Seeking Arrangements

**Elvis 2008** · 03-19-24 01:03

Originally Posted by NoBuglyFitches [View Original Post]

Glad you were entertained. My posts may come off as arrogant, so I don't post much.

No, I do not think you represent your POV well.

Originally Posted by NoBuglyFitches [View Original Post]

Game is how you have sex with a woman for the first time without giving her money (and with a woman who doesn't have sex for money).

Under that definition, a guy drugging or using violence has game and one who pays for it does not, and I do not think you meant that.

IMO there is playing the game and winning and losing. Winning is getting a woman into bed under terms you accept and when the sex is over, you feel satisfied with the result.

So if you meet a woman off seeking and she is motivated by greed, you are right. It is not winning getting her into bed. Maybe those are the only types you have met off seeking.

I met a lot of seeking women motivated more by fear than greed and needed some persuasion. Among things they are worried about is their safety, how they feel about themselves, how they are going to be seen after having sex with you ETC. Soothing those fears and getting them into bed on acceptable terms to you is absolutely winning the game.

As for the women and their motivations, I was engaged to a Venezuelan 30 years younger than me and I was seeing her in Peru. My time was up, and I was kissing her goodbye and got into a cab. The Peruvian cabbie said to me en route, "You have a pretty GF". Later, I thought why did he think GF and not hooker? And I realized it was how she looked at me and kissed me.

I know women who met men through non sugar sites that are just after a guy's money, and I am sure you have too. I just don't think you have met a couple who has met on seeking that are really into each other, and I can assure you that they exist. It is just something they are not going to come out and admit.

I get being skeptical on line, but in real life, if you saw such a couple, you could tell it was real just as easily as that Peruvian cabbie.

**Steve 9696** · 03-19-24 00:21

Originally Posted by Gfefan [View Original Post]

I was nearing the end of monthly SA subscription. So, was on a bit of "gathering numbers" mode. This story is no rocket science but some basics that will give us levers to escape unhurt. And, if possible, even mess with those low life scammers.

So, found this profile. Joined 4 days ago. Good sign to net them early but opens us up to scammers (one need to be cautious here. I do reach out to newcomers by default as it gives me best scoring rate but I always have my guard up. Read on).

Relatively quick response (not necessarily a redflag but observe these things).

Quick chat on SA and moved to whatsapp. Again, not something I normally do but it is so convenient to chat off of SA.

I have a burner phone. Thanks to early advice from seniors here. Always, always use burner phone. If they can Google your number, they can find the real you.

A few chats and soon became sexy exchanges. The "girl" never spoke about money. Some interest in knowing me but relatively quick move to sex discussions (my favorite girls have teased me a little bit but didn't get explicit until we met and fucked once. So, this was a redflag).

Later, "she" turned around and spoke some random stuff including her work bla. Bla. Seemed legit and was able to answer some of my follow up questions very specific to her work field.

We keep chatting and it circles back to sexy topics. Sends me some nudes and I was expecting a $ ask. Nope. She didn't ask. At some point, she asks me for my pics.

Listen carefully here. I side step the convo first. Later it comes back to. It. Now, I send a self-destructing pic. A pic if reverse image searched will lead to me but I have a plausible explanation to my family as any one can find me through that pic. That's my story. Says she couldn't see it. Pushes me to send again. I play along. Sent normal, non-destructing one. My antenna up.

Then, she eggs me on for some nudes. I oblige but cleverly sent some dick pics from online (not mine). Never ever send a full nude that shows your face as well. If you feel the urge to or coaxed to. Send dick pic, yours or random dick but don't show face.

We continue chatting, planning meeting, she swings back to work and few other things. I ask some locality specific questions. Answers match.

At this point, I'm a little confused but leaning towards legit profile. Sex hungry. But, did not LT my guard down. Glad I didn't.

A week of chatting, chat moving from work to locality to sex to food. The whole array. Finally, sends me my face pic and the dick pic, with screenshots of our sex convo. Demands $$ Boom. I did not panic. Because, these are the situations I prepare for.

Face pic. I have plausible story. Dick pic. Not my dick. Workplace quoted by her. Not my work place. I don't reveal my true workplace even to my most favorite SB. Forget one I haven't even met. She threatens me that if I don't pay, she will make it public. I decide to have fun. Play along. Beg her to stop. Ask her what else she has on me. OMG. You are so smart. Just with my name, you found me. You got my workplace. I'm so sorry. I will give money blah. Blah.

She goes time running out. I wasted her time for a while and then, sent back her nudes, her workplace yada. Yada. And turned the threat on her. She responds "you think I am an idiot? I had been cheating you all along. You think it's my real name, workplace?

Truth is, I knew she would say that because I have googled her thoroughly. The name she had given was that of a 75 year old widow. The workplace she gave has no one by that name.

Now, I turned around "so, what makes you think you have my true photo and dick and workplace? Go ahead. Make it public. I don't give a shit".

It was so fun to make her believe she had me and then break that bubble.

Two days later, I sent her "I am still waiting. No one knocking at my door with all those nudes you have on me". I also sent her screenshot of where her last login was from. It wasso much fun.

Bottomline: do not let your guard down. Do not reveal your identity unless you have already met in person.

Damn. That's horrifying that someone would go to those lengths. Of course no chick has ever asked for a dick pic in the history of mankind so I guess that's a tell. 😂 But damn I am used to the pizza flat tire and phone scams. This is next level!

**Steve 9696** · 03-19-24 00:19

Originally Posted by Nounce [View Original Post]

Spent whole day chatting with the first one, same result, she asked for it at the last minute, read the message to get a feel of her playbook. The second one is the direct approach that I brought up the compensation subject right away and I got similar answer as the first one.

If only the US were as easy as Brasil. Been a bit since I fished the US pond because I have go to gals in most cities. I see why everyone is bitching. Man it's tough in US. But will eventually succeed. I always do!

**FilthyBeaver** · 03-18-24 22:41

Anyone dumb enough to send nudes to someone they've never met before probably doesn't have the money to be looking for an arrangement. I never understood where the excitement lies with nudes. It's all over the internet for free so why even bother asking someone for them?

Originally Posted by Gfefan [View Original Post]

I was nearing the end of monthly SA subscription. So, was on a bit of "gathering numbers" mode. This story is no rocket science but some basics that will give us levers to escape unhurt. And, if possible, even mess with those low life scammers.

So, found this profile. Joined 4 days ago. Good sign to net them early but opens us up to scammers (one need to be cautious here. I do reach out to newcomers by default as it gives me best scoring rate but I always have my guard up. Read on).

Relatively quick response (not necessarily a redflag but observe these things).

Quick chat on SA and moved to whatsapp. Again, not something I normally do but it is so convenient to chat off of SA.

I have a burner phone. Thanks to early advice from seniors here. Always, always use burner phone. If they can Google your number, they can find the real you.

A few chats and soon became sexy exchanges. The "girl" never spoke about money. Some interest in knowing me but relatively quick move to sex discussions (my favorite girls have teased me a little bit but didn't get explicit until we met and fucked once. So, this was a redflag).

Later, "she" turned around and spoke some random stuff including her work bla. Bla. Seemed legit and was able to answer some of my follow up questions very specific to her work field.

We keep chatting and it circles back to sexy topics. Sends me some nudes and I was expecting a $ ask. Nope. She didn't ask. At some point, she asks me for my pics.

Listen carefully here. I side step the convo first. Later it comes back to. It. Now, I send a self-destructing pic. A pic if reverse image searched will lead to me but I have a plausible explanation to my family as any one can find me through that pic. That's my story. Says she couldn't see it. Pushes me to send again. I play along. Sent normal, non-destructing one. My antenna up.

Then, she eggs me on for some nudes. I oblige but cleverly sent some dick pics from online (not mine). Never ever send a full nude that shows your face as well. If you feel the urge to or coaxed to. Send dick pic, yours or random dick but don't show face.

We continue chatting, planning meeting, she swings back to work and few other things. I ask some locality specific questions. Answers match.

At this point, I'm a little confused but leaning towards legit profile. Sex hungry. But, did not LT my guard down. Glad I didn't.

A week of chatting, chat moving from work to locality to sex to food. The whole array. Finally, sends me my face pic and the dick pic, with screenshots of our sex convo. Demands $$ Boom. I did not panic. Because, these are the situations I prepare for.

Face pic. I have plausible story. Dick pic. Not my dick. Workplace quoted by her. Not my work place. I don't reveal my true workplace even to my most favorite SB. Forget one I haven't even met. She threatens me that if I don't pay, she will make it public. I decide to have fun. Play along. Beg her to stop. Ask her what else she has on me. OMG. You are so smart. Just with my name, you found me. You got my workplace. I'm so sorry. I will give money blah. Blah.

She goes time running out. I wasted her time for a while and then, sent back her nudes, her workplace yada. Yada. And turned the threat on her. She responds "you think I am an idiot? I had been cheating you all along. You think it's my real name, workplace?

Truth is, I knew she would say that because I have googled her thoroughly. The name she had given was that of a 75 year old widow. The workplace she gave has no one by that name.

Now, I turned around "so, what makes you think you have my true photo and dick and workplace? Go ahead. Make it public. I don't give a shit".

It was so fun to make her believe she had me and then break that bubble.

Two days later, I sent her "I am still waiting. No one knocking at my door with all those nudes you have on me". I also sent her screenshot of where her last login was from. It wasso much fun.

Bottomline: do not let your guard down. Do not reveal your identity unless you have already met in person.

**DramaFree11** · 03-18-24 22:40

Originally Posted by Greyhat [View Original Post]

I am going to CDMX in two weeks and have been chatting with some girls on SA. What would you recommend the $$$ to pay? Do I pay in Pesos or USD?

You will love the city!! I pay between $2 O0-300. Do not bother paying in Pesos, just tell them no. If you say yes, they will just make additional demands.

There just is not that many sex tourists running around here, so do not afraid to negotiate a little bit. Be fair and strive for a win-win deal.

Things are definitely getting worse economically in Mexico, just like in America. The girls do not have as many options as a couple of years ago.

I am here now, smoking hot girls everywhere. No wonder I get bored in MTY.

**Gfefan** · 03-18-24 21:08

I was nearing the end of monthly SA subscription. So, was on a bit of "gathering numbers" mode. This story is no rocket science but some basics that will give us levers to escape unhurt. And, if possible, even mess with those low life scammers.

So, found this profile. Joined 4 days ago. Good sign to net them early but opens us up to scammers (one need to be cautious here. I do reach out to newcomers by default as it gives me best scoring rate but I always have my guard up. Read on).

Relatively quick response (not necessarily a redflag but observe these things).

Quick chat on SA and moved to whatsapp. Again, not something I normally do but it is so convenient to chat off of SA.

I have a burner phone. Thanks to early advice from seniors here. Always, always use burner phone. If they can Google your number, they can find the real you.

A few chats and soon became sexy exchanges. The "girl" never spoke about money. Some interest in knowing me but relatively quick move to sex discussions (my favorite girls have teased me a little bit but didn't get explicit until we met and fucked once. So, this was a redflag).

Later, "she" turned around and spoke some random stuff including her work bla. Bla. Seemed legit and was able to answer some of my follow up questions very specific to her work field.

We keep chatting and it circles back to sexy topics. Sends me some nudes and I was expecting a $ ask. Nope. She didn't ask. At some point, she asks me for my pics.

Listen carefully here. I side step the convo first. Later it comes back to. It. Now, I send a self-destructing pic. A pic if reverse image searched will lead to me but I have a plausible explanation to my family as any one can find me through that pic. That's my story. Says she couldn't see it. Pushes me to send again. I play along. Sent normal, non-destructing one. My antenna up.

Then, she eggs me on for some nudes. I oblige but cleverly sent some dick pics from online (not mine). Never ever send a full nude that shows your face as well. If you feel the urge to or coaxed to. Send dick pic, yours or random dick but don't show face.

We continue chatting, planning meeting, she swings back to work and few other things. I ask some locality specific questions. Answers match.

At this point, I'm a little confused but leaning towards legit profile. Sex hungry. But, did not LT my guard down. Glad I didn't.

A week of chatting, chat moving from work to locality to sex to food. The whole array. Finally, sends me my face pic and the dick pic, with screenshots of our sex convo. Demands $$ Boom. I did not panic. Because, these are the situations I prepare for.

Face pic. I have plausible story. Dick pic. Not my dick. Workplace quoted by her. Not my work place. I don't reveal my true workplace even to my most favorite SB. Forget one I haven't even met. She threatens me that if I don't pay, she will make it public. I decide to have fun. Play along. Beg her to stop. Ask her what else she has on me. OMG. You are so smart. Just with my name, you found me. You got my workplace. I'm so sorry. I will give money blah. Blah.

She goes time running out. I wasted her time for a while and then, sent back her nudes, her workplace yada. Yada. And turned the threat on her. She responds "you think I am an idiot? I had been cheating you all along. You think it's my real name, workplace?

Truth is, I knew she would say that because I have googled her thoroughly. The name she had given was that of a 75 year old widow. The workplace she gave has no one by that name.

Now, I turned around "so, what makes you think you have my true photo and dick and workplace? Go ahead. Make it public. I don't give a shit".

It was so fun to make her believe she had me and then break that bubble.

Two days later, I sent her "I am still waiting. No one knocking at my door with all those nudes you have on me". I also sent her screenshot of where her last login was from. It wasso much fun.

Bottomline: do not let your guard down. Do not reveal your identity unless you have already met in person.

**Nounce** · 03-18-24 20:52

Spent whole day chatting with the first one, same result, she asked for it at the last minute, read the message to get a feel of her playbook. The second one is the direct approach that I brought up the compensation subject right away and I got similar answer as the first one.

**FilthyBeaver** · 03-18-24 20:47

As someone who's admittedly very picky I've noticed quality has gone down and expectations have gone up. Wanting to get paid for an initial meet & greet. Want this or that, etc. There's an entitlement I'm seeing with this generation, I see it on my employees or prospective emoloyees less than 25. I guess their parents don't teach them that the world owes them nothing and the only (reliable) way to get what you want is hard work. And, to kill a dead horse, time and effort are definitely currencies when it comes to getting what you want. It takes money to make money is another good one my parents taught me. If she thinks of her time as money she's going to need to invest a little before she gets a winner. Same goes for us.

I bang a hottie regularly but I've been seeing her for almost a year now. Long slim waist, 5'10, girl next door face. Going back to the trough when this one ends is going to be rough as she's definitely a keeper. I keep my mongering in other countries as I'm fairly certain I can't do much better at home and therefore don't even try.

Originally Posted by Steve9696 [View Original Post]

Jesus could you guys just leave it be? There is some core disagreement here. Not everyone needs to be right.

Anyone actually fuck a hottie recently?

Been struggling w SA of late to score a hottie in a large central US city. Chat chat chat. Can u send me $50 for books? Can u send me $75 for a flat tire? Fucking exhausting. Gonna keep at it till I score one!!

**Nounce** · 03-18-24 20:42

Originally Posted by TheCane [View Original Post]

I don't miss that BS at all! Can't wait for my next trip. Different set of questions. Like how much? OK, sounds good let's go! LOLOLOLOLOL!

Like this, done deal in 30 minutes. To provide more context, I looked at myself, why would this hot girl give me her WhatsApp considering our age gap and everything else. Give me another explanation than the one I already have. I confirm with them about certain thing so when they gave me their number, I already know they care only about money.

I am giving you a reason why I did it this way, not trying to argue other approaches because others have their own reason.

**Gfefan** · 03-18-24 20:36

Yes. Let's keep the forum fun and informative. No judgements.

I found a keeper in the US. Finally. Have met her quite a few times now. Both if us tested clean, ditched condoms, and are into barebacking. She is brilliant in BJ. She has BC (the thing that goes in arm) but I'm not doing CIP yet. Perhaps, paranoid.

She is able to host and 300 ppm. I think I give her more (like she gifts in addition to ppm precisely because she doesn't ask for more).

I also had more fun "fucking" around a scammer. More on it as a separate post. But gosh, what fun it was to mess with those low life!

Originally Posted by Steve9696 [View Original Post]

Jesus could you guys just leave it be? There is some core disagreement here. Not everyone needs to be right.

Anyone actually fuck a hottie recently? 😜.

Been struggling w SA of late to score a hottie in a large central US city. Chat chat chat. Can u send me $50 for books? Can u send me $75 for a flat tire? Fucking exhausting. Gonna keep at it till I score one!!

**DramaFree11** · 03-18-24 19:35

Originally Posted by Steve9696 [View Original Post]

Jesus could you guys just leave it be? There is some core disagreement here. Not everyone needs to be right.

Anyone actually fuck a hottie recently?

Been struggling w SA of late to score a hottie in a large central US city. Chat chat chat. Can u send me $50 for books? Can u send me $75 for a flat tire? Fucking exhausting. Gonna keep at it till I score one!!

Yep, I am in CDMX having a great time and also being productive at work. I have 3-4 meetings today and the same tomorrow. I love SA.

Traveling back Texas 5 am Wednesday go directly to work. Work through the weekend then back to MTY.

Life is very good!!

**The Cane** · 03-18-24 16:44

Originally Posted by Steve9696 [View Original Post]

Been struggling w SA of late to score a hottie in a large central US city. Chat chat chat. Can u send me $50 for books? Can u send me $75 for a flat tire? Fucking exhausting. Gonna keep at it till I score one!!

I don't miss that BS at all! Can't wait for my next trip. Different set of questions. Like how much? OK, sounds good let's go! LOLOLOLOLOL!

**Steve 9696** · 03-18-24 16:27

Jesus could you guys just leave it be? There is some core disagreement here. Not everyone needs to be right.

Anyone actually fuck a hottie recently? 😜.

Been struggling w SA of late to score a hottie in a large central US city. Chat chat chat. Can u send me $50 for books? Can u send me $75 for a flat tire? Fucking exhausting. Gonna keep at it till I score one!!

**The Cane** · 03-18-24 15:56

Originally Posted by NoBuglyFitches [View Original Post]

Why do you assume the OP has no hook on his line (ie not attractive -- is that what you meant to imply)? I respect the hard work of the time equals money crowd, but some guys here have a different reality. Some already make more than enough money via passive investment income.

Do you? Why do you assume that I was trying to imply something? Because I wasn't trying to imply anything. As I said, I had an old friend (God rest his soul) who used to do that. That's what made me think about that. For him, actually catching a fish wasn't important. It was the calm solitude in deep thought that mattered most. Oh, and I'm about to become one of those guys who makes more than enough money from my passive investments that I'll no longer need to spend my time chasing dollars either. That's about to become my reality too after spending years (time) making and investing money for my clients, my firm, and myself. Hallelujah!

**NoBuglyFitches** · 03-18-24 15:43

Originally Posted by TheCane [View Original Post]

Sit there all day long without even a hook on the line!

Why do you assume the OP has no hook on his line (ie not attractive -- is that what you meant to imply)? He may well be successful. Besides, game and p4 p are not mutually exclusive.