the assumption that all relationships from SA started with an exchange of money. That was true in the USA and not elsewhere. I was with women abroad who many times asked for no money.

And let's flip it around. Yes, we men should always be on the lookout for a woman who pretends to like us but it is just about money, but there should be caution on the other side too, women who care nothing about money and too much about you. Too often that is the borderline woman, the fatal attraction type, "I am not going to be ignored, Dan! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYKDX-egZjk.

I actually think men's biggest mistake is overconfidence in how their woman is feeling. It is normal for you to want her to think she wants you for you and not your money. I realize that the worst judge of whether a woman was into me was me. That is why you get your friends, especially your female ones, to confirm if she really is into you. They may not always be right, but their track record will be much better than yours.

I have said this many times, but it is worth repeating. What I get back in return from, SA, far exceeds what money I give the girls. There are 4 girls I see regularly in MTY, this has been going on for almost 3 years now. There is another girl I see in CDMX, for over a year now. I would definitely marry her. So humble and genuine when we are together. She is also a total freak. With these girls I never discuss money and at times I almost feel guilty how little I give them.

Yes, America is tough, but you can also have great.

Times in the states, but this does take more time and money.

Heading back to CDMX tomorrow, how guys can complain about CDMX I will never understand, there are hot girls everywhere, totally amazing. I have at least 2 meetings set-up daily, what more can I ask for. I was there 2 weeks ago and what an amazing trip, Yes, CDMX is expensive, but there is so little competition there and hot girls everywhere.

Also, some girls have lowered there prices, from before.

More good news, airline tickets prices have dropped significantly for San Antonio to CDMX. I will be there every other weekend. At least through the Holidays.

[MexicanCuban]

AP, you are too definitive. Your always comment is directly contradicted by my gal and the one I was dating before her. In the USA, in my experience, it WAS always about the money. In Mexico and Colombia, it could have been just that they wanted to hang out with a wealthy foreigner.

You are also wrongly making the assumption that all relationships from SA started with an exchange of money. That was true in the USA and not elsewhere. I was with women abroad who many times asked for no money.

And let's flip it around. Yes, we men should always be on the lookout for a woman who pretends to like us but it is just about money, but there should be caution on the other side too, women who care nothing about money and too much about you. Too often that is the borderline woman, the fatal attraction type, "I am not going to be ignored, Dan! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYKDX-egZjk.

I actually think men's biggest mistake is overconfidence in how their woman is feeling. It is normal for you to want her to think she wants you for you and not your money. I realize that the worst judge of whether a woman was into me was me. That is why you get your friends, especially your female ones, to confirm if she really is into you. They may not always be right, but their track record will be much better than yours.

I have to agree with the part when you say that AP wrongly assumes that all relationships in SA started with a exchange of money.

I remember this arts student who I met in SA, went for a cup of coffee and then we fucked. At the end I automatically gave her $$ that I had told her over message I was going to gift her and she really didn't want to take it. We saw each other a few more times and she told me "you gave me money, I never asked for it". In the end I stopped seeing her because she was very clingy and was texting me all day long while I was working. I think she wasnt looking for money in the site, but a relationship with an older guy like me, maybe her goal was to lmove in with me as a couple and get married.

[Steve 9696]

I enjoy the long sessions. I've never been able to shoot multiple times in an hour /90 minutes but not sure how long you're counting. I've always been jealous of it LOL but that way round 2 I can go for awhile at least. I started taking Sildenafil 20 MG last year for girls from sa but it doesn't seem as effective anymore. I don't have a problem getting up for round 2 but after a few positions it's like jr loses interest especially feel with the rubber.

Sadly I can only find them in Europe. My experience in the US is more pump and dump / business focuses. Most girls leave after an hour or so which is a bummer and why I've stopped looking. The one good experience I had in the US was the one time I went bb. CIP pretty quick, then she got on CG which was also great.

Of course go as low as you can and be effective but 20 MG viagra is a super small dose. 50 and 100 are most common.

[GoingDumb]

Are you enjoying the long sessions otherwise? I've realized that I don't mind the long stamina I get from 5-20 MG Taladafil. No performance issues normally but find that I'the rather savor with pills for a long time vs shooting multiple times in a session. Funny enough, like Steve, getting blown is the surefire way of releasing. Not a fan of BLS but some thrusting in BBBJ works for CIM or otherwise usually after 5-10 minutes.

F.

I enjoy the long sessions. I've never been able to shoot multiple times in an hour /90 minutes but not sure how long you're counting. I've always been jealous of it LOL but that way round 2 I can go for awhile at least. I started taking Sildenafil 20 MG last year for girls from sa but it doesn't seem as effective anymore. I don't have a problem getting up for round 2 but after a few positions it's like jr loses interest especially feel with the rubber.

Sadly I can only find them in Europe. My experience in the US is more pump and dump / business focuses. Most girls leave after an hour or so which is a bummer and why I've stopped looking. The one good experience I had in the US was the one time I went bb. CIP pretty quick, then she got on CG which was also great.

[Elvis 2008]

I'm not disagreeing with you or the prior poster. I do believe all of this is possible. Of course.

But I often come on here to make a point about odds and likelihoods.

The reality is a girl joins the site because she wants to trade her youth for money, episodically. That's why she's on the site. Any girl can find older guys on any other dating site, easily, without the backdrop of the kind of impropriety that sugaring connotes.

This means that any relationship that starts here always has that as the context. Always. I'm not saying people don't really dare or even get married off this stuff. I'm saying don't confuse those terms with the way they're used without that context. The likelihood a sugar daddy and baby marriage ends with happily ever after reminiscing about their lives on the porch is slim to none because the foundation is one of a power imbalance and explicit financial exchange. No amount of "we saw past all that over time" changes the fact that you have 2 people who'd never be together were it not for the exchange.

I cringe when I hear guys on here talk about their girlfriends, meaning people they met on a sugar site and still give money to, even if not the way they used to. I often wonder how the same stories would be told from the other side.

AP, you are too definitive. Your always comment is directly contradicted by my gal and the one I was dating before her. In the USA, in my experience, it WAS always about the money. In Mexico and Colombia, it could have been just that they wanted to hang out with a wealthy foreigner.

You are also wrongly making the assumption that all relationships from SA started with an exchange of money. That was true in the USA and not elsewhere. I was with women abroad who many times asked for no money.

And let's flip it around. Yes, we men should always be on the lookout for a woman who pretends to like us but it is just about money, but there should be caution on the other side too, women who care nothing about money and too much about you. Too often that is the borderline woman, the fatal attraction type, "I am not going to be ignored, Dan! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYKDX-egZjk.

I actually think men's biggest mistake is overconfidence in how their woman is feeling. It is normal for you to want her to think she wants you for you and not your money. I realize that the worst judge of whether a woman was into me was me. That is why you get your friends, especially your female ones, to confirm if she really is into you. They may not always be right, but their track record will be much better than yours.

[Foolish]

But I often come on here to make a point about odds and likelihoods.

I cringe when I hear guys on here talk about their girlfriends, meaning people they met on a sugar site and still give money to, even if not the way they used to. I often wonder how the same stories would be told from the other side.

Totally on the same page. And to be honest, there are a lot of successful SB / SDs who definitely do not want "more". It usually can get awkward / sideways when that balance is lost.

This is the one that refuses to take $ from me.

Enjoy. These are some of the best, while they last.

Fantastic story. Honestly the best part was she handed you the phone and the KTV manager confirmed you had a good time? I would never forget that cherry on top.

Awesome customer service. I don't understand the restrictive Asian monger culture (like Taiwan, South Korea, etc), but I guess it's about keeping it local or people who ruined it for others? Imagine Colombia, instead of getting worse in service / increase in price, they just don't allow foreigners. Would still like to explore these places for travel, but have low expectations (unless I'm on business like Steve! Ha).