Colombia / Travel Coronavirus Updates

[Mojo Bandit]

. I will never forget a microbiologist Professor stating, "In West Africa, if a child survives past the age of 5, they are basically immune to everything" he went on to explain that by that age, they have been exposed to all sorts of nasty shit, and lived. All this with no vaccinations..

Sounds like this microbiologists might have been prone to a little exaggeration "immune to everything"? First of all immunity is specific. It is not a muscle you exercise and it gets stronger. Immunity is very complex process that involves a range of defences within he body and it is often specific to the disease that one encounters which is why the seasonal flu kills less than. 01% because we have been passing that little ***** back and forth for hundreds of years and redeveloping our own immunity every time we encounter it - and yet it keeps morphing into something slightly different and coming back every year.

In immunology viruses are the devil because unlike say bacterial infection where the bacteria are a living organism inside our body. The virus is the devil and takes possession of the cells soul (figuratively speaking) by changing the RNA sequence and causing the cell to misbehave.

So while I believe that these people in West Africa maybe developing specific immunities to many things that exist in their environment. When something new comes along that immunity is not necessarily helpful. Viruses are the devil. So for example when this microbiologist chose to be use such hyperbole when he said they are immune to everything. I would have ask him why so many have died from AIDS related illness, brought on by infections of the HIV - a virus

[Fun Luvr]

I'll try this one last time. You claim COVID-19 will kill less than the seasonal flu. .../

You obviously have a reading comprehension problem. I never projected anything in the future. I only stated what has already happened. No matter how you twist my words, you will not find anywhere that I said the coronavirus WILL kill less than the flu. I learned the difference between "has' and "will" in elementary school. Obviously you have never learned the difference.

[JjBee62]

I clearly stated stats from the US. I am still waiting for you to show me where my numbers are "wrong, wrong wrong".

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An infectious disease expert at John Hopkins, who asked to remain anonymous, said "frankly we're all embarrassed. We've spent weeks looking at all the data and it turns out a guy, whose hobby is fucking prostitutes, had the answers all along."

Don't worry. Later tonight I'll give you an opportunity to bust my balls.

It doesn't matter whether the world is overreacting. That train has already left the station. None of this is going to stop on a dime. We're in this for probably a minimum of 2 months and all your comparisons to the flu won't change a thing.

Why waste time on "it's all blown out of proportion?" That won't put toilet paper on the roll. The best you can hope for is being able to tell everyone "I told you so" in a few months.

Time is better spent figuring out what you need to do to get through this. Just a few weeks ago I wrote about the weakness of the US supply chain. Yes. I'm a fucking prophet. Shortages are already an issue. Don't expect it to get better.

What are your vulnerabilities? What types of sanctions will have the greatest affect on you? How is your cash supply? How is your food supply? Do you know any Mormons you can move in with?

I sincerely hope you're 100% correct, but it still doesn't change the issues we are facing.

[YippieKayay]

I clearly stated stats from the US. I am still waiting for you to show me where my numbers are "wrong, wrong wrong".

I'll try this one last time. You claim COVID-19 will kill less than the seasonal flu. I showed you numbers and explained to you that its only beginning to spread. It has ravaged China and left thousands dead. Its now stalking across the globe. Many more will die (than the flu) if we don't hunker down.

The Spanish flu wasn't just 1918, it was also spreading in 1919 and 1920. It killed anywhere from 50 million to 100 million people.

I'm not going to argue the point anymore. If your head is so far up your ass you think everyone is overreacting then I'd suggest buying a tin foil hat and joining a flat earth society.

EDIT:

In this article an expert tells you why you have your head up your ass: https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/covid-19-has-the-potential-to-become-as-severe-as-the-spanish-flu/

[Fun Luvr]

... I will never forget a microbiologist Professor stating, "In West Africa, if a child survives past the age of 5, they are basically immune to everything" he went on to explain that by that age, they have been exposed to all sorts of nasty shit, and lived. All this with no vaccinations.

I suspect that the living conditions in Thailand, Philippines, India, China, etc. Are less than ideal, but there is something to be said about being "to clean" and your immune system becoming very weak, your immune system needs to be "exercised" so to speak. If you don't use it, you lose it, is one line of thought.

I think you are probably correct. I know suicides have an impact, but there are other reasons for the life expectancy starting to decrease in the US. Eating some dirt growing up was not all bad.

[Fun Luvr]

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/geogra...019-ncov-cases

As of right now the total number of deaths stand little under 8,000. ...

I clearly stated stats from the US. I am still waiting for you to show me where my numbers are "wrong, wrong wrong".

[JjBee62]

Please show me where my numbers are wrong. I am glad I don't live in your world. Why not just shoot yourself before all the gloom and doom happens?

The estimated flu deaths, according to the CDC, are 10,000 this flu season, but let's use 22,000. That's out of 20,000,000 cases. 1 out of every 1,000 die from the flu. 1 out of every 100 require medical treatment from the flu.

Globally there have been about 200,000 coronavirus cases (known). There have been nearly 8,000 deaths.

Here's the really fun part that you should love. It's called "extrapolation."

If, instead of 200,000 cases, we reach 20 million cases, how many coronavirus deaths can we expect? (Jeopardy theme plays.).

"What is 800,000?

"That is correct. How much did you wager".

[JjBee62]

Wait. So we can still fly in from the USA? Does Colombia have a shelter in place quarantine? Are people still partying in Parque LLeras?

Assuming the airline from the US is still running flights, assuming they decide to let you waste your money and get on the plane, yes. You can fly in to Colombia.

Then, you will sit in the airport, probably in a special waiting area set aside for people not allowed in, including potentially infected people, waiting for your flight back to the US.

Just not sure why anyone would pay to do that.

[Ty Down]

I am curious why you think that. Have you been to Thailand or the Philippines? I picked those two countries because I have been to both. I am 99% sure there is not social distancing there. Thailand has 170 active cases and the Philippines has 181. I have no idea why there is a huge difference in the percentage of people with the virus in different countries, with some of the lowest in countries that are densely populated and lower living conditions.

I've never been to Thailand or the Philippines, but I have been to West Africa several times. Back in the day I was involved in a few University research trips to West Africa. Of course a regular discussion among us was the living conditions, mortality rate, disease, and immunity came up from time to time. I will never forget a microbiologist Professor stating, "In West Africa, if a child survives past the age of 5, they are basically immune to everything" he went on to explain that by that age, they have been exposed to all sorts of nasty shit, and lived. All this with no vaccinations.

I suspect that the living conditions in Thailand, Philippines, India, China, etc. Are less than ideal, but there is something to be said about being "to clean" and your immune system becoming very weak, your immune system needs to be "exercised" so to speak. If you don't use it, you lose it, is one line of thought.

[YippieKayay]

Please show me where my numbers are wrong. I am glad I don't live in your world. Why not just shoot yourself before all the gloom and doom happens?

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/geogra...019-ncov-cases

As of right now the total number of deaths stand little under 8,000. It has just started to spread outside of China. I hope the death toll remains low, but this isn't promising. If left unchecked it would be MUCH higher.

EDIT: also look at the confirmed cases in the last 15 days. It accounts for HALF of all cases confirmed. The pandemic doubled in two weeks... really not a good sign.

[Fun Luvr]

Please humble yourself a little and consider that your numbers are wrong wrong wrong. COVID-19 (and later COVID-20) will claim more lives unless we all start taking measures to protect ourselves and our neighbours.

Please show me where my numbers are wrong. I am glad I don't live in your world. Why not just shoot yourself before all the gloom and doom happens?

[YippieKayay]

I am curious why you think that. Have you been to Thailand or the Philippines? I picked those two countries because I have been to both. I am 99% sure there is not social distancing there. Thailand has 170 active cases and the Philippines has 181. I have no idea why there is a huge difference in the percentage of people with the virus in different countries, with some of the lowest in countries that are densely populated and lower living conditions.

Those countries don't test as much. That's why you're seeing low numbers right now. The data isn't being collected. They are going to have an outbreak worse than other countries and when people start dropping the flies you'll see it in the news.

This isn't just one strain of the virus. We're going to see three or four waves over the next two years. A vaccine may help lower the spread but its highly infectious (R2. 2 which means everyone spreads it to two other people at least). Things are not going to be normal this year. Maybe sometime next year if enough herd immunity has built up. In the meantime western industrialized countries are trying to avoid a situation like the one in Italy, hence social distancing, to slow the spread.

I'm not wishing ill on any of these countries. I just wouldn't use their data to get the measure of things.

In my opinion, there has been an over-reaction in many areas to the coronavirus. Since October, there have been an estimated 22,000 deaths in the US from the flu. There have been 116 deaths from the coronavirus since it was detected in the US. All restaurants haven't been ordered closed because of the flu. But, it is what it is and we all have to wait it out and hope for the best outcome.

Please humble yourself a little and consider that your numbers are wrong wrong wrong. COVID-19 (and later COVID-20) will claim more lives unless we all start taking measures to protect ourselves and our neighbours.

[Fun Luvr]

I hope it stays that way. If Colombia doesn't implement social distancing soon they will have a massive outbreak like the one in Italy.

I am curious why you think that. Have you been to Thailand or the Philippines? I picked those two countries because I have been to both. I am 99% sure there is not social distancing there. Thailand has 170 active cases and the Philippines has 181. I have no idea why there is a huge difference in the percentage of people with the virus in different countries, with some of the lowest in countries that are densely populated and lower living conditions.

In my opinion, there has been an over-reaction in many areas to the coronavirus. Since October, there have been an estimated 22,000 deaths in the US from the flu. There have been 116 deaths from the coronavirus since it was detected in the US. All restaurants haven't been ordered closed because of the flu. But, it is what it is and we all have to wait it out and hope for the best outcome.

[Mojo Bandit]

Wait. So we can still fly in from the USA? Does Colombia have a shelter in place quarantine? Are people still partying in Parque LLeras?

You can only fly into Columbia if you are a Columbia citizen or legal resident of Colombia.

https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/c...ans/index.html

[LivingFossil]

I've been doing a bit of research and the travel ban announced by Duque this evening is for all land, maritime and river crossings both in and out of Colombia, until the end of May. It does not concern air travel, which was not mentioned. So, in principal, you can still leave Colombia via Bogota airport, according to the report.

https://www.vanguardia.com/colombia/...imas-NX2145816

Wait. So we can still fly in from the USA? Does Colombia have a shelter in place quarantine? Are people still partying in Parque LLeras?