Colombia / Travel Coronavirus Updates

[Balboa]

You can book on several airlines on those days. I think they just go by what is already announced by the government. It probably is subjected to changes.

Yes, true, however, I have amigos in the business, and they are putting these flights on their work schedules.
Of course the flights could still cancel, however, its a bit more solid info when they are actually adding the flights to flight crew schedules.

Seems rather soon to me as well, however, Im hoping.
Time will tell.

[Nounce]

What's interesting is AA now has flights scheduled to fly MDE, CLO, and BOG everyday starting May 7th.

As well as to So Paulo, Santiago Chile and BA.

Interesting.

You can book on several airlines on those days. I think they just go by what is already announced by the government. It probably is subjected to changes.

[YippieKayay]

What's interesting is AA now has flights scheduled to fly MDE, CLO, and BOG everyday starting May 7th.

As well as to So Paulo, Santiago Chile and BA.

Interesting.

They will just cancel the flight on you if they can't do it when the day comes.

[Balboa]

Anyone has an educated guess on when can we return to Medellin? I'm guess is that they might let business people in first before they let the tourists back in. Its time to applying for a business visa.

What's interesting is AA now has flights scheduled to fly MDE, CLO, and BOG everyday starting May 7th.

As well as to São Paulo, Santiago Chile and BA.

Interesting.

[Surfer500]

Anyone has an educated guess on when can we return to Medellin? I'm guess is that they might let business people in first before they let the tourists back in. Its time to applying for a business visa.

I have no idea, but do know that Hong Kong and Japan are letting people in, but that is after being tested for COVID 19 and in addition being quarantined for 14 days at least in Hong Kong. In Japan, people arriving have been waiting up to two days at the airport for test results and sleeping in card-boxes provided at the Airport and having to pay for them as well which also includes snacks and beverages. So I believe Colombia will follow suit with testing protocols, but it may not be for months after the Country has been taken out of lock-down and back to whatever the "new normal" is.

[SJobs]

Anyone has an educated guess on when can we return to Medellin? I'm guess is that they might let business people in first before they let the tourists back in. Its time to applying for a business visa.

[Mojo Bandit]

You do understand the government is scaring the shit out of everyone to get them to comply with social distancing right?

No I don't. Because I am in constant contact with personal friends and family that are doctors and researchers who work in private practices and for corporations who all say the same thing that the government is saying.

But I am done responding you. I laid down the indisputable facts and you tried to dispute them with confabulation and distortion. So I am going to let you answer this one question and then everyone who is sane and reasonable will make their own determination as to the veracity of information that you. This is a simple yes or no question. Are the people in these videos and news stories all lying? Yes or No?

https://time.com/5814918/new-york-funeral-home/

https://nypost.com/2020/03/31/nyc-mo...irus-official/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IVCYEI0RyA

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/01/us/co...mes/index.html

https://www.newsday.com/news/health/...rus-1.43703606

[Mojo Bandit]

We were told without any mitigation, without any social distancing, US deaths could be as high as 2 million. That was an outrageous prediction but let's take it for what it's worth. In a country of 328 million, that's a 0.6% of the population. A far cry from the 4, 5, 10% rates the alarmists will throw at us.

I knew when all this started that people would later make claims about what "might have happen" but we will never know because with few exceptions we have all been social distancing.

[Nounce]

First, the speed, or said differently, contagiousness, of this virus really has nothing to do with lethality. Early reports show somewhere between 15% and 50% may have contracted the virus. I take those numbers with a grain of salt. But the speed of spread is almost irrelevant to the mortality.

Second, the daily death rate would absolutely be a great metric. But only if we had an accurate denominator. Fact: we are not testing every suspected case. That inflates the rate. In some instances, only those with serious health issues are being tested. Of course that inflates the mortality rate even more! Even the alarmist, Dr. Fauci says that the mortality rate is probably below 1%. And even the worst projections and models agree. We were told without any mitigation, without any social distancing, US deaths could be as high as 2 million. That was an outrageous prediction but let's take it for what it's worth. In a country of 328 million, that's a 0.6% of the population. A far cry from the 4, 5, 10% rates the alarmists will throw at us.

You make it too complicated. All you need is the number of daily deaths caused by the virus based on a population in a region, for example, per 10 k residents in NY or NYC. You may ask, what about under counting? My reply is that it does not matter if this is only a discussion on how deadly it is.

[JjBee62]

The the people who run the morgues do not give a fuck what numbers a website like zerohedge is publishing- jesus fucking christ. They do not give a fuck because they are not living speculation they are living reality. No more people are dying than died last year? I call bullshit! I have never seen bullshit fly so hard and fast into the face of reality. Do you think they went out and staged interviews with morgues and the people who run funeral homes who filled their establishments with mannequins? And they all staged a big lie? One funeral home director was a grown man crying when he said he had to put his own cousin on ice at an alternative site because of no space. I am standing watching people get soaking wet and your quoting a blog that says it is not raining. You need to know when you are being propagandized. Can you not tell the difference between the propagandized tilted numbers and the hard empirical facts of piles of bodies? Do you even have a clue of how it sounds to a sane person when I tell you that the morgues and funeral homes are turning people away. And you for some unfathomable reason ask "how can the morgues be overflowing?" They are and the state of denial does not change the state of reality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SypvzstNsjc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOhAiIYYZNo

https://www.forbes.com/sites/pascaledavies/2020/03/24/ice-rink-in-spain-becomes-makeshift-morgue-as-coronavirus-cases-surge/#606a9c554d8b
https://www.foxnews.com/world/spain-coronavirus-senior-homes-investigation-ice-rink
https://www.timesofisrael.com/record-627-deaths-in-italy-military-vehicles-said-used-to-transport-bodies/
https://abc7ny.com/funeral-homes-morgues-coronavirus-nyc-deaths/6073482/
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article241800591.html

Zerohedge is an investment blog in Bulgaria. It appears to be completely run be a small group of Bulgarians, from Bulgaria. I can only assume they give good investment advice. I don't expect they have a large group of investigative reporters working in the US. It appears they have no investigative reporters whatsoever. The best they can do is report what they pick up from other sources.

And there's the problem. Which sources do they choose? What is their agenda? For all its faults, at least the mainstream media agenda is simple: Sell Viagra. Number one priority is satisfy the advertisers.

But a bearish, libertarian, Bulgarian investment blog? Probably not getting a lot of advertising dollars from the pharmaceutical companies. What's their angle?

[Elvis 2008]

https://www.politico.com/states/new-...ile-up-1271316

I think you do not get what I said. The virus is very contagious, but it is not more deadly than the flu. That means you are going to have a lot more deaths at once versus being spread out over a several month period.

As far as the morgues filling up, that is a government thing. The government, in this case the state of New York, limited the number of services that funeral homes can have. It also limited the number of hours a crematory could be in operation. Per this article, you have had New York go from less than 30 deaths per week to 100. You can burn a body in two hours or less. That is 10 per day per machine, and they have at least four machines. They can also get portable crematories if necessary. The problem is that there are paperwork issues. Cause of death has to be established via death certificate before a body can be cremated, but the capacity to handle all the bodies so they do not overflow is there.

By the way, there have been people looking at overflowing hospitals in NYC and for these famed refrigerated trucks and cannot find them. This like the "we are running out of ventilators" is just more hysteria.

I actually had health care personnel in my area ***** because their hours are being cut back because all elective procedures have been banned. The hospitals in my area are less full than they have been in years.

[Elvis 2008]

The the people who run the morgues do not give a fuck what numbers a website like zerohedge is publishing- jesus fucking christ.

The numbers quoted in the article were from the CDC.

From one of your articles, "Eighty-five refrigerated trucks have been ordered from the military to hold the dead. The trucks are due in New York by the middle of April.

FEMA has requested that the Defense Department make available 100,000 body bags to assist state health agencies with mortuary affairs. The request comes as the White House revealed this week that as many as 240,000 Americans could die from the coronavirus. "

And now we are down to 60,000 estimated dead.

Coronavirus makes about 20% of the cases of common flu. I have already said that this was an extremely contagious variety.

You do understand the government is scaring the shit out of everyone to get them to comply with social distancing right? And that the media is an extension of government and reports what the government wants to be put out there? You are not going to find anyone who says that the death rate for this is on par with seasonal flu be on TV and not being made fun of. Well, maybe someone will quote numbers now that Dr. Fauci has revised the expected deaths downwards.

And if I were in government, I would be doing the same thing as to what is being done. Exaggerate the number, scare everyone, and pat the media on the head for following our directive. Then compliment myself when the numbers were better than projected. Then get myself ready for a medals and proclamations of being a hero in the media. I can see it now.

[Mojo Bandit]

Sigh. How can the morgues be overflowing when there were more people dying at this time last year than this year?

https://www.zerohedge.com/health/covid-19-saving-lives

The data with regards to number of people dying does not support the notion that morgues are overflowing and given that people are banned from going to hospitals, I would question the motives of anyone reporting it.

You guys really need to be careful and question and verify so much of the stuff that is being put out there. The media has been caught lying several times already.

The the people who run the morgues do not give a fuck what numbers a website like zerohedge is publishing- jesus fucking christ. They do not give a fuck because they are not living speculation they are living reality. No more people are dying than died last year? I call bullshit! I have never seen bullshit fly so hard and fast into the face of reality. Do you think they went out and staged interviews with morgues and the people who run funeral homes who filled their establishments with mannequins? And they all staged a big lie? One funeral home director was a grown man crying when he said he had to put his own cousin on ice at an alternative site because of no space. I am standing watching people get soaking wet and your quoting a blog that says it is not raining. You need to know when you are being propagandized. Can you not tell the difference between the propagandized tilted numbers and the hard empirical facts of piles of bodies? Do you even have a clue of how it sounds to a sane person when I tell you that the morgues and funeral homes are turning people away. And you for some unfathomable reason ask "how can the morgues be overflowing?" They are and the state of denial does not change the state of reality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SypvzstNsjc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOhAiIYYZNo

https://www.forbes.com/sites/pascaledavies/2020/03/24/ice-rink-in-spain-becomes-makeshift-morgue-as-coronavirus-cases-surge/#606a9c554d8b
https://www.foxnews.com/world/spain-coronavirus-senior-homes-investigation-ice-rink
https://www.timesofisrael.com/record-627-deaths-in-italy-military-vehicles-said-used-to-transport-bodies/
https://abc7ny.com/funeral-homes-morgues-coronavirus-nyc-deaths/6073482/
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article241800591.html

[Dcrist0527]

This virus has a speed that is more deadly. I think it will be much clearer if the comparison is using daily death rate.

First, the speed, or said differently, contagiousness, of this virus really has nothing to do with lethality. Early reports show somewhere between 15% and 50% may have contracted the virus. I take those numbers with a grain of salt. But the speed of spread is almost irrelevant to the mortality.

Second, the daily death rate would absolutely be a great metric. But only if we had an accurate denominator. Fact: we are not testing every suspected case. That inflates the rate. In some instances, only those with serious health issues are being tested. Of course that inflates the mortality rate even more! Even the alarmist, Dr. Fauci says that the mortality rate is probably below 1%. And even the worst projections and models agree. We were told without any mitigation, without any social distancing, US deaths could be as high as 2 million. That was an outrageous prediction but let's take it for what it's worth. In a country of 328 million, that's a 0.6% of the population. A far cry from the 4, 5, 10% rates the alarmists will throw at us.

[YippieKayay]

Haha, imagine that, a news article on the Vox site condemning Trump.

What does that have to do with anything? It's a properly sourced article. You can actually follow the links all the way to article at the French drug agency: https://www.ansm.sante.fr/S-informer...-d-information.