Seeking Arrangements

[Chicago85]

Hello,

I know this isn't the help desk, but...... I'm reactivating my account after a 6 month absence and having a heck of a time with the 2-step verification they've put in place. At least if you're using a new device. My password is correct, but the verification code never shows up to my account. Has anyone else had similar issues? I tried using the app on my iPhone, but that no longer works (I think Apple removed) so I'm STUCK! I've written two help requests, but they just give me the boiler plate answer that the code must be in my junk or spam folder. The odd thing is that I was getting email notices and marketing emails from Seeking regularly up until mid March, then they stopped. I wonder if there's an issue with the site.

Appreciate any advice or a phone number if you can IM me... I leave for Rio this Thursday and was hoping to use Seeking!

-Chicago.

[Elvis 2008]

Please take this picture down, it gives me PTSD from MDE? The Colombia dudes will probably find her attractive!

Well, there is no doubt. Looks are subjective so in the eyes of some of the Medellin morons she has to be a 10. There are some decent dudes in the forums other than Medellin. The problem with using seeking in Medellin is not that the selection is not good.

Looks wise, it is better than Bogota, but the women tend to be way stuck up. Also if you share anything about how much you paid with the Medellin morons and it was anything more than $10, you are going to get skewered.

None of the Medellin morons has ever spent $100 a month on seeking but they know all about it. In fact, they tout the Colombia cupid and Facebook sites and swear they are as good. Sorry. Is any Colombian going to pay $100 a month to get on seeking? Very few, and that is usually who overwhelmingly is hitting up women for sex.

[Steve 9696]

Excellent FR! I read every word. I actually enjoy your writing. You write very well.

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Thanks M. I write my stories as a stream of consciousness right afterwards so they are fresh. I actually rather enjoy writing them and I just write them all top to bottom with a very few edits as I recall details I missed. I really do it for myself. I love going back and reading and reliving these. I've probably re-read just this one 10 times already and relived each moment. Some of my faves like my Vegas Seeking trifecta and the Thifany story I've prob read 50 times and each time I can relive the moments.

But I am glad there are a handful of guys here who also really enjoy them. I love that I can entertain and give back and it's all an important part of my journey. I've ended up compiling them into a book, along with tips for the scene in most industrialized geographies. I've formatted it for publication, and it tips the scales at over 250 pages now. Of course I will never publish it because we certainly don't want wives around the world to know about this secret world we share. Drop me a line if you (or other serious contributors) want a copy.

Best of luck out there in China. It sounds a real mess for girls at this time. Soldier on!

[Midwestern]

Excellent FR! I read every word. I actually enjoy your writing. You write very well.

Spent a couple great nights in Madrid. Two Seeking Arrangement girls and one Vive girl. All were great experiences in their own way. And a reminder of the wide variation in bedroom skills that can exist.

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[DramaFree11]

I wasn't able to meet this one. She said on site she was near Medellin but was actually much farther away.

Please take this picture down, it gives me PTSD from MDE? The Colombia dudes will probably find her attractive!

[KeviKev68]

I wasn't able to meet this one. She said on site she was near Medellin but was actually much farther away.

[Steve 9696]

Spent a couple great nights in Madrid. Two Seeking Arrangement girls and one Vive girl. All were great experiences in their own way. And a reminder of the wide variation in bedroom skills that can exist.

We start the trip with Smoke Show. That's what I call her because damn she is fine. She's a legit model doing new work everyday and posting on her WhatsApp as status updates. I mean world class looks — face and body to die for. She's Venezuelan.

I was a bit worried setting up the date because she is so fine as to be unapproachable. And when we ended up discussing price she said 1000€. And I wasn't surprised honestly. I told her politely that was way outside my budget of 400€ and wished her luck. Surprisingly she came back with "OK we can do dinner and room time but I can't spend the night. " OK baby it's on.

I kept several other girls warm (including date 2 below) but Smoke Show was definitely my first priority for date 1. I was worried it might be bait and switch or something because it's all just model quality pics and she was quick to drop to 400. But nope she shows on time for dinner and is 100% as beautiful as her pics. She apologizes that she has her suitcase with her because she just finished a modeling job and sure enough I get fresh pics later that night.

Again, I am thinking with her looks she's going to be an aloof ***** or some other character flaw but she is just sweet as can be. Her English is marginal but we manage mostly without Google translate. If you are ever in Madrid I recommend Miss Sushi. Cute decor and vibe but mostly extremely inexpensive. I let her go wild like a kid in a candy store and we ate till stuffed and had leftovers. Including my sake, the bill came to 60€! LOL. Def a bargain. And whoa. Those eyes and that smile. She'the fix them on me and I would melt. Damn I would ALMOST pay for a platonic date with this girl. Just mind boggling.

Back to the room with no pretense. Only downside was she doesn't really drink — neither at dinner or the room and I love a party girl. But such a sweetheart. The sex was decidedly mediocre but not for what you think. I guess super pretty girls have a reputation for starfishing or purposefully slowing the action, but that was not the case here. She was really accommodating and tried really hard but just wasn't very experienced in the sack.

She did love having her tits massaged in circles and several times put her hands over mine to show the motion she likes. I gave her some rip roaring DATY and she was wet on arrival after the tit work tho not excessively so. Gave a credible but not great BJ and light kissing — maybe I should have pushed this more because I had trouble staying hard.

Nonetheless we figured it out, fucked quite a bit, and I ended up finishing by hand, with her on balls (almost all finishes end of week were this way with so much fucking). Honestly tho looking at her eyes and smile as she softly works my balls, encouraging me towards a finish, is a visual I won't soon forget. What an amazing sweet spirit to have packaged in that face and body. Wow. Still amazed a girl with 10 looks can have such a sweet soul. Glad to have met her.

Had the sex been epic I def would have tried to repeat her night 2, but alas it was not and I pinged Valeria who I had been putting off. She was asking around 3 if we were meeting up and I was a bit on the fence. She's clearly a thick girl and I have the Vive option, so just really not sure. I decide to just go explicit — what have I got to lose — and text her that I want to be direct and does she LOVE to kiss and BBBJ because there is a big difference between girls that do and those that don't. She says she loves that and is a very passionate girl. Ok baby it's on!

Less pretext here. She suggests we just get some wine and meet at my room. After walking to two wine shops and the grocery and finding everything closed, I go to the bar downstairs. She sets me up with a bottle of sweet white, an ice bucket and two glasses for only 19€. I love Spain prices! Why the fuck was you running all over town. LOL.

She shows more or less on time and is indeed a thick but well proportioned Colombiana. She speaks considerably less English than I thought since all our dialogue was in English. But this is fun and we laugh in mixed Spanglish and Engspanol as we drink wine together. Honestly a very comfortable vibe from the get go and I realize later we chatted and hour fifteen before getting down to business.

The business is very good, esp compared to Smoke Show. Her tits are fake but not offputting and with deep kissing (great!) and tit massage she is wet as fuck when I reach down and feel her pussy for the first time. I absolutely love when a girl is so hot for you and she wants that dick bad!

Very solid BJ and I love the kissing (only girl out of 9 this trip!) Quality fucking and some nice BJ to finish tho I do need to finish by hand again. Her licking balls which feels amazing. Great date. Amazing face, tier 2 body, and solid service. And another sweet soul. Would def repeat.

I suppose I could be satisfied with that but you know Steve the horndog. It's still early (930?) so I get some great Italian and try an experiment I don't recommend repeating. I've heard Whiskeria Estark is down a notch from Vive but why not just really troll the bottom and go to Whiskeria K2? I will tell you why! Because you can't unsee a couple of fat grammas hitting on you for drinks and sex. OMG. It was sooooo depressing wasn't sure I could get a boner again this decade! So I high tailed it to Vive where indeed I did get a boner again, albeit with a little help.

I do like Vive. High ceilings. Neon. Pretty girls. Not terribly busy at 1030 - maybe 25 ish girls spread about and 10-15 guys? I know better than to settle quickly so I cruised the room a bit. Didn't see too much that would light me up but one cute prospect all by herself. Maybe later. I settled in for a drink.

Well I learned my lesson from last time where I have a massive blank space in my memory. Still not sure if I got roofied, but decided this time to pay close attention to the pour. Glad I did. My Jack and Coke was served in a large bowl glass like you would have Sangria in. And he just kept pouring. Easily 3-4 shots in that one drink. Knowing this I nursed that baby for the next four hours and kept a nice buzz the whole time. A reasonable $20 for what you get.

Got hit on by several girls. A couple sorta cute but not lighting me up and a few no thank you not my type at all. I politely dismissed them all, including those angling for a drink. I wallflowered for quite some time just watching and drinking and deciding whether to make a tour again.

After some time I tour and the girl from earlier has moved to a new spot. She had short hair and is rather pale which is decidedly not my type but there is something about her. When I go to wallflower nearby she fixes me with a heartmelting dick hardening gaze that just slays me and I make the move over to her.

You know sometimes when there is just mad chemistry and it doesn't even make sense but you are just smitten? Yup. Within seconds I am liquid goo. She is half Italian and half Colombian and speaks Italian, Spanish, English, and French. And she is a magnetic party girl who travels the world having a good time. Only her third day here at Vive and moving on to Malta next month.

She convinces me to order her a $50 girls drink. I know the drill now and this does not surprise me. They are vanishingly small but the girl gets a cut so I don't begrudge her this — this is part of Vive and I accept it going in. And the $50 drink comes with private time so it's not really just a drink. We retire to the curtained booth. Very private and they don't disturb you. Lots of sexy dancing and naked tits hands on. Damn fine. She has a huge set of DS that are soft and luscious and downright amazing. A few little cock strokes from her. Enough to get the party started.

Again, there is just something about her. Because when we talk room time she is adamant about condom for BJ and no kissing. And yet I want to go with her! Hahaha. And we have a grand time. She seems a fair girl offering a half at 125 and a full at 250. (Last girl went straight for 250 then sold me half's at 190!) We start with a half which is great because I can sample at low cost. We pay at the desk and off we go.

In the room she is juat as alluring and coquettish as she was in the bar. She's just a sexy minx and knows it. The BJ is shocking good for CBJ with a ton of spit dripping down my balls. She agreed to at least BLS for an extra 50 and glad I did that. That is heavenly.

Quite a lot of good fucking. Doggie (her fave), the Steve (my fave), regular mish, cowgirl. A nice buffet. She's not a clock watcher and pretty sure we run past our time. Unfortunately I don't finish but not for lack of trying. I say let's go back to the club and have a drink and come back for another half hour. She likes this idea.

So we go back up and get another lady drink and hang a bit at the bar. Then we do the curtained room again. In there for surely more than 20 minutes. She offers to just do our time there but I suggest I might need the room to finish unrushed. She is totally cool with that.

Back to the room for round two. A lot more of the same and again a tough finish. I decide maybe her on balls and me on hand but it's not working and I say I want to watch her touch herself. Most girls lie on their back for this and I can usually wank one out watching. But she goes in her purse for the vibrating butt plug and plugs that in her butt and gets in a low doggie twerking position.

Her pussy is aroused and mildly open and pulsating a bit as she twerks. Wow. Very sexy. I feel myself get super hard and sure enough, after a bit, I get off a stunning 8" shot (I usually sorta shoot just a bit or 3" on a good day at my age). All that workout was worth it. She seems VERY pleased to have satisfied her man this time.

We have again run over time but she seems non plussed. She gladly gives me her number and we joke about her becoming my European girlfriend. I could see it happening, even tho she is super pro she's a free spirit. She asks me to text when I am safely on my plane. How sweet. Really dug this girl. Truly a force of nature.

And THAT is my two days in Spain. An interesting mix of amazing looks, excellent and mediocre sex, and some magnetic and sweet souls. All in all a big win! Will be back!

[Steve 9696]

Thanks for this call out.

I definitely don't want to regret later. Combining your point, and Steve's below-.

I spend 2.5% of my income (or 3.5% of post tax). Guess I am being to conservative in spend and worried more than I should about post retirement cash flow.

Actually you may not be far off. When I was in my forties I was going a few times a year and binging. Spending maybe $3-5 K / year. And as you say saving for retirement. But as I came into my fifties I started to see the importance of doing what I love and was now making enough to spend more. It's a progression. It's prob not feasible / wise (depending if you are married or not) to spend 10% on girls and keep that up for 25 years. But as you see your future years with girls is going to be 5-10 years max (like me and several others) it makes sense to ramp it up.

[Gfefan]

Thanks for this call out.

I definitely don't want to regret later. Combining your point, and Steve's below-.

I spend 2.5% of my income (or 3.5% of post tax). Guess I am being to conservative in spend and worried more than I should about post retirement cash flow.

Mongering is expensive. I know a few people who spend virtually all their money on this hobby when they were in their 40's. You have more resources when you are older. However, I sometimes regret opportunities that I passed on when I was younger. At some point you have more money than desire.

[HumbleHal]

Mongering is expensive. I know a few people who spend virtually all their money on this hobby when they were in their 40's. You have more resources when you are older. However, I sometimes regret opportunities that I passed on when I was younger. At some point you have more money than desire.

Yes, at age 67 I only feel like sex every 2-3 days. Even with Cialis. Have lots of money, but no libido.

[Akibono]

I cannot speak for everyone that pays 5 to 8 times what you pay (per year) for mongering, but I think most of us (who are paying 5 - 8 times more than you) are in our 50's and so there are two things going for most of us: (1) we have some savings now, and (2) we are making more income now than what we made in our 40's. When I was 40, I still had credit card debt and mongering was a rare treat for me..

Mongering is expensive. I know a few people who spend virtually all their money on this hobby when they were in their 40's. You have more resources when you are older. However, I sometimes regret opportunities that I passed on when I was younger. At some point you have more money than desire.

[Steve 9696]

I cannot speak for everyone that pays 5 to 8 times what you pay (per year) for mongering, but I think most of us (who are paying 5 - 8 times more than you) are in our 50's and so there are two things going for most of us: (1) we have some savings now, and (2) we are making more income now than what we made in our 40's. When I was 40, I still had credit card debt and mongering was a rare treat for me.

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Yeah I assume it's just different income levels. Spend about 10% of my income on my girls. Seems a healthy number for my number one interest in life!

[KeviKev68]

I have a few pics from women who are on seeking. I am having problems resizing the others.

[Midwestern]

I cannot speak for everyone that pays 5 to 8 times what you pay (per year) for mongering, but I think most of us (who are paying 5 - 8 times more than you) are in our 50's and so there are two things going for most of us: (1) we have some savings now, and (2) we are making more income now than what we made in our 40's. When I was 40, I still had credit card debt and mongering was a rare treat for me.

This intrugues me.

I just turned 40. While I make decent money, I am also wanting to be fiscally responsible (aka already started investing / planning for retirement etc. ,

Meaning, I don't spend more than 5 k a year on pussies (I exclude FKK visits. That's probably another 1 K a year). Well, I am leaving out the dinner / travel expenses as I anyway eat / travel (there is an incremental but that's ok).

So, curious to know (ignore if you are not comfortable) how you guys fund 8 x what I spend.

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[Pk099]

Finally I calculated my spend on mongering for 2022. For me it adds up to 27 K. Tried to break it down by country.

All amounts are in USD and are approximate but very close to actual spend. I mostly used Seeking, except when a seeking girl introduced her friend. Happened in India and Canada.

Travel. Includes only trips specific for hobby. I travel a lot for work and also do hobby while traveling for work. Since these travel cost covered by employer, I am excluding that from amounts below.

Airfare - $3000 (Not including tickets bought using points which is almost 50%.

Hotels - $4000 (Not including hotels booked using points which is almost 50%.

Food / Drinks with SBs - $1500.

Taxi / Uber / Parking - $900 (surprisingly it adds up fast).

Money spent on SBs for P4 P.

Canada - 2 trips of 4 days each in 2022 (Montreal and Toronto). Met total 8 girls for total cost $3500 (Average $400 CAD, got advantage of USD to CAD exchange rate).

USA. Only met 2 girls from escort agency xoc - $800.

Mexico - 3 trips of 4 days each in 2022 and most enjoyed in 2022 - Met total 10 girls (repeated some in all 3 trips who stay all night, 4 times tried 3 somes) for total cost of $4000.

Turkey - 2 trips to Istanbul (3 days and 5 days). Had really great experience, quality and service of girls. But it is a little more expensive than in Mexico. But variety is better in Istanbul (enjoyed Russian, Ukrainian, Lebanese, Turkish, Belarus, Irani, Indonesian and Uzbek girls) - (Repeated 1 Turkish and 1 Uzbek girl 2 times) - $4000.

India - 3 employer paid trips, so no cost for airfare and hotels (March, July, Oct) - Hobbying got more expensive in every trip, now I guess it is on par with Istanbul. (I mostly used Seeking and average cost is $250, 2 times tried 3 some with one Indian and 1 Uzbek girl) - Total $3500.

Singapore - 1 employer paid trips, so no cost for airfare and hotels (March) - Only met 2 viet girls. Total cost $500.

Thailand. Extended Singapore trip by 4 days to take a detour to Phuket. Most of time spent on really good body and foot massage (no sex). But had some good sessions with freelancers. Total cost $1300.

This adds up to around 27 K. This is expensive hobby 🙂.

Thank you TESLA stock for making this happened.

Already looking forward more hobbying in 2023. Already had 2 trips to Mexico with 2 3 somes and have planned multiple trips to Mexico, Montreal, Istanbul, India, Thailand, Dubai. Also want to try Brazil this year if possible.

All in (including hotels, travel, dining, presents, payment to gals, etc.), how much do you guys spend to monger per year? You can include a breakdown if you can/want.

I was looking at my expected mongering expenses for this year, and I think it will come out to over $40,000. Normally, I pay about 30 k / year, but for the upcoming year, I am trying to replace pros and MPs with SBs that are pay per date. I think for most of us, SBs are more expensive than pros, but we pay that premium because we think it is worth it. In addition, while I am reducing my mongering this year (I have been trying to go for quality over quantity), I decided to rent a love shack again, and that by itself if going to cost me almost 20 k per year.

Obviously, feel free to ignore this question if you think it's none of my business. But I just want know if others are also paying a crazy amount, to have this life of ours.