Seeking Arrangements

[DramaFree11]

Time is not money. If it were, how much dollar value would you assign to your thousands of posts on this forum; did you donate this time-money to ISG? It'll take me 5 minutes to write this post; I could not translate those 5 minutes into money.

Yes, I said the same thing. If you can afford to pay, and what you want is sex, purchasing it is the way to go.

I said time on texts and dates didn't count; that's what game is that was the OP's question. Didn't say anything about expenses.

Yes, I said the same thing, word for word. To repeat, the OP was asking about game for picking up regular women.

The difference is that everyone can purchase sex with money, but not everyone can "purchase" sex with just their time, game, charisma etc. Put differently, you may feel that "the money I gave the woman does not count either," but there is no game here; there is nothing you can share with another guy, like OP, asking about using game to meet regular girls.

Even if you believe you needed or used game on your sugar date, you have no way of knowing if your game was any good. That's what I meant by saying there is no game when you are paying.

Nobodt. You are a clown, I am not sure what you are trying to accomplish by arguing with everyone. If you do not understand that time is equal to money, then you have a lot to learn.

[FilthyBeaver]

I've been turned down in a *****house three times. I am particularly proud of all three occasions.

BTW, does a 200 k car make up for the fact I only wear 1 k suits? This is the most fun I've had here in a while lmao.

The difference is that everyone can purchase sex with money, but not everyone can "purchase" sex with just their time, game, charisma etc. Put differently, you may feel that "the money I gave the woman does not count either," but there is no game here; there is nothing you can share with another guy, like OP, asking about using game to meet regular girls.

[The Cane]

Time is not money. If it were, how much dollar value would you assign to your thousands of posts on this forum; did you donate this time-money to ISG? It'll take me 5 minutes to write this post; I could not translate those 5 minutes into money.

And that's exactly why some people have lots of money and others don't (and never will), among other reasons. And please remember the totality of what I said. I said that although time is money, all time spent isn't meant to be focused on making money. But you can still monetize your time nevertheless. And I can assure you I've spent plenty of time making money bro. I been fucking these tutes all around the world! So go fishing. Sit there all day long without even a hook on the line! I had an old friend who used to do that that. Because even though time is money, that doesn't mean one ought to be consumed with making money all of the time.

[NoBuglyFitches]

Because anyone who knows anything about money understands that time is money.

Time is not money. If it were, how much dollar value would you assign to your thousands of posts on this forum; did you donate this time-money to ISG? It'll take me 5 minutes to write this post; I could not translate those 5 minutes into money.

No time for wading around in knee-deep bullshit!

Yes, I said the same thing. If you can afford to pay, and what you want is sex, purchasing it is the way to go.

LOL. The $2,000 suits, the $100,000 car, the $20 drinks do not count? Since when? .

I said time on texts and dates didn't count; that's what game is that was the OP's question. Didn't say anything about expenses.

the pool of women I met on seeking blew away any I met in real life... picking up "regular women" at bars is more emotionally and financially costly than having a SB. You are going to strike out a helluva lot more

Yes, I said the same thing, word for word. To repeat, the OP was asking about game for picking up regular women.

Given your accounting method and saying the hours fishing do not count, I would counter and say if I like my job and make money at it, then the money I gave the woman does not count either.

The difference is that everyone can purchase sex with money, but not everyone can "purchase" sex with just their time, game, charisma etc. Put differently, you may feel that "the money I gave the woman does not count either," but there is no game here; there is nothing you can share with another guy, like OP, asking about using game to meet regular girls.

Even if you believe you needed or used game on your sugar date, you have no way of knowing if your game was any good. That's what I meant by saying there is no game when you are paying.

[FilthyBeaver]

This topic is very entertaining. I love the business I built and.

Do not consider it work therefore what I give the girls is a big fat grin; oh and $300-$1500 depending on where I am in the world and how hot they are! Lmfao.

I've had sbs bring up marriage and cry when we've broken up. The dynamic is anything but transactional if you do it right.

LOL. The $2,000 suits, the $100,000 car, the $20 drinks do not count? Since when? Like DF, I was with a girl who was telling me about her boyfriends, and she is telling me that she will cut her BF's dick off if he sees other women. Meanwhile, she just fucked me and I was fucking other women. When guys like you said I was paying for sex, was I or was I paying to not have to deal with comments like getting my dick cut off?

What I do not think you get is the women who have affairs with married men pick out the same qualities in the married man that they want in a BF. Early on, in my seeking life, I thought, "Oh, I can be a SD for these women but never their BF. They just like me for money", and it was not true. I finally understood that most if not all would have gladly accepted me as a BF with the condition I stop seeing all the other women. And until the very end, there was not one woman I said who was worth my monogamy. I would rather have been a SD playing the field who is paying then a BF seeing one woman who gets it for "free". When I want to fuck a woman and not pay them, that is the ultimate compliment to the woman from me.

Sorry, but for me, it is easier and more cost effective to work and make money then get the latest suits and buy $100,000 cars, and the pool of women I met on seeking blew away any I met in real life. Is she quality if she is banging a bunch of different guys and doing one night stands? I would say no. So you have poor quality women who fuck anyone, high quality women who want you to commit, potentially high quality women who are SBs who do not insist on monogamy, or hookers. Those are you realistic choices.

The truth is the more socially acceptable the pussy is the more it costs. Wives cost the most, and street walkers cost the least and picking up "regular women" at bars is more emotionally and financially costly than having a SB. You are going to strike out a helluva lot more at a bar than with a SB no matter who you are. That is more time you are saying does not count right?

So don't play games with us with like the fishing thing. Given your accounting method and saying the hours fishing do not count, I would counter and say if I like my job and make money at it, then the money I gave the woman does not count either.

[Elvis 2008]

I guess what I'm asking is, is Monterrey a cool city to visit?

For example Cdmx has so much to offer. Shopping in Polanco, great restaurants everywhere, amazing bars, so many museums. You could spend a lot of time doing great tourist stuff.

Is Monterrey a good city to visit if you wanted to do more than bang girls?

Yes, but you will run out of touristy things to do after a few days.

Shopping? Yes. I think the Fashion drive mall is nicer than any CDMX mall. Restaurants? Fuck yes. Museums? A few not even close to CDMX. The most touristy things are the river walk, fundidora park, and hiking in the mountains. DF drives to MTY and so stays in the more ritzy San Pedro area. I usually fly and stay downtown where there is a square closed off to cars and is walkable. There is a Fiesta Americana (nicest), Sheraton Ambassador, and Krystal hotel right near the more walkable downtown area.

But yeah, it is cool. You should check it out. It is not a dive like Tijuana is.

[Elvis 2008]

Spending hours on dates and text game did not count as payment, that's what game is. By analogy, people who enjoy fishing don't count time on the water as work.

LOL. The $2,000 suits, the $100,000 car, the $20 drinks do not count? Since when? Like DF, I was with a girl who was telling me about her boyfriends, and she is telling me that she will cut her BF's dick off if he sees other women. Meanwhile, she just fucked me and I was fucking other women. When guys like you said I was paying for sex, was I or was I paying to not have to deal with comments like getting my dick cut off?

Many members of this forum willingly spend time and money on dinners and maybe small gifts and enjoy the romantic experience. But there is no need to give gifts and spend much on dates for a chance at sex. Sorry to say, but that's what guys do if they have no game.

What I do not think you get is the women who have affairs with married men pick out the same qualities in the married man that they want in a BF. Early on, in my seeking life, I thought, "Oh, I can be a SD for these women but never their BF. They just like me for money", and it was not true. I finally understood that most if not all would have gladly accepted me as a BF with the condition I stop seeing all the other women. And until the very end, there was not one woman I said who was worth my monogamy. I would rather have been a SD playing the field who is paying then a BF seeing one woman who gets it for "free". When I want to fuck a woman and not pay them, that is the ultimate compliment to the woman from me.

Implying that 99% of men pay for sex (and hence 99% of women get paid for sex) would be at odds with how most people see it outside p4 p world.

Sorry, but for me, it is easier and more cost effective to work and make money then get the latest suits and buy $100,000 cars, and the pool of women I met on seeking blew away any I met in real life. Is she quality if she is banging a bunch of different guys and doing one night stands? I would say no. So you have poor quality women who fuck anyone, high quality women who want you to commit, potentially high quality women who are SBs who do not insist on monogamy, or hookers. Those are you realistic choices.

The truth is the more socially acceptable the pussy is the more it costs. Wives cost the most, and street walkers cost the least and picking up "regular women" at bars is more emotionally and financially costly than having a SB. You are going to strike out a helluva lot more at a bar than with a SB no matter who you are. That is more time you are saying does not count right?

So don't play games with us with like the fishing thing. Given your accounting method and saying the hours fishing do not count, I would counter and say if I like my job and make money at it, then the money I gave the woman does not count either.

[DramaFree11]

Outside of a few cities like Orlando, NYC, or DC, how many things are there for a tourist to do? I remember going to KC and we hit all the tourist spots in a weekend, and a buddy of mine was like, "Well that just about does it. ", and you could say the same of Monterrey. But KC is a great city with good people, great restaurants, and some good looking women just like Monterrey.

But Monterrey is way more modern with younger people, and it is surrounded by green mountains which allows for some great hikes. So there is a natural beauty that KC does not have. It also does not have the cold KC does but it can easily get into the 30's in the winter and 100's in the summer.

CDMX has a better climate but unlike CDMX, you do not have to deal with the pollution and altitude issues. I have a helluva time sleeping in CDMX because of the altitude. From a monger POV, Monterrey has a much bigger strip club, casa, and escort agency scene than CDMX does..

Sorry, I have been crazy busy at work. I will add a a few things to my previous reports and Elvis summary. MTY is cool, but most of the girls I am still in contact I met during Covid. After Covid MTY got a lot harder and way more expensive. The girls prices are still reasonable, but everything else is way more expensive. For a short trip, I will definitely stick with CDMX or Tijuana.

MTY is all about the long game and multiple trips, but it is just not that great anymore, hot new girls are hard to come by now. As Elvis said there is a lot of big local money in MTY now. Also, many girls parents are super strict and controlling, so many can only meet during the days and early evening, sounds crazy, but many families in MTY are old school Catholics. Both cities are very safe for foreigners.

There are some super hot girls in San Pedro, but many of those girls are not available to foreigners, for a variety of reasons. Also, lodging is up 40-60 percent now, so if you are careful in CDMX and do not blow a bunch or money at the restaurant / bars CDMX is cheaper. CDMX has so many opportunities for hot chicks, plus the city is great for walking, and food is way better in CDMX.

For me long term stick with CDMX, for a short trip go to Tijuana. Tijuana is so much for a weekend, they also have great food.

If you have a lot of free time, I think Cancun might be great for SA, as long as your apartment that allows visitors. There are a lot of Mexican girls that travel to Cancun with just a few bucks, so they have to make money some how.

[The Cane]

Actually it's more like 20% of men on the apps not 1%, but yes it's a buyer's market. You need to find your niche. Spending hours on dates and text game did not count as payment, that's what game is. By analogy, people who enjoy fishing don't count time on the water as work. Many members of this forum willingly spend time and money on dinners and maybe small gifts and enjoy the romantic experience. But there is no need to give gifts and spend much on dates for a chance at sex. Sorry to say, but that's what guys do if they have no game.

Because anyone who knows anything about money understands that time is money. That's one of the basic tenets of "dollars and cents" when it comes to money (and having it). Time is inextricably tied to money. Besides, you contradict your own words talking in circles. You say time isn't money, but then you say people willingly spend money and time on dates, as if the two are unrelated. So which is it? I'll answer my own question by saying it's unquestionably the latter (time and money go hand-in-hand together), even if you go dutch with both paying their own way. And talking about fishing is a poor analogy. Maybe spending all day at the river and catching nothing isn't work. But nobody said all time = work. No, it's time = money, whether you spent that time actually working or not. All time can be monetized and linked back to money, or a lack thereof. I'm not saying that one should always be concerned about making money with their time, but that doesn't change the fact that one's time = one's money. So, spending all day and catching nothing not only fails to yield any fish, but you didn't earn any money from doing that over that time frame either. Especially if you're a fisherman!

Now, even if a guy can go on date after date after date and manage to not spend any cash whatsoever (very unlikely), he still spent money (inextricably bound to time) on things like paying for the transportation to get to those dates (gas, Uber, subway, etc.). Plus on other things too. Maybe he bought a new shirt or some good smelling cologne. Whatever it was. On the transportation tip let's say he finds a way to walk to every single date and still spends no cash (again unlikely) and repeatedly walks away with a boner but no pussy. That would be all that time spent (add it up) with no payoff in the form of either some valuable goods in exchange (a pretty girl's puss and ass) or some cash earned (money). It's easy to see how going on continual dates that end like that yields realized losses (not to mention opportunity cost losses) in the form of a huge waste of time and money (each being "married" to the other with no possibility of divorce). Rather than do that, I'd rather ante up for panty down! LMAO LOLOLOL! Besides, I'm an impatient man. When I want something, I want it now! No time for wading around in knee-deep bullshit!

[AmericanPi]

Outside of a few cities like Orlando, NYC, or DC, how many things are there for a tourist to do? I remember going to KC and we hit all the tourist spots in a weekend, and a buddy of mine was like, "Well that just about does it. ", and you could say the same of Monterrey. But KC is a great city with good people, great restaurants, and some good looking women just like Monterrey.

But Monterrey is way more modern with younger people, and it is surrounded by green mountains which allows for some great hikes. So there is a natural beauty that KC does not have. It also does not have the cold KC does but it can easily get into the 30's in the winter and 100's in the summer.

CDMX has a better climate but unlike CDMX, you do not have to deal with the pollution and altitude issues. I have a helluva time sleeping in CDMX because of the altitude. From a monger POV, Monterrey has a much bigger strip club, casa, and escort agency scene than CDMX does.

I don't know why it is not being more reported but companies are moving away from China as an industrial base and moving it to the Southern USA and Northern Mexico in droves. This is such a huge ordeal that the only city I can compare Monterrey growth wise to is Austin, and that has caused rents to swell. When I looked at apartment prices three years ago, an apartment in Monterrey was double the price of similar ones in CDMX..

I guess what I'm asking is, is Monterrey a cool city to visit?

For example Cdmx has so much to offer. Shopping in Polanco, great restaurants everywhere, amazing bars, so many museums. You could spend a lot of time doing great tourist stuff.

Is Monterrey a good city to visit if you wanted to do more than bang girls?

[NoBuglyFitches]

But very few people here on this board want that or rather they don't have that in mind when coming to this board. They just want sex.

Agreed. But still, the OP was asking about game for picking up regular girls. I assumed, perhaps incorrectly, that his interest was in the game rather than in saving money on sex. So I said this wasn't the right forum for discussing pickup art. Sugar dating is probably good training wheels for a newbie to get comfortable with women and develop his style with an easy audience, but it's not the real thing.

Maybe there are some people who do not pay, the 1 percent of men who get all the female attention on the dating apps ... You end up spending many many hours on dates, and hundreds if not thousands of dollars on dates and gifts just for a chance at sex.

Actually it's more like 20% of men on the apps not 1%, but yes it's a buyer's market. You need to find your niche. Spending hours on dates and text game did not count as payment, that's what game is. By analogy, people who enjoy fishing don't count time on the water as work. Many members of this forum willingly spend time and money on dinners and maybe small gifts and enjoy the romantic experience. But there is no need to give gifts and spend much on dates for a chance at sex. Sorry to say, but that's what guys do if they have no game.

Implying that 99% of men pay for sex (and hence 99% of women get paid for sex) would be at odds with how most people see it outside p4 p world.

[Kazeu]

Maybe there are some people who do not pay, the 1 percent of men who get all the female attention on the dating apps. Kudos to you if you are one of them. But for the majority of men. They pay in some form. Some say that the freebies are in fact the most expensive girls. Rather than something transactional where everything is agreed on, sex for money. You end up spending many many hours on dates, and hundreds if not thousands of dollars on dates and gifts just for a chance at sex.

Yes, I agree with you that if you want a relationship that may lead to marriage, family kids, paying for sex is not the way to do it. But very few people here on this board want that or rather they don't have that in mind when coming to this board. They just want sex.

I just don't understand what you mean.

The OP was asking about picking up regular girls, implying that no money payment would be involved. I shared my limited experience on how that worked. I believe it's the way to go if you are looking for a real relationship possibly leading to a family. It's also the way to go if you love the pickup "game. " If you simply like sex, this is not worth it.

Perhaps some guys never had the experience of a horny girl they've never met grabbing them out of the party just to fuck or hooking up from Tinder, so they go around believing that "everybody pays. ".

Many people do not pay for sex. Casual hookups and "vanilla" relationships do not involve money. Guys do get laid off of looks / attractiveness, big dicks, and charisma / game -- this is personal experience not denial.

[FilthyBeaver]

But I doubt this thread has many people expecting on getting it for free. The SB / SD dynamic involves a much older guy giving something tangible to a much younger woman. Sure there are girls with daddy issues and outliers any time your talking about any subject but they are not "normal".

I think the OP was talking about how to pick up non-pros without using seeking, not necessarily getting it for free. IMO you'd have to be mad to walk into a bar and start chatting up a girl 20-30 yrs younger than you with the intention of eventually having sex without knowing she's at least open to the idea. In which case you're out your precious time, probably a drink, and some food. Trivial expenses for sure but not free.

I just don't understand what you mean.

The OP was asking about picking up regular girls, implying that no money payment would be involved. I shared my limited experience on how that worked. I believe it's the way to go if you are looking for a real relationship possibly leading to a family. It's also the way to go if you love the pickup "game. " If you simply like sex, this is not worth it.

Perhaps some guys never had the experience of a horny girl they've never met grabbing them out of the party just to fuck or hooking up from Tinder, so they go around believing that "everybody pays. ".

Many people do not pay for sex. Casual hookups and "vanilla" relationships do not involve money. Guys do get laid off of looks / attractiveness, big dicks, and charisma / game -- this is personal experience not denial.

[NoBuglyFitches]

Everybody pays, one way or another. You can be in denial all you want. Time is money.

I just don't understand what you mean.

The OP was asking about picking up regular girls, implying that no money payment would be involved. I shared my limited experience on how that worked. I believe it's the way to go if you are looking for a real relationship possibly leading to a family. It's also the way to go if you love the pickup "game. " If you simply like sex, this is not worth it.

Perhaps some guys never had the experience of a horny girl they've never met grabbing them out of the party just to fuck or hooking up from Tinder, so they go around believing that "everybody pays. ".

Many people do not pay for sex. Casual hookups and "vanilla" relationships do not involve money. Guys do get laid off of looks / attractiveness, big dicks, and charisma / game -- this is personal experience not denial.

[FilthyBeaver]

I've never been to Barnes and Noble, met someone I wanted to fuck (let alone her wanting to fuck me), dropped everything and went to my place, her place or a hotel, done the deed and said goodbye with no strings attached. Money is coming out of my pocket somewhere between a and be even if it's a mocha from Starbucks.

I'm with DF on this one. But I'm not with him on the "some luck" comment it takes a lot of fuckin luck. The chances of a really desirable girl (in my eyes) replying, let alone meeting me without expecting some amount of compensation because "her time is valuable," which always makes me lmfao.

If I meet a woman at a club (or beach, or bookstore, or tinder, or feeld or whatever), we meet, fuck and never see each other again, how did I pay "indirectly"?