Colombia / Travel Coronavirus Updates

[Nounce]

We know your point is true from history:

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...18-spanish-flu

I think there is another problem in that the doctors maybe giving wrong advice on a virus they know very little about. They don't really know how the virus spread but they give advice which maybe insufficient on preventing it.

[Lou32]

I agree, your comment was ignorant. Why did you inject silly American politics into this discussion?

I withdraw this post.

[Surfer500]

In this case, I would actually bet on nature solving the problem more quickly than man can. If enough people get exposed to the virus and form immunity, then a vaccine will not be needed.

I posted earlier regarding my thoughts regarding North Korea. I suspect they are taking no draconian measures if any to handle those infected and just letting nature take it's course and at the end of the day a little smaller population, less mouths to feed, and none of the financial upending taking place all over the world. Perhaps this approach in retrospect may of been the way the world should of approached this.

Regardless, I see a vaccine needed which I predict will become a requirement for entry into Countries, no different than the Yellow Fever Certificate required by some Countries for entry.

[Knowledge]

Guys,

This is an unprecedented situation that transcends politics. I understand that for some nothing transcends politics. The world will be able to resolve this situation faster and with less long term damage if we try to find common ground.

[The Cane]

Ignorant partisanship in these times? See ya and wouldn't want to be ya: https://www.aol.com/article/news/202...ents/23963652/.

[The Cane]

I agree, your comment was ignorant. Why did you inject silly American politics into this discussion?

Excuse me, but I was attempting to agree with you. This is not a time for partisan politics, and I found his post to be unbelievably ignorant. Some people. No matter what.

[Lou32]

What I said. Unbelievably ignorant.

I agree, your comment was ignorant. Why did you inject silly American politics into this discussion?

[Mojo Bandit]

France Spain Italy.

[Elvis 2008]

Unfortunately this issue is dividing Republicans and Democrats even further apart at this time. I have gotten into shouting matches with a few good friends over this, and know others ready to dissolve friendships over this.

Like I said, this blame game is getting in the way of real information.

Lets hope a vaccine and miracle cure is developed rapidly so we can get back to Medellin and banging all those beautiful women.

The virus burned itself out in China, and it will do likewise in the USA and in Colombia. Doctors are getting better at treating the symptoms, another story not being told. When I talk about real information, I am talking about staying away from ibuprofen, selenium, and elderberry when sick. That is not out there nearly enough. Steroids were tried and found to hurt not help. Ventilator settings are now known. Nurses learn to suction better. Patients do better when not overloaded with too much fluid.

This is one doctor stated: Clinical course is predictable.

2-11 days after exposure (day 5 on average) flu like symptoms start.

On Day 10, Cytokine storm leading to acute ARDS and multiorgan failure. You can literally watch it happen in a matter of hours.

This is predominantly due to one cytokine called IL-6. Thing is, and this is not what is in any mathematical models, is that IL-6 can be lowered with a number of different methods. So when you have a patient failing, anything can and is being tried. Slowly, treatments that are not going to go through the FDA protocols will be shared once doctors hit on the right treatment.

People like to think that what all doctors do is follow these rigid scientific protocols. What really happens is a lot more trial and error than people realize.

That is the problem with all the gloom and doom Malthusian models. They just assume people are not going to get better in solving a problem, and they always do.

In this case, I would actually bet on nature solving the problem more quickly than man can. If enough people get exposed to the virus and form immunity, then a vaccine will not be needed.

[Elvis 2008]

That's a rather simplified view of the situation. Washington, New York, California and Louisiana?

I think if you add New Jersey to the list and you are at 5, but to me, the simplest thing to do is tune into mainstream media and say it is all Trump's problem.

Trump's failures are well documented: downplaying the crisis, putting the stock market above people. I have heard all of that ad nauseam.

But you don't hear about the Democrats screwups. For that, you can see those here and here:

https://twitter.com/tomselliott/stat...hern-epicenter

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/sta...13067234308096

And then you have this totally disgusting tweet from Hiliary Clinton:

https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/s...97001754894337

It doesn't do is any good to point fingers, but if we're going to do it, let's point them everywhere, rather than just picking our favorite target.

I must have missed the part where you pointed a finger at a Democrat. Okay, the CDC is under Trump. He has to own the CDC screwed up the testing. I get that. How about the NYC public health official who said everything was fine, and the city was prepared? Or the mayor of NYC telling everyone to keep eating out the same day the NBA quit its season? Or the mayor of NO not listening to the CDC? Or having a fucking parade in Chinatown in NYC in Feb? Or saying blocking flights from China was racist?

How are those states handling things now? Louisiana has cracked down. They appear to realize they screwed up bad. Next door, Mississippi is pretending there's nothing to worry about.

2746 total cases in Louisiana and 579 in Mississippi?

With a transmission rate of 2.5, it only takes a few.

Ooooh boy! You buy that? There were only 8 deaths in Beijing and 5 in Shanghai. That is a very imperfect number based on a lousy data set. There were 3300 dead in China, the number of active cases is way down there, and "experts" are predicting worst case scenario a million dead in the USA and best case 200,000. It is at that point the "experts" should be tuned out. Those "experts" seem to be like Hiliary Clinton cheering on larger number of cases and the dead.

Why didn't the number of cases in China explode? Whenever something good happens, man always takes the credit or the blame. They quarantined like we couldn't. Sure, it could have been that. Or the weather changed. Or pollution went way down ETC. Establishing cause and effect with a new virus is a guess at best.

Over the next 2 weeks we'll have a better idea how every state is doing. I expect few bright spots, except for states with very low population densities.

You don't have this information, but the peak is at five days after exposure, so we should start seeing some better news very quickly.

I highly doubt Colombia is going to only allow passengers from certain states. They'll either open up to a country, or not.

Oh yeah, my comment was in jest. I heard from one of my Colombian friends that Colombia somehow screwed up the count. Sigh. American has no flights scheduled until late April. I hope things are over by then, but my gut is we are looking at May.

The point of my post was to show how bad Trump derangement syndrome is. Here is this guy Lou saying that he is not going to get laid in Colombia because of Trump, and the thing is that if you watch certain news channels, it is completely normal to blame Trump for EVERYTHING.

So you have the Republican POV where the virus is no big deal. The Democratic POV where Trump screwed up and millions are going to die, and these topics not what to do to not get sick are squeezed out. I am tired of the blame game getting in the way of real news!

[The Cane]

Seriously, dude?

What I said. Unbelievably ignorant.

[Balboa]

Lets hope a vaccine and miracle cure is developed rapidly so we can get back to Medellin and banging all those beautiful women.

Man I hope so!

Just watched a special on "cures and vaccines" for this corona beast.

The doc said 2-3 weeks for good data on the Hydroxychlorquine, Zpak deal as well as Plasma use from those who've recovered.

A vaccine in hopefully 9-10 months from now, however, not to wait for the trials to end / drug approval to start production.

That would take too long.

Said there are several vaccines being tested so several shots on goal to work against this virus.

[Lou32]

If you want to go with the four states with the highest number of cases, Lou, they are all run by Democratic governors. Is that what you mean by poor crisis management?

Or did you mean the Democrats in Louisiana, the mayor of New Orleans and governor of Louisiana, who allowed Mardi Gras to go on as planned, and Louisiana had an explosion of cases?

So I think what is reasonable is that Colombia will let in Americans who live in states who voted for Trump and are led by Republican governors because those states have much fewer cases on average than other states.

And before you go off on one of those Republican knuckle dragger comments, I am the rarest of breeds these days. I actually vote for the best candidate which meant I voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012 and Trump in 2016.

In fact, I will say that when someone as intelligent as yourself makes the comment that you are not going to get laid in Colombia and it is Trump's fault, the virus is the least of the problems the USA has. How did a fucking virus with no known treatment become THIS political?

Seriously, dude?

[Mojo Bandit]

I don't know.

This is just my opinion, but I feel that relaxing all social distancing and pushing for a return to normal for Easter Sunday is a bad idea. We have not peaked yet and it's unlikely every carrier will be identified and isolated over the next 2 weeks.

If I'm correct, I would expect the number of new cases to begin to drop in 3 weeks, but then surge upwards the following week. That puts us back to day 1 again, except instead of 15 cases, we're starting at 500,000 cases. We would be lucky to peak by late June.

On the other hand, (still just my opinion), if we hold tight through April, possibly to mid May, we could have it under control and be back to normal early June.

We know your point is true from history:

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...18-spanish-flu

[Surfer500]

If you want to go with the four states with the highest number of cases, Lou, they are all run by Democratic governors. Is that what you mean by poor crisis management?

Or did you mean the Democrats in Louisiana, the mayor of New Orleans and governor of Louisiana, who allowed Mardi Gras to go on as planned, and Louisiana had an explosion of cases?

So I think what is reasonable is that Colombia will let in Americans who live in states who voted for Trump and are led by Republican governors because those states have much fewer cases on average than other states.

And before you go off on one of those Republican knuckle dragger comments, I am the rarest of breeds these days. I actually vote for the best candidate which meant I voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012 and Trump in 2016.

In fact, I will say that when someone as intelligent as yourself makes the comment that you are not going to get laid in Colombia and it is Trump's fault, the virus is the least of the problems the USA has. How did a fucking virus with no known treatment become THIS political?

Unfortunately this issue is dividing Republicans and Democrats even further apart at this time. I have gotten into shouting matches with a few good friends over this, and know others ready to dissolve friendships over this.

Lets hope a vaccine and miracle cure is developed rapidly so we can get back to Medellin and banging all those beautiful women.