Seeking Arrangements

[AmericanPi]

Outside us I use Telegram or Whatapp, both linked to phone numbers that aren't my real number.

Inside US I use one of the many burner fone number apps you can get on Apple Store.

Question for the membership -- Do you use burner phones when dating sugar babies outside the USA?

Great post Elvis. Ggekko2009 and DramaFree had some good pointers, and you tie it all together. Like I said in another post, you have good common sense and an ability to think out of the box. I never would have thought to throw money in the hallway, where the woman would show up on cameras picking it up.

My life was seriously screwed up for several years as a result of dating sugar babies in the USA. I won't go through the whole sad story as I might out myself if someone who knows me read this. I did end up thinking for about 6 months that I might have a child, who turned out to be imaginary.

Your point is well taken. The risks in the USA must be greater than outside the country.

[Dj Tan]

There is an auto-renew option. Whatever you payment method if your subscription expires and you haven't paid then you are lapsed. You can see but cannot message. You cannot even read your previous messages. So if you plan to expire, you need to have extracted any contact details.

But for me, I always delete the profile once it has expired. Messages keep coming and the desire to repay and read new messages is too tempting.

Thanks.

Maybe that's why, you removed your profile completely. I already turned autorenew off but only disabled not remove my profile, thinking in case I want to re activate it later; then SA recharge my card after 1-2 months, really pissed me off since I am already in relation with a girl at that time.

Other than that SA is fine.

[Tiny 12]

Question for the membership -- Do you use burner phones when dating sugar babies outside the USA?

Tiny, first time I went to Bogota, I was in Hotel Ibis. Lobby is like Best Western, and rooms are like Motel 6. Neighborhood was okay, and I never had any issues, but women were not impressed and wanted money up front.

Then I upped my game, and I went to upscale hotels, wore a suit, and met the women there. With that atmosphere, it was kind of gauche to mention price, and in Mexico or Colombia, it was never meet and greet and then sex the second meet like in the USA. It was let's get it on now. So I would be banging these women within a hour of a meet.

And when you meet them in the nice hotel, you have cameras everywhere and probably better security than USA hotels. Still, there were issues but not the kind you mentioned but with women and they had to deal with what American men fear.

One Mexican woman was saying while we were having sex, "You know I can have you arrested" as if I was raping her. So I stopped, got my wallet, opened my hotel room door, and threw the money we agreed upon on the public hall floor where I assume there were cameras and shut the door behind her when she went for that money. Good luck with that arrest now honey.

But I had known that Mexican police do not take these dumb comments seriously from a previous incident. I saw a girl who is 22 but looks young. We get it on, and she goes home, and she claims her "cousin" stole her phone. The "cousin" pretended to be her mother, and texted me that her "daughter" was underage, and she is going to the cops unless she gets payment. I ignored the texts. Girl comes back on a few hours later, apologizes, and now asks for more money because "cousin" stole her money too.

Truth is age of consent where this happened is 18 in CDMX but other parts of Mexico, the legal age is 13. What I learned is that it is unless men trick or wrongly coerce these young girls and there is an irate parent then maybe the Mexican police will react, but most times they could care less. My take was that if you met a woman on seeking the police would laugh it off unless there was objective evidence something really bad happened.

So Tiny in that way, these countries may be safer. With the Kobe Bryant case, a woman consenting to sex but regretting it the next morning was considered rape and the police went full press on him, and it would not surprise me to see some American police departments send a SWAT team after me with just the allegation of having sex with someone under aged. So you can imagine these scams may work on some American guys then, but all in all, I think you are actually safer where P4 P activity is legal / tolerated.

All that said, I think it is best to get used to one hotel and operate out of it. It also helps to get to know and tip the staff. They are your first line of defense and something you will not see here is security literally bringing a woman to your room. That happened to me once in Colombia and once in Mexico, and I have to admit that I kind of thought that was cool. "Here is the pizza you ordered sir and here is the red head for desert". Now that was some good room service.

Great post Elvis. Ggekko2009 and DramaFree had some good pointers, and you tie it all together. Like I said in another post, you have good common sense and an ability to think out of the box. I never would have thought to throw money in the hallway, where the woman would show up on cameras picking it up.

My life was seriously screwed up for several years as a result of dating sugar babies in the USA. I won't go through the whole sad story as I might out myself if someone who knows me read this. I did end up thinking for about 6 months that I might have a child, who turned out to be imaginary.

Your point is well taken. The risks in the USA must be greater than outside the country.

[AmericanPi]

What's the average rate? I don't look for women who charge by the hour and I prefer the first meeting to be a few hours at least.

I always go about 25 pct higher than what's needed because I need for things to be locked in firm. It's a catastrophe if a girl changes her mind and I lose one of my precious Days.

I was going for 20-25 year old girls that were 8+ and finding that offering 400 euros was very well received. So my sense is 250-300 would be good.

[Voodoo Jones]

BCN and Madrid rock. You get a good set of chicks at a reasonable cost.

What's the average rate? I don't look for women who charge by the hour and I prefer the first meeting to be a few hours at least.

[SfoCowboy]

BCN and Madrid rock. You get a good set of chicks at a reasonable cost.

Gents, we tend to circle around the same cities in these discussions. Yes Mexico is great.

What are the other excellent cities are rich, teeming with sugar babies?

Often I find myself in some part of the world and I look to see what cities are close by and how many girls are in my target age on Seeking. So far very few cities have hundreds (which means probably a few dozen active).

What amazing cities with lots of action have you conquered?

I'll go first.

Barcelona was surprisingly strong. Not as strong as Cdmx but I had zero problem lining up dates.

[Voodoo Jones]

I was just in SEA recently and tried to use SA in both Manila and Jakarta. Manila is a dud and not a good option.

Damn, that sucks. I saw other people not recommend Manila: not enough candidates and they ask for way too much. I'm going there again with friends and was hoping to spend a few days by myself, but looks like I'll change it up.

So true about the lockdown. I had 3 of the most beautiful girls in my life during lockdown. I would have never had a chance with them if it was not for Covid. 2 of the 3 now have boyfriends in Europe.

"Boyfriends"? Sugar daddies, sure, but not boyfriends. These women are still having sex with other men while getting their rent paid by someone they see maybe every few months.

[AsianPursuits]

I was just in SEA recently and tried to use SA in both Manila and Jakarta. Manila is a dud and not a good option. I have slightly better luck in Jakarta. However, I only manage to meet two girls since a few were so flaky with their schedules. I had a great time with one of them, which I wish to repeat but she simply did not have the time since she was deluged with work during that time of the year, while the other one was just ok, but I would probably not repeat.

There is absolutely no reason to use Seeking in Manila.

Filipina are so easy to meet and fuck that you don't need Seeking. Just use DateInAsia or Filipina Cupid or Tinder etc. You will have a girl within an hour of setting up a free account.

Also, an overnight freelancer girl expect to tip P2,000-P4000 per night, that's USD45-90/ night not the crazy Seeking girl asking prices.

[Elvis 2008]

A question for gentlemen who use Seeking in Colombia and Mexico. Do you have safety concerns, with respect to using the site? It seems like you'd be a sitting target, advertising or exaggerating your income and net worth in countries where kidnappings, murders and theft aren't as uncommon as they are here. I've used Seeking in other countries, but not Latin America.

A question for gentlemen who use Seeking in Colombia and Mexico. Do you have safety concerns, with respect to using the site? It seems like you'd be a sitting target, advertising or exaggerating your income and net worth in countries where kidnappings, murders and theft aren't as uncommon as they are here. I've used Seeking in other countries, but not Latin America.

Tiny, first time I went to Bogota, I was in Hotel Ibis. Lobby is like Best Western, and rooms are like Motel 6. Neighborhood was okay, and I never had any issues, but women were not impressed and wanted money up front.

Then I upped my game, and I went to upscale hotels, wore a suit, and met the women there. With that atmosphere, it was kind of gauche to mention price, and in Mexico or Colombia, it was never meet and greet and then sex the second meet like in the USA. It was let's get it on now. So I would be banging these women within a hour of a meet.

And when you meet them in the nice hotel, you have cameras everywhere and probably better security than USA hotels. Still, there were issues but not the kind you mentioned but with women and they had to deal with what American men fear.

One Mexican woman was saying while we were having sex, "You know I can have you arrested" as if I was raping her. So I stopped, got my wallet, opened my hotel room door, and threw the money we agreed upon on the public hall floor where I assume there were cameras and shut the door behind her when she went for that money. Good luck with that arrest now honey.

But I had known that Mexican police do not take these dumb comments seriously from a previous incident. I saw a girl who is 22 but looks young. We get it on, and she goes home, and she claims her "cousin" stole her phone. The "cousin" pretended to be her mother, and texted me that her "daughter" was underage, and she is going to the cops unless she gets payment. I ignored the texts. Girl comes back on a few hours later, apologizes, and now asks for more money because "cousin" stole her money too.

Truth is age of consent where this happened is 18 in CDMX but other parts of Mexico, the legal age is 13. What I learned is that it is unless men trick or wrongly coerce these young girls and there is an irate parent then maybe the Mexican police will react, but most times they could care less. My take was that if you met a woman on seeking the police would laugh it off unless there was objective evidence something really bad happened.

So Tiny in that way, these countries may be safer. With the Kobe Bryant case, a woman consenting to sex but regretting it the next morning was considered rape and the police went full press on him, and it would not surprise me to see some American police departments send a SWAT team after me with just the allegation of having sex with someone under aged. So you can imagine these scams may work on some American guys then, but all in all, I think you are actually safer where P4 P activity is legal / tolerated.

All that said, I think it is best to get used to one hotel and operate out of it. It also helps to get to know and tip the staff. They are your first line of defense and something you will not see here is security literally bringing a woman to your room. That happened to me once in Colombia and once in Mexico, and I have to admit that I kind of thought that was cool. "Here is the pizza you ordered sir and here is the red head for desert". Now that was some good room service.

[Ggekko2009]

Gents, we tend to circle around the same cities in these discussions. Yes Mexico is great.

What are the other excellent cities are rich, teeming with sugar babies?

Often I find myself in some part of the world and I look to see what cities are close by and how many girls are in my target age on Seeking. So far very few cities have hundreds (which means probably a few dozen active).

What amazing cities with lots of action have you conquered?

I'll go first.

Barcelona was surprisingly strong. Not as strong as Cdmx but I had zero problem lining up dates.

I was just in SEA recently and tried to use SA in both Manila and Jakarta. Manila is a dud and not a good option. I have slightly better luck in Jakarta. However, I only manage to meet two girls since a few were so flaky with their schedules. I had a great time with one of them, which I wish to repeat but she simply did not have the time since she was deluged with work during that time of the year, while the other one was just ok, but I would probably not repeat.

[Tiny 12]

My SA experience in Bogota has been great so far.

I have never had any issues with being a target on SA.

Many thanks gentlemen. Great practical suggestions Ggekko.

[AmericanPi]

Gents, we tend to circle around the same cities in these discussions. Yes Mexico is great.

What are the other excellent cities are rich, teeming with sugar babies?

Often I find myself in some part of the world and I look to see what cities are close by and how many girls are in my target age on Seeking. So far very few cities have hundreds (which means probably a few dozen active).

What amazing cities with lots of action have you conquered?

I'll go first.

Barcelona was surprisingly strong. Not as strong as Cdmx but I had zero problem lining up dates.

[DramaFree11]

A question for gentlemen who use Seeking in Colombia and Mexico. Do you have safety concerns, with respect to using the site? It seems like you'd be a sitting target, advertising or exaggerating your income and net worth in countries where kidnappings, murders and theft aren't as uncommon as they are here. I've used Seeking in other countries, but not Latin America.

Elvis, I too enjoyed traveling to Mexico during that period. It was a mixed bag though. The restrictions in Mexico, like the USA, depended a lot on what state and city you were in. A woman from Jalisco I was dating at the time loved coming to my city in the USA, because we were wide open compared to where she lived. You universally had to get your temperature checked when you entered places and wear masks in the malls. I remember in Cabo San Lucas about 3/4's of the stores in the main shopping mall were closed, not because of lockdowns, but because there were no tourists. Leaving Los Cabos once it was impossible to get into the airport club or get food unless you were willing to wait at least half an hour because of staff shortages. On the other hand, it was nice to be there when there weren't crowds. I only went to Cancun once, and it did seem more open than Baja California del Sur or Jalisco, although I remember having problems getting into the hotel gym because you had to make a reservation and they'd only allow 5 people in it at one time.

I've been traveling to Guadalajara and don't have safety concerns. But then I visited Medellin in the mid 1990's and Juarez during 2000-2010, when murders were off the charts. Anyway, I figured you were full of shit about GDL, that it's not that dangerous. Well, after reading up on it a little, I've definitively determined you're not full of shit. It's gotten worse since the last time I looked at the statistics. The homicide rate is comparable to Honduras. A group of local police were busted recently for running a kidnapping ring. And immigration supposedly has been kidnapping expatriates as well, both busting into their homes and setting up checkpoints. They keep them maybe a couple of days, treat them roughly, and then release them when money is paid. I'll definitely be keeping a copy of my passport and entrance stamp with me at all times when I'm there in the future.

I will still continue to go there. But I'm not seeing women from Seeking or escorts in notels. And I don't go anywhere at night except to restaurants, in a car.

As to Sinaloa, I agree. What kind of an idiot would be scouting out sugar babies in Culiacan anyway? I could just see myself dating a Narco's girlfriend and getting whacked. Mazatlan's safer, but I understand air traffic was stopped there for a while, because the Sinaloa cartel was expressing its wrath throughout the state at the capture of El Chapo's son.

I have never had any issues with being a target on SA. I never talk about money and I always meet in public the first meeting. Now I also require Video Chats. This eliminates 90% of the problems. I did have a meeting in Austin and broke my rule. She was about 50 pounds bigger then her pictures. I need to stick to my rules. I look back at all my bad dates, if I would have Video Chatted prior I would have saved a lot of time and money. Also if you tell a girl that you must video chat before you meet this will also help eliminate the scammers.

For the most part the girls in Mexico never bring up Money. Same with violence I have never had any issues in either MTY or CDMX. I did see a little in Tijuana, but it usually involved drugs.

I must say since I got back on SA 3 weeks ago there are much fewer scammers in the states now. I think SA is cracking down, there still there, but they are fairly easy to spot. In Mexico we always use WhatsApp and in the states instant messaging. I do not use any other forms of Social Media. If a girl suggest other forms it is usually a huge waste of time or a scam. Another red flag, if they say they are out of town for a few weeks, this usually some sort of scam. Use Video Chatting, you will have a much better experience.

SA is still tough in the states, but you can still have a great time and meet some greet girls.

[Ggekko2009]

A question for gentlemen who use Seeking in Colombia and Mexico. Do you have safety concerns, with respect to using the site? It seems like you'd be a sitting target, advertising or exaggerating your income and net worth in countries where kidnappings, murders and theft aren't as uncommon as they are here. I've used Seeking in other countries, but not Latin America.

My SA experience in Bogota has been great so far. I have met more than 10 regular chicas just last year alone. Most of them are still in college. For one, it is not Medellin and hence less gringos jejeje. Two, Bogota has a lot of colleges and hence the bigger pools of available girls that I prefer. I think as long as one practice some safety measure, the risk is manageable.

For example, I would try to meet with them first over a drink or dinner before bringing them back over to my apartment. I would also stay in apartment where there are front desk security. One time, before one of my girl left the following morning, the security actually called me on the apartment phone to verify that I am ok and she was who she said she was before allowing her to leave.

Also, I was offered a threesome session the first time by one girl. I told her that I needed to have a session with her first before I can do a threesome the next time, in which she understood and agreed to.

Another thing, never leave your drink unattended in the bar or anywhere outside and don't drink from anything that is offered by any girl. Getting drugged may be more common there. If I am to go clubbing, I would usually include a wingman to keep an eye out for one another.

Just my 2 cents.

[AsianPursuits]

So any of you guys use pre-paid? Does SA ban you on the 2nd month once they figure that same pre-paid Visa has no more fund in it?

There is an auto-renew option. Whatever you payment method if your subscription expires and you haven't paid then you are lapsed. You can see but cannot message. You cannot even read your previous messages. So if you plan to expire, you need to have extracted any contact details.

But for me, I always delete the profile once it has expired. Messages keep coming and the desire to repay and read new messages is too tempting.