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  1. #5619
    Quote Originally Posted by NoBuglyFitches  [View Original Post]
    Of course, they are! Seeking women have sex for money, on the first or 2nd date, with the much older men to whom they are not particularly attracted. This is why seeking is being discussed on ISG in the first place. "Regular" women emphatically don't do that.
    One of my favorite escorts made her lawyer BF wait two months before having sex. And as far as what other women want, there was an escort booked up for months, and she told me she was going to a bar. I referred to the same thing you are referring to, her wanting a young stud, and she said, "No, when I go out, I hope that I meet a man much like you. ", and she said it with such conviction I believed her to my benefit. And I can assure you that when she did go to that bar, there was no neon sign saying escort on her.

    As for the men women want, I had a sugar baby who had a BF of that type, 6 pack abs and 10 inch cock, the kind of guy every woman wants right? Well, after a while, she got tired of all that female attention and she later found out, he was fucking other women on the side. She said she would never date someone more attractive than her ever again.

    And there was the time that a stripper had a squirting, shake the wall kind of orgasm when giving a lap dance to me. She refused to dance for me again. Finally, she tried once and got turned on and quit and said, "I do not trust myself with you. " I was so confused and a friend of hers explained to me that she had not had that kind of orgasm with her husband and that feeling scared her. You never really know how the men who look like they are the types women want perform in bed.

    In the USA with seeking, I never had a woman not set a price but when I did not mention price in Mexico and Colombia, there were times I got fucked without a promise of cash. I never had an escort go bareback with me in Mexico or Colombia, but I got BB more often than not from the women I met on seeking. Even if I offered escorts more, they would not do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by NoBuglyFitches  [View Original Post]
    For myself, I've come to see it as essentially a way to signal intelligence. In evolutionary terms, intelligence is a desirable trait; hence, it's sexually attractive like height or a chiseled jawline. But unlike the latter, it doesn't advertise itself. You need to demonstrate it effectively, to be your most attractive self, which feels great. At the same time you arouse her by stimulating her mind. An extra benefit is you learn to understand women a bit and get some idea of how they really feel about you.
    So you mean you don't care about how a seeking woman views you? LOL. I have a novel idea. Why don't you meet a woman off seeking and not mention price, dazzle her with your inellect, and see if you can get her into bed and to orgasm, and not give her any money.

    Quote Originally Posted by NoBuglyFitches  [View Original Post]
    No one can argue if you say that the "game" is not for you personally, but unless you tried it and succeeded, you can't really give advice to others.
    To the contrary, I have actually challenged other guys to do what I have done, and they have succeeded like I have. You are trapped in a prison of your own making. You do not think the women on seeking really want to go out with you. It is good that you are going outside of the hooker concept, but it is pretty clear you are wrestling with an inferiority complex.

  2. #5618
    Quote Originally Posted by Elvis2008  [View Original Post]
    You are talking about game in the sense of picking up women.
    Precisely. That was the OP's question and that's what the word means to most people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elvis2008  [View Original Post]
    When Dramafree was talking about the "game", he was talking about winning over a top shelf woman / women longer term.
    I'd say "renting" rather than winning: if he stops paying / supporting / helping them, they stop fucking. And vice versa. Contrary to what FB said, it is indeed transactional.

    I don't know what you mean by a "top shelf woman. " I just look for a someone that I'm personally happy with, sexually and otherwise.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elvis2008  [View Original Post]
    You are just making up in your head this false notion that seeking women and "regular" women are in two different camps. They are not.
    Of course, they are! Seeking women have sex for money, on the first or 2nd date, with the much older men to whom they are not particularly attracted. This is why seeking is being discussed on ISG in the first place. "Regular" women emphatically don't do that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elvis2008  [View Original Post]
    The fans of that book think the guy Mystery is great and a hero / stud because he could pick up women ... And it is those guys and guys like Mystery who are telling you that when you score women on seeking the women just like you for money. Why would I listen to broke ass guys? Or guys getting a woman in bed by bullshitting her rather than paying her? I think that is sick
    It's not about him as a person or his skills or method. He was 20 years ago anyway. It's about developing your own approach. It's also not bullshitting. For myself, I've come to see it as essentially a way to signal intelligence. In evolutionary terms, intelligence is a desirable trait; hence, it's sexually attractive like height or a chiseled jawline. But unlike the latter, it doesn't advertise itself. You need to demonstrate it effectively, to be your most attractive self, which feels great. At the same time you arouse her by stimulating her mind. An extra benefit is you learn to understand women a bit and get some idea of how they really feel about you.

    No one can argue if you say that the "game" is not for you personally, but unless you tried it and succeeded, you can't really give advice to others.

  3. #5617
    Quote Originally Posted by NoBuglyFitches  [View Original Post]
    Maybe his goal isn't to save money. It's to meet "regular girls," who don't sell it for money. And perhaps to have the ego boost of a hookup that didn't involve money.
    Quote Originally Posted by NoBuglyFitches  [View Original Post]
    A couple of posters implied that the two are comparable, so for the guys who might be new to both endeavors, let me talk about the differences as I see them. For the meaning of the word "game" in this context -- which some posters apparently don't know -- see, for example, the eponymous book by Neill Strauss.

    1. Meet-and-greet from Seeking means you already got a "first date," which is 1/3 of the task in vanilla. In vanilla, you need to approach, open (start a conversation), create attraction, get her digits / socials (or Tinder match), maintain her interest, and get her to come and meet you.

    2. At the M&G you are on a date with a woman who is in principle open to having sex, either that day or at the next date. In vanilla terms, you are already one-on-one with an "easy girl. " Heck, simply identifying girls who will fuck that day is a viable pick-up technique in itself.

    3. You are going into the M&G with built-in DHV (demonstration of higher value), because she believes / hopes you're a potential rich SD.

    4. You don't need to sweep her off her feet. She may not even want that -- or she risks a broken heart. You just need to be a normal, average-looking nice guy who's financially capable. Every vanilla date that ends with a kiss and a thank-you-I-had-a-great-time -- or worse, LJBF (let's just be friends) -- becomes a lay in sugarland.
    I did not intend to stir up this much controversy with my question hah. What I meant by regular girls were girls met somewhere other than seeking. Dating apps, coffee shop, etc. I was curious if experience from seeking had helped at all since I also go on vanilla dates, but not very successfully. I think sa has been helpful for just being more comfortable on dates, knowing which topics have worked before and also escalating physically. But I also agree with NBF's comparison post, especially point 4, and that sa is like training wheels.

  4. #5616
    Quote Originally Posted by DramaFree11  [View Original Post]
    You will love the city!! I pay between $2 O0-300. Do not bother paying in Pesos, just tell them no. If you say yes, they will just make additional demands.

    There just is not that many sex tourists running around here, so do not afraid to negotiate a little bit. Be fair and strive for a win-win deal.

    Things are definitely getting worse economically in Mexico, just like in America. The girls do not have as many options as a couple of years ago.

    I am here now, smoking hot girls everywhere. No wonder I get bored in MTY.
    This is interesting to hear, I heard alot of folks complaining that since the peso is inflated to the dollar and the amount of digital nomads coming in that prices are up for girls. But wouldn't be surprised, Mexico doesn't really seem like a hotspot for mongering compared to Colombia. This is a good thing and lets hope to keep it this way.

  5. #5615
    Quote Originally Posted by NoBuglyFitches  [View Original Post]
    A couple of posters implied that the two are comparable, so for the guys who might be new to both endeavors, let me talk about the differences as I see them. For the meaning of the word "game" in this context -- which some posters apparently don't know -- see, for example, the eponymous book by Neill Strauss.
    Quote Originally Posted by NoBuglyFitches  [View Original Post]
    Two out of my approx fifty sugars last year asked for dick picks. Both were legit. This is sugars only.
    Quote Originally Posted by NoBuglyFitches  [View Original Post]
    You are going into the M&G with built-in DHV (demonstration of higher value), because she believes / hopes you're a potential rich SD.
    When Dramafree was talking about the "game", he was talking about winning over a top shelf woman / women longer term. You are talking about game in the sense of picking up women.

    And I do not know why you think we would not know about that book. The fans of that book think the guy Mystery is great and a hero / stud because he could pick up women, but they are missing that he could not get a GF and was horribly depressed. He was literally an addict using women instead of drugs and no matter how high of a quality the last woman was, he would go for the new chasing a bigger high.

    He is literally bullshitting and using women. No woman I know would think a guy like this is high value. That is why he has to put on the "show" of value.

    What started this conversation was a guy looking to pick up "regular women" as if the women on seeking were all hookers. Some on the site most certainly are, but many if not most are on the site to avoid guys like mystery. They want high value guys not bullshit artists.

    When you said you can be an "average" looking guy and score on seeking, I was like wait a second. I have seen the number of PMs hot women get. You are probably top 5% if you even have a date with a hot seeking woman. You just think you are average because you have not seen all her other PMs.

    The other seeking advantage is that you know the women are seeking men. You go to a bar and you do know if the woman is really looking for men or not.

    The good looking guys who women bang and have no money are not taken seriously by most women long term. And it is those guys and guys like Mystery who are telling you that when you score women on seeking the women just like you for money. Why would I listen to broke ass guys? Or guys getting a woman in bed by bullshitting her rather than paying her? I think that is sick.

    I had a woman who was feeling bad about taking money for sex. I was like look at football players. Those are people being paid for using their bodies. Why is that okay and you not selling yours? I guess I did too good of a job because she went from being my SB to being an escort. It was funny to see her become literally the hottest woman in the escort world in my area for years, and she was not the best looking or performing SB I had.

    If you think the seeking women are all about money, you HAVE to think what she did was smart because she was killing it financially. Thing is when you work a job you hate, you tend to spend all that extra money on stupid shit that makes you feel better, and she definitely did that. The worst part was her baby daddy sued for child custody saying she was a hooker and he won. So when someone says these sugar baby prospects only care about money, they are saying that these women do not care about their children or their happiness which is pretty stupid when you think about it.

    I don't know what it means to have 50 sugars, and I am not sure I want to know. If I am sleeping with 50 women from seeking, and I think I can speak for Dramafree, winning the game / the goal is to get to the highest quality women. It is not to bang as much strange as you can, and that is what the website was designed for. I would not be surprised if one of his SBs turned escort, she was crazy popular too. I have personally seen the quality he gets.

    If guys use the site to just get laid and promote the image that all the women on it are hookers, there is a chance the site could be shut down. If it exists so women can use it to weed out the bullshit artists and to allow men to know which women are available, I think it stays strong. And to the OP, I can assure you that seeking women go to bars and other places and guys try to pick them up. You are just making up in your head this false notion that seeking women and "regular" women are in two different camps. They are not. The guys saying that are broke ass losers and bullshit artists.

  6. #5614
    Quote Originally Posted by DramaFree11  [View Original Post]
    You will love the city!! I pay between $2 O0-300. Do not bother paying in Pesos, just tell them no. If you say yes, they will just make additional demands.

    There just is not that many sex tourists running around here, so do not afraid to negotiate a little bit. Be fair and strive for a win-win deal.

    Things are definitely getting worse economically in Mexico, just like in America. The girls do not have as many options as a couple of years ago.

    I am here now, smoking hot girls everywhere. No wonder I get bored in MTY.
    Wow you are right. I've been successful in lining up a number of potential dates with some hot young adult girls in CDMX. Thanks for your tips. It appears to be (so far in my dealing on SA) so much easier than in the US.

  7. #5613
    Quote Originally Posted by NoBuglyFitches  [View Original Post]
    A couple of posters implied that the two are comparable, so for the guys who might be new to both endeavors, let me talk about the differences as I see them. For the meaning of the word "game" in this context -- which some posters apparently don't know -- see, for example, the eponymous book by Neill Strauss.

    1. Meet-and-greet from Seeking means you already got a "first date," which is 1/3 of the task in vanilla. In vanilla, you need to approach, open (start a conversation), create attraction, get her digits / socials (or Tinder match), maintain her interest, and get her to come and meet you.

    2. At the M&G you are on a date with a woman who is in principle open to having sex, either that day or at the next date. In vanilla terms, you are already one-on-one with an "easy girl. " Heck, simply identifying girls who will fuck that day is a viable pick-up technique in itself.

    3. You are going into the M&G with built-in DHV (demonstration of higher value), because she believes / hopes you're a potential rich SD.

    4. You don't need to sweep her off her feet. She may not even want that -- or she risks a broken heart. You just need to be a normal, average-looking nice guy who's financially capable. Every vanilla date that ends with a kiss and a thank-you-I-had-a-great-time -- or worse, LJBF (let's just be friends) -- becomes a lay in sugarland.
    I agree with you, however, in very competitive markets (very few hot girls and many dudes you are competing with) it is not that easy to get a girl's attention and make her meet you in person. Your profile has to stand out, your opening message needs to stand out, etc. Yes, it is easy to score an average looking girl who is down for p4 p. Good luck with the really hot ones. Me personally, I focus on top 5%-7% regardless of the platform and I find it very challenging to even get to the point of negotiating an arrangement. The number of dudes we are competing with is so high in some markets that most of the time I got left on read.

  8. #5612

    Vanilla Game vs Sugar

    A couple of posters implied that the two are comparable, so for the guys who might be new to both endeavors, let me talk about the differences as I see them. For the meaning of the word "game" in this context -- which some posters apparently don't know -- see, for example, the eponymous book by Neill Strauss.

    1. Meet-and-greet from Seeking means you already got a "first date," which is 1/3 of the task in vanilla. In vanilla, you need to approach, open (start a conversation), create attraction, get her digits / socials (or Tinder match), maintain her interest, and get her to come and meet you.

    2. At the M&G you are on a date with a woman who is in principle open to having sex, either that day or at the next date. In vanilla terms, you are already one-on-one with an "easy girl. " Heck, simply identifying girls who will fuck that day is a viable pick-up technique in itself.

    3. You are going into the M&G with built-in DHV (demonstration of higher value), because she believes / hopes you're a potential rich SD.

    4. You don't need to sweep her off her feet. She may not even want that -- or she risks a broken heart. You just need to be a normal, average-looking nice guy who's financially capable. Every vanilla date that ends with a kiss and a thank-you-I-had-a-great-time -- or worse, LJBF (let's just be friends) -- becomes a lay in sugarland.

  9. #5611
    Quote Originally Posted by Steve9696  [View Original Post]
    Of course no chick has ever asked for a dick pic in the history of mankind so I guess that's a tell.
    Two out of my approx fifty sugars last year asked for dick picks. Both were legit. One didn't want large, the other didn't want small. (Well, the latter was actually an opportunistic scammer and used fake pics too, but she was also a fantastic fuck.) This is sugars only. On the specialized apps for bwc / bbc, nearly every woman asks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve9696  [View Original Post]
    Jesus could you guys just leave it be? There is some core disagreement here. Not everyone needs to be right.
    Disagreement is useful. It advances knowledge, importantly of oneself. Being wrong is actually more valuable.

    I picked up on this question because my "goal" last year was to sugar date girls who were similar to my vanilla pickups from a while back.

  10. #5610
    Quote Originally Posted by NoBuglyFitches  [View Original Post]
    Glad you were entertained. My posts may come off as arrogant, so I don't post much.
    No, I do not think you represent your POV well.

    Quote Originally Posted by NoBuglyFitches  [View Original Post]
    Game is how you have sex with a woman for the first time without giving her money (and with a woman who doesn't have sex for money).
    Under that definition, a guy drugging or using violence has game and one who pays for it does not, and I do not think you meant that.

    IMO there is playing the game and winning and losing. Winning is getting a woman into bed under terms you accept and when the sex is over, you feel satisfied with the result.

    So if you meet a woman off seeking and she is motivated by greed, you are right. It is not winning getting her into bed. Maybe those are the only types you have met off seeking.

    I met a lot of seeking women motivated more by fear than greed and needed some persuasion. Among things they are worried about is their safety, how they feel about themselves, how they are going to be seen after having sex with you ETC. Soothing those fears and getting them into bed on acceptable terms to you is absolutely winning the game.

    As for the women and their motivations, I was engaged to a Venezuelan 30 years younger than me and I was seeing her in Peru. My time was up, and I was kissing her goodbye and got into a cab. The Peruvian cabbie said to me en route, "You have a pretty GF". Later, I thought why did he think GF and not hooker? And I realized it was how she looked at me and kissed me.

    I know women who met men through non sugar sites that are just after a guy's money, and I am sure you have too. I just don't think you have met a couple who has met on seeking that are really into each other, and I can assure you that they exist. It is just something they are not going to come out and admit.

    I get being skeptical on line, but in real life, if you saw such a couple, you could tell it was real just as easily as that Peruvian cabbie.

  11. #5609

    Horrifying

    Quote Originally Posted by Gfefan  [View Original Post]
    I was nearing the end of monthly SA subscription. So, was on a bit of "gathering numbers" mode. This story is no rocket science but some basics that will give us levers to escape unhurt. And, if possible, even mess with those low life scammers.

    So, found this profile. Joined 4 days ago. Good sign to net them early but opens us up to scammers (one need to be cautious here. I do reach out to newcomers by default as it gives me best scoring rate but I always have my guard up. Read on).

    Relatively quick response (not necessarily a redflag but observe these things).

    Quick chat on SA and moved to whatsapp. Again, not something I normally do but it is so convenient to chat off of SA.

    I have a burner phone. Thanks to early advice from seniors here. Always, always use burner phone. If they can Google your number, they can find the real you.

    A few chats and soon became sexy exchanges. The "girl" never spoke about money. Some interest in knowing me but relatively quick move to sex discussions (my favorite girls have teased me a little bit but didn't get explicit until we met and fucked once. So, this was a redflag).

    Later, "she" turned around and spoke some random stuff including her work bla. Bla. Seemed legit and was able to answer some of my follow up questions very specific to her work field.

    We keep chatting and it circles back to sexy topics. Sends me some nudes and I was expecting a $ ask. Nope. She didn't ask. At some point, she asks me for my pics.

    Listen carefully here. I side step the convo first. Later it comes back to. It. Now, I send a self-destructing pic. A pic if reverse image searched will lead to me but I have a plausible explanation to my family as any one can find me through that pic. That's my story. Says she couldn't see it. Pushes me to send again. I play along. Sent normal, non-destructing one. My antenna up.

    Then, she eggs me on for some nudes. I oblige but cleverly sent some dick pics from online (not mine). Never ever send a full nude that shows your face as well. If you feel the urge to or coaxed to. Send dick pic, yours or random dick but don't show face.

    We continue chatting, planning meeting, she swings back to work and few other things. I ask some locality specific questions. Answers match.

    At this point, I'm a little confused but leaning towards legit profile. Sex hungry. But, did not LT my guard down. Glad I didn't.

    A week of chatting, chat moving from work to locality to sex to food. The whole array. Finally, sends me my face pic and the dick pic, with screenshots of our sex convo. Demands $$ Boom. I did not panic. Because, these are the situations I prepare for.

    Face pic. I have plausible story. Dick pic. Not my dick. Workplace quoted by her. Not my work place. I don't reveal my true workplace even to my most favorite SB. Forget one I haven't even met. She threatens me that if I don't pay, she will make it public. I decide to have fun. Play along. Beg her to stop. Ask her what else she has on me. OMG. You are so smart. Just with my name, you found me. You got my workplace. I'm so sorry. I will give money blah. Blah.

    She goes time running out. I wasted her time for a while and then, sent back her nudes, her workplace yada. Yada. And turned the threat on her. She responds "you think I am an idiot? I had been cheating you all along. You think it's my real name, workplace?

    Truth is, I knew she would say that because I have googled her thoroughly. The name she had given was that of a 75 year old widow. The workplace she gave has no one by that name.

    Now, I turned around "so, what makes you think you have my true photo and dick and workplace? Go ahead. Make it public. I don't give a shit".

    It was so fun to make her believe she had me and then break that bubble.

    Two days later, I sent her "I am still waiting. No one knocking at my door with all those nudes you have on me". I also sent her screenshot of where her last login was from. It wasso much fun.

    Bottomline: do not let your guard down. Do not reveal your identity unless you have already met in person.
    Damn. That's horrifying that someone would go to those lengths. Of course no chick has ever asked for a dick pic in the history of mankind so I guess that's a tell. 😂 But damn I am used to the pizza flat tire and phone scams. This is next level!

  12. #5608

    Ah Brazil

    Quote Originally Posted by Nounce  [View Original Post]
    Spent whole day chatting with the first one, same result, she asked for it at the last minute, read the message to get a feel of her playbook. The second one is the direct approach that I brought up the compensation subject right away and I got similar answer as the first one.
    If only the US were as easy as Brasil. Been a bit since I fished the US pond because I have go to gals in most cities. I see why everyone is bitching. Man it's tough in US. But will eventually succeed. I always do!

  13. #5607
    Anyone dumb enough to send nudes to someone they've never met before probably doesn't have the money to be looking for an arrangement. I never understood where the excitement lies with nudes. It's all over the internet for free so why even bother asking someone for them?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gfefan  [View Original Post]
    I was nearing the end of monthly SA subscription. So, was on a bit of "gathering numbers" mode. This story is no rocket science but some basics that will give us levers to escape unhurt. And, if possible, even mess with those low life scammers.

    So, found this profile. Joined 4 days ago. Good sign to net them early but opens us up to scammers (one need to be cautious here. I do reach out to newcomers by default as it gives me best scoring rate but I always have my guard up. Read on).

    Relatively quick response (not necessarily a redflag but observe these things).

    Quick chat on SA and moved to whatsapp. Again, not something I normally do but it is so convenient to chat off of SA.

    I have a burner phone. Thanks to early advice from seniors here. Always, always use burner phone. If they can Google your number, they can find the real you.

    A few chats and soon became sexy exchanges. The "girl" never spoke about money. Some interest in knowing me but relatively quick move to sex discussions (my favorite girls have teased me a little bit but didn't get explicit until we met and fucked once. So, this was a redflag).

    Later, "she" turned around and spoke some random stuff including her work bla. Bla. Seemed legit and was able to answer some of my follow up questions very specific to her work field.

    We keep chatting and it circles back to sexy topics. Sends me some nudes and I was expecting a $ ask. Nope. She didn't ask. At some point, she asks me for my pics.

    Listen carefully here. I side step the convo first. Later it comes back to. It. Now, I send a self-destructing pic. A pic if reverse image searched will lead to me but I have a plausible explanation to my family as any one can find me through that pic. That's my story. Says she couldn't see it. Pushes me to send again. I play along. Sent normal, non-destructing one. My antenna up.

    Then, she eggs me on for some nudes. I oblige but cleverly sent some dick pics from online (not mine). Never ever send a full nude that shows your face as well. If you feel the urge to or coaxed to. Send dick pic, yours or random dick but don't show face.

    We continue chatting, planning meeting, she swings back to work and few other things. I ask some locality specific questions. Answers match.

    At this point, I'm a little confused but leaning towards legit profile. Sex hungry. But, did not LT my guard down. Glad I didn't.

    A week of chatting, chat moving from work to locality to sex to food. The whole array. Finally, sends me my face pic and the dick pic, with screenshots of our sex convo. Demands $$ Boom. I did not panic. Because, these are the situations I prepare for.

    Face pic. I have plausible story. Dick pic. Not my dick. Workplace quoted by her. Not my work place. I don't reveal my true workplace even to my most favorite SB. Forget one I haven't even met. She threatens me that if I don't pay, she will make it public. I decide to have fun. Play along. Beg her to stop. Ask her what else she has on me. OMG. You are so smart. Just with my name, you found me. You got my workplace. I'm so sorry. I will give money blah. Blah.

    She goes time running out. I wasted her time for a while and then, sent back her nudes, her workplace yada. Yada. And turned the threat on her. She responds "you think I am an idiot? I had been cheating you all along. You think it's my real name, workplace?

    Truth is, I knew she would say that because I have googled her thoroughly. The name she had given was that of a 75 year old widow. The workplace she gave has no one by that name.

    Now, I turned around "so, what makes you think you have my true photo and dick and workplace? Go ahead. Make it public. I don't give a shit".

    It was so fun to make her believe she had me and then break that bubble.

    Two days later, I sent her "I am still waiting. No one knocking at my door with all those nudes you have on me". I also sent her screenshot of where her last login was from. It wasso much fun.

    Bottomline: do not let your guard down. Do not reveal your identity unless you have already met in person.

  14. #5606
    Quote Originally Posted by Greyhat  [View Original Post]
    I am going to CDMX in two weeks and have been chatting with some girls on SA. What would you recommend the $$$ to pay? Do I pay in Pesos or USD?
    You will love the city!! I pay between $2 O0-300. Do not bother paying in Pesos, just tell them no. If you say yes, they will just make additional demands.

    There just is not that many sex tourists running around here, so do not afraid to negotiate a little bit. Be fair and strive for a win-win deal.

    Things are definitely getting worse economically in Mexico, just like in America. The girls do not have as many options as a couple of years ago.

    I am here now, smoking hot girls everywhere. No wonder I get bored in MTY.

  15. #5605

    Fucked around a scammer

    I was nearing the end of monthly SA subscription. So, was on a bit of "gathering numbers" mode. This story is no rocket science but some basics that will give us levers to escape unhurt. And, if possible, even mess with those low life scammers.

    So, found this profile. Joined 4 days ago. Good sign to net them early but opens us up to scammers (one need to be cautious here. I do reach out to newcomers by default as it gives me best scoring rate but I always have my guard up. Read on).

    Relatively quick response (not necessarily a redflag but observe these things).

    Quick chat on SA and moved to whatsapp. Again, not something I normally do but it is so convenient to chat off of SA.

    I have a burner phone. Thanks to early advice from seniors here. Always, always use burner phone. If they can Google your number, they can find the real you.

    A few chats and soon became sexy exchanges. The "girl" never spoke about money. Some interest in knowing me but relatively quick move to sex discussions (my favorite girls have teased me a little bit but didn't get explicit until we met and fucked once. So, this was a redflag).

    Later, "she" turned around and spoke some random stuff including her work bla. Bla. Seemed legit and was able to answer some of my follow up questions very specific to her work field.

    We keep chatting and it circles back to sexy topics. Sends me some nudes and I was expecting a $ ask. Nope. She didn't ask. At some point, she asks me for my pics.

    Listen carefully here. I side step the convo first. Later it comes back to. It. Now, I send a self-destructing pic. A pic if reverse image searched will lead to me but I have a plausible explanation to my family as any one can find me through that pic. That's my story. Says she couldn't see it. Pushes me to send again. I play along. Sent normal, non-destructing one. My antenna up.

    Then, she eggs me on for some nudes. I oblige but cleverly sent some dick pics from online (not mine). Never ever send a full nude that shows your face as well. If you feel the urge to or coaxed to. Send dick pic, yours or random dick but don't show face.

    We continue chatting, planning meeting, she swings back to work and few other things. I ask some locality specific questions. Answers match.

    At this point, I'm a little confused but leaning towards legit profile. Sex hungry. But, did not LT my guard down. Glad I didn't.

    A week of chatting, chat moving from work to locality to sex to food. The whole array. Finally, sends me my face pic and the dick pic, with screenshots of our sex convo. Demands $$ Boom. I did not panic. Because, these are the situations I prepare for.

    Face pic. I have plausible story. Dick pic. Not my dick. Workplace quoted by her. Not my work place. I don't reveal my true workplace even to my most favorite SB. Forget one I haven't even met. She threatens me that if I don't pay, she will make it public. I decide to have fun. Play along. Beg her to stop. Ask her what else she has on me. OMG. You are so smart. Just with my name, you found me. You got my workplace. I'm so sorry. I will give money blah. Blah.

    She goes time running out. I wasted her time for a while and then, sent back her nudes, her workplace yada. Yada. And turned the threat on her. She responds "you think I am an idiot? I had been cheating you all along. You think it's my real name, workplace?

    Truth is, I knew she would say that because I have googled her thoroughly. The name she had given was that of a 75 year old widow. The workplace she gave has no one by that name.

    Now, I turned around "so, what makes you think you have my true photo and dick and workplace? Go ahead. Make it public. I don't give a shit".

    It was so fun to make her believe she had me and then break that bubble.

    Two days later, I sent her "I am still waiting. No one knocking at my door with all those nudes you have on me". I also sent her screenshot of where her last login was from. It wasso much fun.

    Bottomline: do not let your guard down. Do not reveal your identity unless you have already met in person.

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