Seeking Arrangements

[Gfefan]

So, given I got a month subscription, even as SA is full of scam and platinum pussies in the US, I am messaging some and collecting numbers before subscription ends.

A girl, looks decent, chats well, good vibes, we move to text. Good convo continues. She asks for photos. I send private pics on SA. She asks for specifically she wants on phone. I don't budge. Eventually, sent screenshots of the same pics on SA.

Continue chatting, she says she is a nurse and hesitates to. Meet and greet. I play along. At some point she talks about astrology and quotes her birthday to be 2007.

I was like "Fuck. This is weird". I tell. Her that I could be many things but I don't engage with underage girls. She goes she doesn't mind and that age gap is not a problem. I said listen "the problem is not age gap. It is the absolute age".

Later, I felt this could be a LE thing and wrote "For the record, your profile quotes you as 25 yo and you told me you are WORKING as a nurse. Otherwise I would never have entertained you".

She sent a few messages mad "you are so judgemental. This that. What, do you want a letter of consent from my parents?

At this point, I block her from my phone as well as SA.

The more I wade, the more I believe US is a shitshow for SA.

[Steve 9696]

EXACTLY! I wish I was still living in Michigan on the beach where I grew up. NOW it's all mega mansions overlooking the Lake with Chi town elites all settled in for the summer. I refuse to go back to see the paradise I lived in. Don't want to ruin the memories. Ahh but I still love Colombia and those crazy winding and dangerous mountainous back roads with awesome blackberry & leche shakes overlooking Medellin with live music and yes roasted on the stick chickens.

But I digress the world seems too much hype and not enough reality. I head for Brazil this September and wonder. Steve, Elvis? I am thinking Rio and exploring the coastline. I land in Sampa but have no SA connections there (are there any?) and P4 P, local clinics Scandallo are not my style. The girls could be Gisele bendchen look a likes but will they be like the girls I know in Bogota, Medellin? Nada. I don't think there will be anything more than great sex at a certain cost. So I will enjoy Rio instead. I might turn on SA before the trip. SA / Colombia gave me a different perspective. Making Love has got to mean something these days. I know some of you have already been to Sao. Done SA in Brazil. Are there some real.

GFE quality girls there to hang out with besides fuck? Am I crazy? I keep asking myself if I shouldn't revisit the people / places I already know? LOL.

So I think your Rio plan is good given your predilections. More a vacation with girls involved than just straight up fuck every night. I've only done SA once in Rio. But I had five or so girls in the candidate list and closed the deal last minute with Manuella. This girl was off the charts. Total package 9. 5 in all aspects. Was I a bit lucky? Yes but I am sure you coulda had some pretty great 8's also. I would say learn some Portuguese if you don't have it. I've worked on mine over a couple years and we did our date 100% in Português. I'm not conversational but I know the date was waaaay more fun than having google translate out all the time. Start now if you haven't already and you will be glad you did.

On SA in general I've not tried to be on and off. It's just not worth the hassle. I just count the $1000/ year as part of my girls costs and like that I can browse anywhere any time.

I wouldn't rule out the Terma as a place to meet girls. I had two super great girls at Monte Carlo both ready to date outside the club. Valeska who is a hot little number was definitely on for a date but I had to let her down when Manuella came thru. She was a good sport. Point is these Terma girls def want a bit of the girlfriend experience also and you can def connect in the club and get their number and take them out later. I would have been happy with either of the MC girls as my Rio GF.

[DonCarlos1234]

My grandparents bought a lot on a lake in Michigan in the 1950's for $300. ----- :-)

We then have dinner, and I saw a place with rotisserie chicken. Again, it is nothing fancy. I pay like $10 for five people to eat. It is simple. It is just chicken, arepas, and potatoes, but it was so fucking good and again your body is thanking you for eating it.

I look at the people and the women. Obesity is there but it is a fraction of what it is in the USA. The women have one kind of look to them but they were some amazing looking women in these country towns, and everyone was nice. I wonder to myself why the people are so thin and happy. Is it really because the people in the USA are so undisciplined or is it just because we have so much unhealthy and addictive shit put in our food? How happy can you be if you are morbidly overweight or obese?

When I was in Colombia, for sure there were the hooker types out for a buck but in no other country did I meet women who were really interested in me and not money. I even had one woman try to give me the money we agreed on back to me. Why were so many people in this country so much less materialistic than richer ones? And yeah, DF, I get Medellin is as materialistic as anyone in the world, but that is Medellin.

Yeah, the roads sucked. The internet sucked. The latest and greatest tech gizmos were not around, but does that really matter?

I agree that the USA is the best place to make a living, so I am not going to check out of the USA just yet, but something is fucked up when a nation as poor as Colombia seems to have people way more happy and healthy than we do.

EXACTLY! I wish I was still living in Michigan on the beach where I grew up. NOW it's all mega mansions overlooking the Lake with Chi town elites all settled in for the summer. I refuse to go back to see the paradise I lived in. Don't want to ruin the memories. Ahh but I still love Colombia and those crazy winding and dangerous mountainous back roads with awesome blackberry & leche shakes overlooking Medellin with live music and yes roasted on the stick chickens.

But I digress the world seems too much hype and not enough reality. I head for Brazil this September and wonder. Steve, Elvis? I am thinking Rio and exploring the coastline. I land in Sampa but have no SA connections there (are there any?) and P4 P, local clinics Scandallo are not my style. The girls could be Gisele bendchen look a likes but will they be like the girls I know in Bogota, Medellin? Nada. I don't think there will be anything more than great sex at a certain cost. So I will enjoy Rio instead. I might turn on SA before the trip. SA / Colombia gave me a different perspective. Making Love has got to mean something these days. I know some of you have already been to Sao. Done SA in Brazil. Are there some real.

GFE quality girls there to hang out with besides fuck? Am I crazy? I keep asking myself if I shouldn't revisit the people / places I already know? LOL.

[FilthyBeaver]

Been thinking about this, I'm really picky, like really picky. That's probably the biggest reason I'm not having much luck. Even here at home, with hundreds of girls in a tier one coastal city there may be 20-30 I'm interested in, half that respond and half of that I might actually have a meaningful conversation with and still half of that I actually meet. So of the 2-3 girls I meet one or two I want to see again. I met 4 on my last account, two were duds (one was a scam artist that got past my radar), two I'm still seeing.

The places in Europe I've tried to use SA really didn't have that many girls but my ratios were about the same. Met exactly 1 girl in 4 of the 5 cities I was looking. Out of maybe 10 profiles in each city I was interested in.

Agree 100% with most of what you said but we differ on this point. I find pretty much ALL girls on SA are open to traveling daddy's. Even the ones saying they are looking for long term. I always acknowledge it up front like "I know you are looking for long term and totally respect that. But if you want a few nights of awesomeness in the meantime let's chat. " I'the say 90% of the time they bite. Or more correctly I see no difference in response rate and engagement between those that state long term only or even no PPM explicitly and those that don't.

[EuropeanDmv75]

Belgrade in Serbia.

And you will go crazy with the SA women.

Or Istanbul in Turkey.

I know it's not EE but you will get everything on SA.

Peace.

I spent some time in Warsaw and I found some very decent girls and reasonable agreements.

[Steve 9696]

I've found most of the desirable girls are looking for a long term / consistent thing which stacks the deck against you as a traveller.

Agree 100% with most of what you said but we differ on this point. I find pretty much ALL girls on SA are open to traveling daddy's. Even the ones saying they are looking for long term. I always acknowledge it up front like "I know you are looking for long term and totally respect that. But if you want a few nights of awesomeness in the meantime let's chat. " I'the say 90% of the time they bite. Or more correctly I see no difference in response rate and engagement between those that state long term only or even no PPM explicitly and those that don't.

[FilthyBeaver]

But I'll say it again, never give money for a meet and greet! The only ones that ask for that are the pros who make a living off it and never see you again or the girls who have convinced themselves they aren't prostitutes but are in every other sense of the word. My greatest finds have never asked for anything for a meet. If someone does, I straight up tell them no. I'm (potentially) wasting my time as much as they're wasting theirs and I'm about 99.98% sure my time is more valuable than theirs. Any girl that asks me what I'm offering before we even meet is another red flag. Why would I know what I'd offer before I knew I if I even wanted to see her again? I do not gift the same for every girl, really depends on the girl and the situation.

I don't think you did anything wrong. The first girl was delusional and the second was a pro who has convinced herself she's not. That's not what most of us are looking for on SA.

FWIW, I've had very little luck with SA in Europe, I won't name the countries (DM me if you want to know) and none of them were Spain so I'm not going to contradict the posters of success there. But I did meet a Spanish girl in one of the countries for l straight sex, no date, no pretend anything so I believe the success stories.

I've found most of the desirable girls are looking for a long term / consistent thing which stacks the deck against you as a traveller.

I've been messaging girls on sa ahead of a trip. I have a few leads but sa is starting to feel like work when I know there are good options where I'm going. And I don't have to worry about my stuff in the hotel room. I had decent conversations with two different girls but both fizzled out when financial details came up. I know steve suggests not bringing it up directly but I feel like I wasted my time. The first one expected 3500 eur and said her only other arrangement had a 20 k monthly allowance.

The second gave me the "I'm not an escort and just because we're meeting I won't have sex but we can see how chemistry is" but asked for an allowance. I was tempted to offer her 100 eur even though I've never paid for meets before. I countered and said we could meet for a drink first and a date later in the week if the chemistry was good but she declined saying I was expecting sex. I told her yes, for an allowance that was my expectation but I was happy to meet for drinks without expectations. I asked her about previous arrangements and she expects allowance for the meet and then more if there's intimacy. Probably dodged one here.

[Steve 9696]

Spain. When I used "the what did you have in mind for a gift" line before I've had girls tell me gifts other guys got them, not a price LOL. I've found it easier to be direct and ask about ppm but none have lasted more than a few meets so maybe that's why.

Spain is full of SA hotties. Just keep at it. You will crack the nut. Smoke show wanted 1000 but settled for 400. And now she's going to travel w me (fingers crossed) so just keep at it. If you are ok with a full bodied girl I can point to one in Madrid who is a nice girl and a ton of fun in the bedroom.

Ps if u dont wanna use gift, allowance is a bit nicer word than ppm. Tho in Spain it prob doesnt matter.

[GoingDumb]

Remind me where you are traveling to? That will give some context to help.

Regarding the $$ discussion it depends where you are going. I hope I never said don't bring it up. I always do. But it's not presented as sex for money. My patter is basically after some chat and moving to WhatsApp:

"I see our date going something like this. Have a nice dinner. Prob drink a bit too much. Laugh till it hurts. And if we vibe like I think we will, spend some private time together. Allowance of course. On the off chance we don't vibe we can part after dinner no harm no foul. How's that match what you are looking for? ".

She will usually say sure if you get to this point. Then you can discuss price. You don't need to be any more explicit than what is said above. You would just say "Did you have something in mind for gift/ allowance?" And she will either say or ask you to go first. If you go first say "what I have done in the past is 400. I hope that works for you because I think we will really have a great time. " Notice no $ sign. Outside US you can be more explicit.

Hope this helps.

Spain. When I used "the what did you have in mind for a gift" line before I've had girls tell me gifts other guys got them, not a price LOL. I've found it easier to be direct and ask about ppm but none have lasted more than a few meets so maybe that's why.

[Steve 9696]

[Read post below this first for context]

First, the good, the bad and the ugly of Seeking. Good -- great actually is Sylvia -- what a gem. But I also had to sift through piles of dead leads and one beautiful girl who strung me on with great text game and a meetup plan and hit me up for travel funds a few days before (thank her for not being last minute). But this let me go to my number 2, Sylvia, who, having met up, I am 100% confident is better than the other girl.

I met Sylvia two weeks ago on Seeking. And what a wonderful case study of how razor thin fate and decisions are. We had lovely chat, but at one point we couldn't agree price and we both walked away. Fortunately she messaged a few moments later saying she changed her mind. I proposed a compromise and we continued onward. This AMAZING experience might not have happened but for that minor little change of heart. And she is over the moon that we met -- I was her first SA and a total home run it was in both directions.

The other great thing about this date is that its living proof its not all a bunch of pros. Sylvia just finished law school and is fucking smart and articulate as fuck. She could run circles around most of us talking politics, anthropology or whatever else you might want to talk about.

As a result of being brand new to the game and having a bright future ahead, she was super paranoid about sending photos and stuff. She'd send expiring photos on a short timeline. At first I thought she might be a scammer and didn't' want to be documented but she is absolutely 100% the professional girl early in her career looking for some fun and cash is a side benefit. And fun we had.

We met up for dinner as per the usual playbook but man did it evolve to the amazing party evening after that. I know some guys just want to go back to the sack ASAP but I LOVE having a girlfriend out on the town and a really full evening (we spent 8 hrs this first night before crashing together in my room). After dinner we walked hand in hand through Hyde Park. It was getting dark and when we got to the other side, it was chained up and we had to jump the fence. What a trooper in a dress and heels!

I had to pee like the end of the world so we found the closest bar / club we could and it was in a toney part of town. Really amazing place, with hookah / shisha and a wonderful young high end vibe. There was a belly dancer and Sylvia was sorta dancing in her seat -- so I knew she was my kinda high energy girl and asked her if she wanted to go dancing. Damn, yes she did!

Well it turns out she is a wild party girl at the club and rivals the famous Thifany for being a true life spirit of energy. And I love her moxie. When we enter the club its packed body to body but she wants to get a table. I've been here before and know there are only like 2 booths and there is no way. Undeterred she takes me by the hand and wends her way to the back of the club. Theres a corner booth but it has glasses and bottle of champagne on it, but she plunks herself down anyhow. I join her and not much later someone comes and says they had poached the booth and hope it was OK and we admitted to being poachers also and all shared it. Tho we were 99% on the floor anyhow. She was just so confident poaching that booth. What attitude!

So we dance ourselves silly for a couple hours and it really brought me back to my time with Thifany. Thifany was a 9+ and Silvia is clearly an 8 but the same energy and sexy dancing vibe. We were mixing it up with others in the club. One big party.

Back in the room the sex was hot and heavy. She totally got off on DATY and fingering, with two fingers upping the intensity level significantly. As usual I was a beast to get off when mega drunk but with BJ and several rounds of fucking I finally came in mish, which I love.

I was worried because goddamn London and their tiny rooms with a single twin bed but we crashed at 3 AM as spoons and just spooned the whole night as the only practical method of sharing a twin. And it was nice. We both slept the sleep of the dead.

Breakfast the next morning was fun and comfortable but day two was even more interesting with the introduction of a work friend to the mix. (Never sexual). I thought after all the cloak and dagger she'the want to keep things private but when my friend checked in she was fine with meeting him.

This led to an amazing night of the three of us with no one feeling like a third wheel as she was equally engaging with both of us. I lost my jealousy hangup with Thifany because I woulda gone nuts otherwise but it served well here. Happy to share her all you like but I know who's fucking her tonight!

So we had an amazing dinner with vibrant conversation, some amazing drinks and then searched high and low for a club open past 11 on Sunday WTF. Literally wandered about for an hour before a pedi-cab guy said he could take us to a place open till 3 and I pay him what I feel. Sounds like a scam. But my glass half full personality paid off and he dropped us at a club and I gave him 20 which he was happy with.

This club far exceeded expectations and turned our plans completely 180. We planned to sit and talk in another quiet pub like atmosphere. But here there were no tables and the music way too loud to talk. So we adapted!

Sylvia and I joined a small handful on the dance floor and got the party started! As time went on the club filled and we were pulling wallflowers into the game, including my shy friend. Sylvia was so great. She would dance with him, even doing back grinding totally bringing him to the party. And I just loved that she's so open and free.

She was definitely the IT girl and several guys were engaging her to dance. I don't really mind but when they got too handsy I had to back them off a bit. I don't think they believed me when I said she was my girl. LOL. We kissed a couple times which I hope sent a message. On balance it was fine and non threatening tho one dude was pretty stalker like and I had to tell him to back off more than once. All in all It was another amazing night.

We left shortly after a small fight broke out at 2 AM and made our way home. Of course we were too pooped to fuck but fortunately had a BJ before dinner and didn't feel the need. Next morning we had lovely morning sex before I had to leave for the airport.

We spent less than 48 hours together but it felt like a week and was just one off the hook party. So smart. So sexy. So 24. So free. Only on Seeking baby!

[Steve 9696]

Was recently chatting with Sylvia and came across this report from our first date. May have posted. Don't recall. But it's a fun read and got me to reflecting longer term SA relationship s and how they grow more complex and more real and therefore have ups and downs. I'the guess I'the say I have three ongoing relationships and they aren't without their intrigue and drama.

Shayla — My home girl. My mistress. We've been dating weekly and more for 18 months. Have flown her on vacation and work with me three times. The highs are very high. But then there's the complexity. She has some emotional issues and if you hit her up before 2 pM you would swear she hates you. LOL. And then at night she's fun. Birth control is totally whacking out her sex drive and that's made things harder. There is drama now where there was none 12 months in.

Alexa — My Vegas girl. Just saw her again for a couple days. First met her in 2019 and I guess our rate of speed is a few days together once a year! We do fall back into it pretty effortlessly. But FUCK that girl can talk a blue streak. I mean nonstop 24 hours! I've even coined the term "conversational blowjob" where she will chat, suck dick, say a few more sentences, suck dick, and so on. Good news is this leads to 45 minute blowjobs and it's sorta kind fun. But damn can't say it's very românticos intimate. Our sex is just a bit more mechanical now.

Sylvia — Met Sylvia in London a bit over a year ago. As you Will see in the adventure below, there is a razors margin between walking away and having a long term girlfriend. After the great time below I flew her on Vacay to the Mediterranean and we had the best time. Only downside is she's so tight and not so wet and I am thick, so we've had our struggles. After that vacay we met for a night in London and my party girl had disappeared and was replaced by a girl who wants to order take out and watch Netflix (this happened with Kayla my FL girl also! So I just let it run cold. She even deleted her Telegram acct because she felt dissed. Well what do you know a month ago she cashapps me a dollar (only way she could contact me. Clever girl) and says she wants to reconnect if only as friends. Weve been chatting ever since and now she's asking when we can travel together again. I really do like this girl but damn I got to have good sex so I'm in a quandary. Right now I'm putting her off but damn I miss her. When she sends voice messages in that London accent. Damn.

Anyhow I guess I'm just rambling but perhaps the point is that it's wonderful to have long term girls and I wouldn't trade them. But they develop complications as all relationships do. So beware!

Good luck out there! The gems exist! Get your miners hat on!

P.S. Going to have to post the story separate due to character limits.

[Steve 9696]

I've been messaging girls on sa ahead of a trip. I have a few leads but sa is starting to feel like work when I know there are good options where I'm going. And I don't have to worry about my stuff in the hotel room. I had decent conversations with two different girls but both fizzled out when financial details came up. I know steve suggests not bringing it up directly but I feel like I wasted my time. The first one expected 3500 eur and said her only other arrangement had a 20 k monthly allowance.

The second gave me the "I'm not an escort and just because we're meeting I won't have sex but we can see how chemistry is" but asked for an allowance. I was tempted to offer her 100 eur even though I've never paid for meets before. I countered and said we could meet for a drink first and a date later in the week if the chemistry was good but she declined saying I was expecting sex. I told her yes, for an allowance that was my expectation but I was happy to meet for drinks without expectations. I asked her about previous arrangements and she expects allowance for the meet and then more if there's intimacy. Probably dodged one here.

I know I probably messed the second one up but what could I have done differently? Offered the 100 eur? The chemistry on text seemed good so I mightve had a shot but she could equally have been a rinser.

The two good experiences I've had on seeking abroad have been with girls who were basically using seeking for sw. One told me straight up when we met and the second made it clear in her messages. She still had a regular job/intern but loved sex.

Remind me where you are traveling to? That will give some context to help.

Regarding the $$ discussion it depends where you are going. I hope I never said don't bring it up. I always do. But it's not presented as sex for money. My patter is basically after some chat and moving to WhatsApp:

"I see our date going something like this. Have a nice dinner. Prob drink a bit too much. Laugh till it hurts. And if we vibe like I think we will, spend some private time together. Allowance of course. On the off chance we don't vibe we can part after dinner no harm no foul. How's that match what you are looking for? ".

She will usually say sure if you get to this point. Then you can discuss price. You don't need to be any more explicit than what is said above. You would just say "Did you have something in mind for gift/ allowance?" And she will either say or ask you to go first. If you go first say "what I have done in the past is 400. I hope that works for you because I think we will really have a great time. " Notice no $ sign. Outside US you can be more explicit.

Hope this helps.

[GoingDumb]

I've been messaging girls on sa ahead of a trip. I have a few leads but sa is starting to feel like work when I know there are good options where I'm going. And I don't have to worry about my stuff in the hotel room. I had decent conversations with two different girls but both fizzled out when financial details came up. I know steve suggests not bringing it up directly but I feel like I wasted my time. The first one expected 3500 eur and said her only other arrangement had a 20 k monthly allowance.

The second gave me the "I'm not an escort and just because we're meeting I won't have sex but we can see how chemistry is" but asked for an allowance. I was tempted to offer her 100 eur even though I've never paid for meets before. I countered and said we could meet for a drink first and a date later in the week if the chemistry was good but she declined saying I was expecting sex. I told her yes, for an allowance that was my expectation but I was happy to meet for drinks without expectations. I asked her about previous arrangements and she expects allowance for the meet and then more if there's intimacy. Probably dodged one here.

I know I probably messed the second one up but what could I have done differently? Offered the 100 eur? The chemistry on text seemed good so I mightve had a shot but she could equally have been a rinser.

The two good experiences I've had on seeking abroad have been with girls who were basically using seeking for sw. One told me straight up when we met and the second made it clear in her messages. She still had a regular job/intern but loved sex.

[Elvis 2008]

Not intending to make this beautiful forum political. So, looking for a one line high level answer, Steve.

Why do you say leave US? Political climate or economical climate or something else?

Is it just me or do you feel like our votes do not matter anymore? It seems like all the decisions are being made behind the scenes by bureaucrats and we do not know who they are. I was shocked when some Democrats on the political forum here actually said they would find Hiliary Clinton and Joe Biden guilty of the same law Trump has broken if they were indicted. Okay, if what Trump has done is worse than what the others did, then his punishment should be more severe, but if Pence, Hiliary, and Joe Biden broke the law, why did they skate? And who made that call? Will we ever really know?

Covid policies were run by the private company that is the CDC. We did not vote on Covid policies or even have our representatives vote on that. The only bipartisan thing being done now is spending money on wars. How much money do we need to spend on defense really? I don't know what you put the odds at of nuclear war with Russia, but one thing I was thinking about when I was in Colombia was, wouldn't it be nice not to have nuclear missiles aimed at the country you live in?

I saw this graph and today and it blew me away. https://mishtalk.com/economics/the-g...-in-the-1980s/.

I shake my head because I did feel wealthier and more optimistic in the mid 1980's than now.

My grandparents bought a lot on a lake in Michigan in the 1950's for $300. My parents sold it for $500,000 a few years ago. We used to swim, fish, build rafts, and water ski on that lake. It was open to everyone. Now it seems like it is just the elites. My cousins own a business up there and they have to import workers from Eastern Europe and the Caribbean to work for them. Doesn't it cost too much for people to have kids now? What is up with that?

I have made fun of the food in Colombia forever to the great offense of my gal but when we went up North of Bogota into the mountains, I had to apologize and eat crow. Beautiful country. You go like 30 MPH most of the time, behind slow moving trucks, occasionally you get a cow, dog, or chicken in the middle of the road. We stopped and got an arepa at a local joint not the typical corporate crap like you see in the USA. Simple. Delicious. Fresh squeezed OJ that was amazing. Do you know when you can just tell if you are eating good and fresh versus filled with preservatives and other crap?

So I meet my gal's family, and they are wonderful people. Family grows its own vegetables on a garden on their farm. Cows, horses, sheep, and goats have abundant fresh grass to eat. They also have a few places in the small town they rent out and one they live in. Housing is very affordable, and yes, I was told you can leave your front door unlocked.

I loaded in my gal, her daughter, and two of their cousins into our mini SUV and headed out for a day excursion. Sure, the gals have their phones and tik tok and IG and the like, but they are drawing, playing like I did when I was a kid, working real jobs, smart as whips, and happier and more talented than any other young Americans I have met.

So we go to a dinosaur museum, and it is really nice. Then we head to a chocolate museum. The town square is big, gorgeous, and the sun is setting over the mountains, a stunning view. The museum is a gem of elegance in a city that is quaint, and the chocolate, OMG the chocolate, I do not know if I have had better.

We then have dinner, and I saw a place with rotisserie chicken. Again, it is nothing fancy. I pay like $10 for five people to eat. It is simple. It is just chicken, arepas, and potatoes, but it was so fucking good and again your body is thanking you for eating it.

I look at the people and the women. Obesity is there but it is a fraction of what it is in the USA. The women have one kind of look to them but they were some amazing looking women in these country towns, and everyone was nice. I wonder to myself why the people are so thin and happy. Is it really because the people in the USA are so undisciplined or is it just because we have so much unhealthy and addictive shit put in our food? How happy can you be if you are morbidly overweight or obese?

When I was in Colombia, for sure there were the hooker types out for a buck but in no other country did I meet women who were really interested in me and not money. I even had one woman try to give me the money we agreed on back to me. Why were so many people in this country so much less materialistic than richer ones? And yeah, DF, I get Medellin is as materialistic as anyone in the world, but that is Medellin.

Yeah, the roads sucked. The internet sucked. The latest and greatest tech gizmos were not around, but does that really matter?

I agree that the USA is the best place to make a living, so I am not going to check out of the USA just yet, but something is fucked up when a nation as poor as Colombia seems to have people way more happy and healthy than we do.

[Ggekko2009]

Yeah don't want to go too political here either and caveat is I've only visited. But I would say I would say in nice European towns and villages there is a more old world feel. Classier. More respectful. Charming might be the word? The US feels like one big crass commercial these days in so many ways. Maybe I'm getting old but I like something a bit more classic and traditional (in my relationships too! Where women are women, not men. LOL).

Same here. In a decade or two, I will definitely be retiring anywhere else other than the US. Although I am not so much into Europe. Good to visit as a tourist but can't see myself living there. Just visited Lisbon and Madrid. Don't see the hype of these two cities or countries. Panama is still my preferred destination.