Colombia / Travel Coronavirus Updates

[Surfer500]

It seems to me from what I read that the European countries are planing very gradual reopening. So gradual that we might not see international flights to / from there for 2 or more months. That is quite long. And even though I am having a good time in Colombia, I could use a brake during summer. What you guys think? Are we really months away from getting on a plane to Spain or Miami?

I don't think there are going to be very many flights going anywhere soon, and when they start back up it's going to be very gradual. Probably the first flights to open up out of Medellin will probably be on American, Spirit, and JetBlue back to the USA and the reason I say this is because the USA has basically bailed or will be bailing them out. Other carriers like COPA, Latam, and Avianca, not sure about them as Latam and Avianca were already on shaky financial ground and for COPA to resume flying back into Colombia then their hub in Panama City would have to be open. Don't know what else to say except that you, and me, and every one else on this board would like to know the answer to your question that nobody knows.

[ChuchoLoco]

That was USA Only in 2017. Interestingly, there were 10,000 deaths that year in Texas. Corona virus has only killed 477 so far in Texas so "just the flu" which was H1 N1 that year was 20 X worse so far in Texas.

I remember H1 N1 somewhat but don't recall it being so bad. My memory (is that it was another false flu alarm starting with Ford and the Swine Flu but that's my memory only. If your numbers are correct, that's an amazing amount of flu victims and why was it never mentioned in all the reporting either by the media or the WH Task Force? Something is not right somewhere and I don't know where.

Ever since the Warren Report when I was a teen, I haven't believed much of anything by governments or by conspiracy career money makers. But for some reason, the fact that this virus and it's effects reported worldwide makes me think something is real here. I mean look at all the border and inter national travel closings and quoronteens. Scenes from hospitals worldwide too. Has the whole world been duped?

I guess only time will tell. I just hope me, my family and everyone's are here to see what it really is or was. I guess for now, I'm thinking I'd rather be a live chicken than a dead duck.

Good luck, stay safe.

[JjBee62]

Yes, I suspect this also. What are the ulterior motives of these power hungry pols who are violating their oaths to defend the USA Constitution. But this is world wide. Is this an attempt to cement globalism by the uber / hidden rich? An attempt to destroy America? What?

It does show how many gullible and stupid and borderline hysterics there are in the world. The anxiety level must be high and / or most people are cowards who cannot stand up against despots.

Here in the Phil. Many no it's all BULL_crap. They are only following the rules because they are frightened of the cops here. Truth is then cannot start arresting people for violating the quarantine because then the cheap UKs will have to house and feed them.

I can't speak for Philadelphia. People elsewhere, I have a bit of insight on. I'll use 2 personal examples My sister and my brother.

My sister and her husband are ardent Obama hating, Trump loving right wing, gun toting conservatives. They both work full-time, blue collar jobs and have a combined middle class income, yet they struggle to get ahead. Recently, my brother-in-law was laid off due to the shutdown. He has since returned to work. If anyone should be anxious to get the country opened back up it's them. They're just the opposite. My sister, on her own, started making masks for friends and co-workers. Her husband spent the layoff doing home projects. Both told me they hope people just stay home until the numbers drop.

My brother is the opposite. Although he's not nearly as far left as my sister is right, he's solid Democrat. He has spent the last 17 years building a successful small business and has done well. He's got 2 big pole barns full of expensive toys that would make most guys drool. Him and his wife live quite well and the business keeps them comfortably high in the middle-class group. His business is hurting. While he's still open, considered essential, income is way down and if this shutdown goes on too long, he might be forced to close his doors. While he's eager for things to get back up and running, he also feels we need to sit it out for a little while longer.

I'll add in a friend who is a nurse. At the beginning, she was laughing at how the media was blowing everything out of proportion and how people were overreacting. Then she started getting patients with COVID-19. She saw the disease in action and did a 180° flip. When she gets home from work, she strips in the garage, sanitizes her shoes, bags her dirty clothes and immediately washes everything. She's frequently ranting that people need to take this more serious. She's desperate for a vacation, but won't even consider it right now.

I'm active on the local Fox affiliates website. I read their stories and get involved with the comments. This in a solidly red state. My buddy, a Democrat, Evangelical Christian jokes that if Jesus Christ ran as a Democrat against Satan running as Republican here, he'd get his ass stomped.

I've been watching the Fox viewer comments. Except for the obvious trolls, the opinions have shifted. They went from cries of "hoax" and "fake news" to "why can't people stay at home?" Granted, there are some, who probably get their news from the same source you do, who are whining about the Constitution, but they're not a significant minority.

I don't see this widespread panic about the extended shutdown. I don't see fear of the police keeping anyone at home. If anything I'm seeing increased support for the police.

[CzarNicholas]

On a optimistic note, as bad as this Pandemic is, and the wrath it has caused, the entire planets medical scientists and researchers are trying to come up with treatments / cure and a vaccine for the Virus. So with so many people working on it, hopefully by no later than sometime next year there will be a vaccine and things can return closer to normal.

HIV started over 40 yrs ago, trillions (usd) have been spent chasing a vaccine, it is also a virus.

[Elvis 2008]

Is that number USA Only or worldwide?

That was USA Only in 2017. Interestingly, there were 10,000 deaths that year in Texas. Corona virus has only killed 477 so far in Texas so "just the flu" which was H1 N1 that year was 20 X worse so far in Texas.

[Knowledge]

Watch the Spirit and embassy web suites. There was a flight to Miami on Spirit just three days ago.

It seems to me from what I read that the European countries are planing very gradual reopening. So gradual that we might not see international flights to / from there for 2 or more months. That is quite long. And even though I am having a good time in Colombia, I could use a brake during summer. What you guys think? Are we really months away from getting on a plane to Spain or Miami?

[Junior11]

It seems to me from what I read that the European countries are planing very gradual reopening. So gradual that we might not see international flights to / from there for 2 or more months. That is quite long. And even though I am having a good time in Colombia, I could use a brake during summer. What you guys think? Are we really months away from getting on a plane to Spain or Miami?

[AZN Monger]

It's not cherry picking when I'm comparing it to your Nordic neighbors. You seem to be pretty high on Sweden and now you don't want to compare similar geography?

And trust me, it's not me stalking. You reached out on private message first if you've conveniently forgot, lol. Then I looked at your post history and it's just a bunch of "yay Sweden and coronavirus is not a big deal rah rah rah". I'm glad the moderator here is deleting some of these nonsensical posts.

Oh, so you are cherry-picking. Why are you stalking me and so obsessed by giving a inaccurate picture of things?

Belgium 490 deaths per million.

Netherlands 215.

Switzerland 156.

Sweden...

[Knowledge]

Stay, 100%, and I did have a chance to take a flight to the US three days ago.

Would you choose to stay or leave if you had another chance?

[Knowledge]

Several people who had the virus and recovered have tested positive again. So, I would not devote much mental energy to the antibody question at this point. As far as hospitals, as of today in Colombia there are 395 people hospitalized for coronavirus of which 100 are in intensive care. Just under 4,000 confirmed cases is today's national total. If I had my choice between a US or Colombian hospital I would go Colombian with no hesitation. I would feel that way even if I had not seen bodies piled up in hallways and storage rooms in US hospitals.

That's a good question which I have been contemplating now for a while.

My biggest concern about returning would be what type of healthcare I would get if I got infected and had to be hospitalized there. My plan is to wait until Colombia finally opens up again and I am assuming it's going to be a while, at least a few months. On that date who knows, maybe a readily available cure will be available, such as, Oh you have the clap, bend over, get a shot, and in few days your better. Highly unlikely though but who knows, I'm also going to get the anti-body test when Colombia formally opens back up, and if by some miracle I already had the virus and there's some evidence that I have immunity which isn't clear yet I will immediately return.

Again my biggest concern about returning would be having to be hospitalized. Yes there are some top notch Hospitals in Medellin, but they are just not going to have as much access to everything including treatments, etc. Like in the USA. I know others may differ on this, but you need to ask yourself, if your going to land up in a Hospital, and not by choice, where would you rather be.

On a optimistic note, as bad as this Pandemic is, and the wrath it has caused, the entire planets medical scientists and researchers are trying to come up with treatments / cure and a vaccine for the Virus. So with so many people working on it, hopefully by no later than sometime next year there will be a vaccine and things can return closer to normal.

[TurdyCurdyOne]

It's unbelievable what is happening. The Federal Reserve is projecting over 42 million unemployed by June 2020. The coming worldwide depression will kill millions, maybe even billions, over a stupid virus. I tell you what, the powers that be know what's coming, and we are being conditioned to stay at home and starve, have you seen what is going on in the agricultural world? Dumping milk, dumping produce, meat products are being fazed out, farmers are being told to stop farming. I hope you like Soylent Green.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPRMdCSFI8E&t=4s

Hahaha, yeah that's next: soylent green. We can use all the imagined dead bodies from the corona virus for that. Hahaha.

[TurdyCurdyOne]

You're absolutely correct, the coronavirus has been around since the beginning of time, nothing new with here. The survival rate of people infected with Corona-19 is +99% . My point is, Why crash the Global economy? The common Flu is more dangerous. I'm calling bullshit on this one, there is something else going on that they are not telling us.

Yes, I suspect this also. What are the ulterior motives of these power hungry pols who are violating their oaths to defend the USA Constitution. But this is world wide. Is this an attempt to cement globalism by the uber / hidden rich? An attempt to destroy America? What?

It does show how many gullible and stupid and borderline hysterics there are in the world. The anxiety level must be high and / or most people are cowards who cannot stand up against despots.

Here in the Phil. Many no it's all BULL_crap. They are only following the rules because they are frightened of the cops here. Truth is then cannot start arresting people for violating the quarantine because then the cheap UKs will have to house and feed them.

[TurdyCurdyOne]

How can you believe the stuff you're reading. Common flu more dangerous? When did a flu double every few days (as little as 4 days) and kill up to 4% of the people it infected. And kill 40,000 people in about a month in one country. I'm calling bullshit on you.

Of course there have been many different coronaviruses. It's a family of viruses including the common cold. But this new one is a very bad one. And without the measures that have been taken the deaths would have been many many times greater.

No offense but bull. Death rate is less than 1%. More contagious but most don't even know they have it. Only those who are sick from other diseases or very old are at serious risk. What's your source of 4%?

[YippieKayay]

There is an article about it.

https://news.yahoo.com/sunlight-dest...200745675.html

Australia would be nice and toasty right now wouldn't it? I just took a look at their data and it looks wierd:

https://www.worldometers.info/corona...try/australia/

[TurdyCurdyOne]

The problem with with the ideal of "Freedom of choice" and letting people"evaluate their risk" when dealing with a contagious disease is that these people are going to spread it to other people. If someone is allowed to catch the disease than that's their choice sure. But are they also going to be responsible and stay home after they catch it- not go to the grocery store and breath all of over people? The ones who don't give a shit about being careful are not going to be trusted to keep themselves away from other people.

You know these protests do not reflect how the majority of people think right? Two polls, one from Gallup the other from a very respected marketing company.

71% of Americans are not ready to just jump back in to normalcy but are in a wait and see mode to see what happens with this virus.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/308264/...ck-normal.aspx

"69% saying they can accept extreme limitations for more than a month if it helps to suppress the infection rate. Two-thirds go so far as to say they don't care how long restrictions are in place if it prevents widespread illness and death. ".

https://www.herald-dispatch.com/wcn/...b42194585.html

There are a lot of stupid sheeple in the USA. The pols took an oath to defend the USA Consititution. They are violating that oath in the sam manor that communist / facist dictators do in other countries. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.