Seeking Arrangements

[Greyhat]

Sorry, I have been crazy busy at work. I will add a a few things to my previous reports and Elvis summary. MTY is cool, but most of the girls I am still in contact I met during Covid. After Covid MTY got a lot harder and way more expensive. The girls prices are still reasonable, but everything else is way more expensive. For a short trip, I will definitely stick with CDMX or Tijuana.

MTY is all about the long game and multiple trips, but it is just not that great anymore, hot new girls are hard to come by now. As Elvis said there is a lot of big local money in MTY now. Also, many girls parents are super strict and controlling, so many can only meet during the days and early evening, sounds crazy, but many families in MTY are old school Catholics. Both cities are very safe for foreigners.

There are some super hot girls in San Pedro, but many of those girls are not available to foreigners, for a variety of reasons. Also, lodging is up 40-60 percent now, so if you are careful in CDMX and do not blow a bunch or money at the restaurant / bars CDMX is cheaper. CDMX has so many opportunities for hot chicks, plus the city is great for walking, and food is way better in CDMX.

For me long term stick with CDMX, for a short trip go to Tijuana. Tijuana is so much for a weekend, they also have great food..

I am going to CDMX in two weeks and have been chatting with some girls on SA. What would you recommend the $$$ to pay? Do I pay in Pesos or USD?

[Toni36]

You can't always buy services of a particular woman or place, but you can always buy sex elsewhere.
I didn't say it was transactional; it just isn't game. Game is how you have sex with a woman for the first time without giving her money (and with a woman who doesn't have sex for money).

Why pay for a taxi? It just isn't game. Game is how you ride a camel for the first time without spending money.

Why pay for eating at a 5-star restaurant? It just isn't game. Game is how you travel to different parts of the world and collect all the ingredients so you can cook for yourself.

Why pay for watching the best movies in the cinemas? It just isn't game. Game is how you download movies illegally and watch them on your laptop without spending money.

Why pay for buying nice clothes? It just isn't game. Game is how you kill sheep to make wool and tailor your own clothes without spending money.

Why pay for buying a phone? It just isn't game. Game is how you use pigeons to send and receive messages without spending money.

[NoBuglyFitches]

I've been turned down in a *****house three times. ...

You can't always buy services of a particular woman or place, but you can always buy sex elsewhere.

I've had sbs bring up marriage and cry when we've broken up. The dynamic is anything but transactional if you do it right.

I didn't say it was transactional; it just isn't game. Game is how you have sex with a woman for the first time without giving her money (and with a woman who doesn't have sex for money).

Glad you were entertained. My posts may come off as arrogant, so I don't post much.

[NoBuglyFitches]

Nobodt. You are a clown, I am not sure what you are trying to accomplish by arguing with everyone. .

In this case, I don't argue -- I educate. Some fragile egos with thousands of posts take don't take it well; I hope they add me to their ignore list.

How many women have you been with (with no money involved, obviously)? Is it more than 50 -- is it even more than 5? How many of those involved pickup and game: met a girl you didn't know in a public place, created attraction based on saying and doing the right things at the right time, and closed the deal preferably the same day? I suspect the answer is zero for you and many others who replied. You are not a PUA (pickup artist) and never were and that's ok.

You and others don't need to feel embarrassed about paying for it and cover it up by saying that everybody pays for it, or that it's better to pay, or that the girl would have dated you for free etc. We all purchase sex; that's what this forum is for.

Just got to understand that if you also have game, you can meet many more women, have many more options and have many different experiences. I wanted to tell the OP that time spent on learning "game / pickup" is time well spent and enjoyable, especially for a younger man, but this is obviously the wrong forum for it. I said that no one here, including me, had any relevant and current experience, and your replies proved me right.

[Elvis 2008]

There is no 'game' if we are paying LOL! PU is a lot of work. You got to go where the girls are, max out your looks and profile, be on the top of your game, and still contend with a lot of failed approaches and "I-like-you-but" dates with girls who are quite average by sugar standards. If you got a big dick, there are specialized apps for women / couples looking for that, but it's a buyer's market even there and same story -- girls are not the hottest (but they ARE horny for you).

I take it back. Maybe you do have a little experience on seeking. Thing is you are going for average to ugly women with a very low yield on time spent. I was never interested in being with average looking women and I do not think a lot of guys on here are.

Not the same "game" -- he was asking about picking up regular girls, with no money involved.

If I meet a woman at a club (or beach, or bookstore, or tinder, or feeld or whatever), we meet, fuck and never see each other again, how did I pay "indirectly"?

If you are at a club, you are buying them drinks or they are likely drunk right? That is the other part of the story about guys who do not pay for it. They do not mention the pills or powder in their pockets that they give to the women. Yeah, you can get some lookers that way but it is just another form of payment.

[Elvis 2008]

Time is not money. If it were, how much dollar value would you assign to your thousands of posts on this forum; did you donate this time-money to ISG?

Have you ever had a job? Do you work every second of it or do you have free time where you are getting paid and you can post here for fun?

The difference is that everyone can purchase sex with money, but not everyone can "purchase" sex with just their time, game, charisma etc. Put differently, you may feel that "the money I gave the woman does not count either," but there is no game here; there is nothing you can share with another guy, like OP, asking about using game to meet regular girls.

Even if you believe you needed or used game on your sugar date, you have no way of knowing if your game was any good. That's what I meant by saying there is no game when you are paying.

Yeah, I do not think you have a job or been on a seeking date. This is just the tired old game of all the seeking women are hookers. When you are saying anyone can "purchase" sex, you are under the assumption that every woman off seeking will take a buck for sex. You would know that is not true if you had been on meet and greets. It takes game to close the deal with a lot of the women off the site. DF is right. You are a pretender.

[DramaFree11]

Time is not money. If it were, how much dollar value would you assign to your thousands of posts on this forum; did you donate this time-money to ISG? It'll take me 5 minutes to write this post; I could not translate those 5 minutes into money.

Yes, I said the same thing. If you can afford to pay, and what you want is sex, purchasing it is the way to go.

I said time on texts and dates didn't count; that's what game is that was the OP's question. Didn't say anything about expenses.

Yes, I said the same thing, word for word. To repeat, the OP was asking about game for picking up regular women.

The difference is that everyone can purchase sex with money, but not everyone can "purchase" sex with just their time, game, charisma etc. Put differently, you may feel that "the money I gave the woman does not count either," but there is no game here; there is nothing you can share with another guy, like OP, asking about using game to meet regular girls.

Even if you believe you needed or used game on your sugar date, you have no way of knowing if your game was any good. That's what I meant by saying there is no game when you are paying.

Nobodt. You are a clown, I am not sure what you are trying to accomplish by arguing with everyone. If you do not understand that time is equal to money, then you have a lot to learn.

[FilthyBeaver]

I've been turned down in a *****house three times. I am particularly proud of all three occasions.

BTW, does a 200 k car make up for the fact I only wear 1 k suits? This is the most fun I've had here in a while lmao.

The difference is that everyone can purchase sex with money, but not everyone can "purchase" sex with just their time, game, charisma etc. Put differently, you may feel that "the money I gave the woman does not count either," but there is no game here; there is nothing you can share with another guy, like OP, asking about using game to meet regular girls.

[The Cane]

Time is not money. If it were, how much dollar value would you assign to your thousands of posts on this forum; did you donate this time-money to ISG? It'll take me 5 minutes to write this post; I could not translate those 5 minutes into money.

And that's exactly why some people have lots of money and others don't (and never will), among other reasons. And please remember the totality of what I said. I said that although time is money, all time spent isn't meant to be focused on making money. But you can still monetize your time nevertheless. And I can assure you I've spent plenty of time making money bro. I been fucking these tutes all around the world! So go fishing. Sit there all day long without even a hook on the line! I had an old friend who used to do that that. Because even though time is money, that doesn't mean one ought to be consumed with making money all of the time.

[NoBuglyFitches]

Because anyone who knows anything about money understands that time is money.

Time is not money. If it were, how much dollar value would you assign to your thousands of posts on this forum; did you donate this time-money to ISG? It'll take me 5 minutes to write this post; I could not translate those 5 minutes into money.

No time for wading around in knee-deep bullshit!

Yes, I said the same thing. If you can afford to pay, and what you want is sex, purchasing it is the way to go.

LOL. The $2,000 suits, the $100,000 car, the $20 drinks do not count? Since when? .

I said time on texts and dates didn't count; that's what game is that was the OP's question. Didn't say anything about expenses.

the pool of women I met on seeking blew away any I met in real life... picking up "regular women" at bars is more emotionally and financially costly than having a SB. You are going to strike out a helluva lot more

Yes, I said the same thing, word for word. To repeat, the OP was asking about game for picking up regular women.

Given your accounting method and saying the hours fishing do not count, I would counter and say if I like my job and make money at it, then the money I gave the woman does not count either.

The difference is that everyone can purchase sex with money, but not everyone can "purchase" sex with just their time, game, charisma etc. Put differently, you may feel that "the money I gave the woman does not count either," but there is no game here; there is nothing you can share with another guy, like OP, asking about using game to meet regular girls.

Even if you believe you needed or used game on your sugar date, you have no way of knowing if your game was any good. That's what I meant by saying there is no game when you are paying.

[FilthyBeaver]

This topic is very entertaining. I love the business I built and.

Do not consider it work therefore what I give the girls is a big fat grin; oh and $300-$1500 depending on where I am in the world and how hot they are! Lmfao.

I've had sbs bring up marriage and cry when we've broken up. The dynamic is anything but transactional if you do it right.

LOL. The $2,000 suits, the $100,000 car, the $20 drinks do not count? Since when? Like DF, I was with a girl who was telling me about her boyfriends, and she is telling me that she will cut her BF's dick off if he sees other women. Meanwhile, she just fucked me and I was fucking other women. When guys like you said I was paying for sex, was I or was I paying to not have to deal with comments like getting my dick cut off?

What I do not think you get is the women who have affairs with married men pick out the same qualities in the married man that they want in a BF. Early on, in my seeking life, I thought, "Oh, I can be a SD for these women but never their BF. They just like me for money", and it was not true. I finally understood that most if not all would have gladly accepted me as a BF with the condition I stop seeing all the other women. And until the very end, there was not one woman I said who was worth my monogamy. I would rather have been a SD playing the field who is paying then a BF seeing one woman who gets it for "free". When I want to fuck a woman and not pay them, that is the ultimate compliment to the woman from me.

Sorry, but for me, it is easier and more cost effective to work and make money then get the latest suits and buy $100,000 cars, and the pool of women I met on seeking blew away any I met in real life. Is she quality if she is banging a bunch of different guys and doing one night stands? I would say no. So you have poor quality women who fuck anyone, high quality women who want you to commit, potentially high quality women who are SBs who do not insist on monogamy, or hookers. Those are you realistic choices.

The truth is the more socially acceptable the pussy is the more it costs. Wives cost the most, and street walkers cost the least and picking up "regular women" at bars is more emotionally and financially costly than having a SB. You are going to strike out a helluva lot more at a bar than with a SB no matter who you are. That is more time you are saying does not count right?

So don't play games with us with like the fishing thing. Given your accounting method and saying the hours fishing do not count, I would counter and say if I like my job and make money at it, then the money I gave the woman does not count either.

[Elvis 2008]

I guess what I'm asking is, is Monterrey a cool city to visit?

For example Cdmx has so much to offer. Shopping in Polanco, great restaurants everywhere, amazing bars, so many museums. You could spend a lot of time doing great tourist stuff.

Is Monterrey a good city to visit if you wanted to do more than bang girls?

Yes, but you will run out of touristy things to do after a few days.

Shopping? Yes. I think the Fashion drive mall is nicer than any CDMX mall. Restaurants? Fuck yes. Museums? A few not even close to CDMX. The most touristy things are the river walk, fundidora park, and hiking in the mountains. DF drives to MTY and so stays in the more ritzy San Pedro area. I usually fly and stay downtown where there is a square closed off to cars and is walkable. There is a Fiesta Americana (nicest), Sheraton Ambassador, and Krystal hotel right near the more walkable downtown area.

But yeah, it is cool. You should check it out. It is not a dive like Tijuana is.

[Elvis 2008]

Spending hours on dates and text game did not count as payment, that's what game is. By analogy, people who enjoy fishing don't count time on the water as work.

LOL. The $2,000 suits, the $100,000 car, the $20 drinks do not count? Since when? Like DF, I was with a girl who was telling me about her boyfriends, and she is telling me that she will cut her BF's dick off if he sees other women. Meanwhile, she just fucked me and I was fucking other women. When guys like you said I was paying for sex, was I or was I paying to not have to deal with comments like getting my dick cut off?

Many members of this forum willingly spend time and money on dinners and maybe small gifts and enjoy the romantic experience. But there is no need to give gifts and spend much on dates for a chance at sex. Sorry to say, but that's what guys do if they have no game.

What I do not think you get is the women who have affairs with married men pick out the same qualities in the married man that they want in a BF. Early on, in my seeking life, I thought, "Oh, I can be a SD for these women but never their BF. They just like me for money", and it was not true. I finally understood that most if not all would have gladly accepted me as a BF with the condition I stop seeing all the other women. And until the very end, there was not one woman I said who was worth my monogamy. I would rather have been a SD playing the field who is paying then a BF seeing one woman who gets it for "free". When I want to fuck a woman and not pay them, that is the ultimate compliment to the woman from me.

Implying that 99% of men pay for sex (and hence 99% of women get paid for sex) would be at odds with how most people see it outside p4 p world.

Sorry, but for me, it is easier and more cost effective to work and make money then get the latest suits and buy $100,000 cars, and the pool of women I met on seeking blew away any I met in real life. Is she quality if she is banging a bunch of different guys and doing one night stands? I would say no. So you have poor quality women who fuck anyone, high quality women who want you to commit, potentially high quality women who are SBs who do not insist on monogamy, or hookers. Those are you realistic choices.

The truth is the more socially acceptable the pussy is the more it costs. Wives cost the most, and street walkers cost the least and picking up "regular women" at bars is more emotionally and financially costly than having a SB. You are going to strike out a helluva lot more at a bar than with a SB no matter who you are. That is more time you are saying does not count right?

So don't play games with us with like the fishing thing. Given your accounting method and saying the hours fishing do not count, I would counter and say if I like my job and make money at it, then the money I gave the woman does not count either.

[DramaFree11]

Outside of a few cities like Orlando, NYC, or DC, how many things are there for a tourist to do? I remember going to KC and we hit all the tourist spots in a weekend, and a buddy of mine was like, "Well that just about does it. ", and you could say the same of Monterrey. But KC is a great city with good people, great restaurants, and some good looking women just like Monterrey.

But Monterrey is way more modern with younger people, and it is surrounded by green mountains which allows for some great hikes. So there is a natural beauty that KC does not have. It also does not have the cold KC does but it can easily get into the 30's in the winter and 100's in the summer.

CDMX has a better climate but unlike CDMX, you do not have to deal with the pollution and altitude issues. I have a helluva time sleeping in CDMX because of the altitude. From a monger POV, Monterrey has a much bigger strip club, casa, and escort agency scene than CDMX does..

Sorry, I have been crazy busy at work. I will add a a few things to my previous reports and Elvis summary. MTY is cool, but most of the girls I am still in contact I met during Covid. After Covid MTY got a lot harder and way more expensive. The girls prices are still reasonable, but everything else is way more expensive. For a short trip, I will definitely stick with CDMX or Tijuana.

MTY is all about the long game and multiple trips, but it is just not that great anymore, hot new girls are hard to come by now. As Elvis said there is a lot of big local money in MTY now. Also, many girls parents are super strict and controlling, so many can only meet during the days and early evening, sounds crazy, but many families in MTY are old school Catholics. Both cities are very safe for foreigners.

There are some super hot girls in San Pedro, but many of those girls are not available to foreigners, for a variety of reasons. Also, lodging is up 40-60 percent now, so if you are careful in CDMX and do not blow a bunch or money at the restaurant / bars CDMX is cheaper. CDMX has so many opportunities for hot chicks, plus the city is great for walking, and food is way better in CDMX.

For me long term stick with CDMX, for a short trip go to Tijuana. Tijuana is so much for a weekend, they also have great food.

If you have a lot of free time, I think Cancun might be great for SA, as long as your apartment that allows visitors. There are a lot of Mexican girls that travel to Cancun with just a few bucks, so they have to make money some how.

[The Cane]

Actually it's more like 20% of men on the apps not 1%, but yes it's a buyer's market. You need to find your niche. Spending hours on dates and text game did not count as payment, that's what game is. By analogy, people who enjoy fishing don't count time on the water as work. Many members of this forum willingly spend time and money on dinners and maybe small gifts and enjoy the romantic experience. But there is no need to give gifts and spend much on dates for a chance at sex. Sorry to say, but that's what guys do if they have no game.

Because anyone who knows anything about money understands that time is money. That's one of the basic tenets of "dollars and cents" when it comes to money (and having it). Time is inextricably tied to money. Besides, you contradict your own words talking in circles. You say time isn't money, but then you say people willingly spend money and time on dates, as if the two are unrelated. So which is it? I'll answer my own question by saying it's unquestionably the latter (time and money go hand-in-hand together), even if you go dutch with both paying their own way. And talking about fishing is a poor analogy. Maybe spending all day at the river and catching nothing isn't work. But nobody said all time = work. No, it's time = money, whether you spent that time actually working or not. All time can be monetized and linked back to money, or a lack thereof. I'm not saying that one should always be concerned about making money with their time, but that doesn't change the fact that one's time = one's money. So, spending all day and catching nothing not only fails to yield any fish, but you didn't earn any money from doing that over that time frame either. Especially if you're a fisherman!

Now, even if a guy can go on date after date after date and manage to not spend any cash whatsoever (very unlikely), he still spent money (inextricably bound to time) on things like paying for the transportation to get to those dates (gas, Uber, subway, etc.). Plus on other things too. Maybe he bought a new shirt or some good smelling cologne. Whatever it was. On the transportation tip let's say he finds a way to walk to every single date and still spends no cash (again unlikely) and repeatedly walks away with a boner but no pussy. That would be all that time spent (add it up) with no payoff in the form of either some valuable goods in exchange (a pretty girl's puss and ass) or some cash earned (money). It's easy to see how going on continual dates that end like that yields realized losses (not to mention opportunity cost losses) in the form of a huge waste of time and money (each being "married" to the other with no possibility of divorce). Rather than do that, I'd rather ante up for panty down! LMAO LOLOLOL! Besides, I'm an impatient man. When I want something, I want it now! No time for wading around in knee-deep bullshit!