Colombia / Travel Coronavirus Updates

[Mojo Bandit]

I heard that the CV came from ducks. But humans are immune to bird viruses so it's actually transferred from duck poop to pigs which is then transferred to us. And the problem with China is they have one of the largest domestication of pigs which is why a ton of viruses tend to come from China.

But depending on what terrorists are trying to do, it is actually much more effective to have a weaponized virus with a low death rate.

Yes but then again terrorist like to make a big noise and take credit for what they do, that's sort of the ideal of Terrorism is the group showing the world their capabilities for their "cause". Never has there been a sneaky terrorist. Outside of James Bond / Mission Impossible movies. There would be no point. Even though I think we can all agree that terrorists are just basically serial killers. The terrorist does not think so, the terrorists thinks they are a freedom fighter. So they take credit for their actions.

I had not read about the duck theory but from what the CDC says they wouldn't rule it out.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...s/summary.html

[SJobs]

Anyone have an educated guess on how long will this travel ban last?

[Steve Ohh]

Colombia is closed.

https://www.iatatravelcentre.com/int...1580226297.htm

[AdventureSeekr]

Posted in Medellin Expat group "Jet Blue just cancelled my flight to Ft Lauderdale from Medellin on Friday" Others have confirmed it is true.

[NormalAsianKid]

If it was a weaponized virus than it would be more fatal more than 3. 5%, This particular virus probably actually came from a wild animal in China, most likely originally a bat, but then it passed to some other wild animal that they suspect was then brought to animal market. This has happened before. Some Chinese are obsessed with traditional Chinese medicine which involves a lot of wild a rare animals, so people go out and haul these animals into markets and then these animals spread viruses into the population. It has also happened in Egypt with bats and camels, bats spread the virus to camels and then the camels spread it to people

I heard that the CV came from ducks. But humans are immune to bird viruses so it's actually transferred from duck poop to pigs which is then transferred to us. And the problem with China is they have one of the largest domestication of pigs which is why a ton of viruses tend to come from China.

But depending on what terrorists are trying to do, it is actually much more effective to have a weaponized virus with a low death rate. The problem with a deadly virus is that it'll kill a few people and then stop spreading because deadly viruses tend to put people into their death beds and it's really hard to infect other people when you're sick laying in bed. And then when you die, that virus dies with you. On the other hand, a weaker virus like the flu or CV, where it just gives most people a common cold will spread like wildfire. Nobody is going to self quarantine themselves because they have the sniffles or in the case of CV (you're contagious for a week before you even show symptoms). Which is where our problem lies, how can you stop the spread of a virus when you don't even know you have it till you've already passed it on to other people. Now I'm not saying the CV is a weaponized virus cause that opens a whole new can of worms but if the government wanted to do some population control, this is a pretty well made virus for that. It targets the older / sickly population who contribute less to the economy while using up the majority of medical resources and it doesn't seem to have a big effect on healthy younger people and doesn't affect kids at all.

I want to make it very clear that I'm not an expert on CV and this is all just stuff I've read / listened to. I also want to make it clear that I'm not saying this is a government conspiracy and that I'm definitely anti-CV. So please don't attack me, I'm just passing along information.

[NormalAsianKid]

From what I've read, the 3. 5% death rate is actually like 20% for the 60+ population and like <0. 1% for 20-30 age group. Now that definitely doesn't mean, oh I'm 25, I don't care about getting it cause it's just going to be a cold for me. The problem is if you get it and then pass it onto your parents. Or if you don't visit your parents much, if you pass it onto one of your friends who then goes and sees their parents. A 1/5 chance of having one of your parents die from a cold you passed to them is no joke.

I've also read that at this point, we are way past containment and if we don't find a cure, the CV will spread to about 70% of people in the US and then go away due to herd immunization. The big reason we are doing a mass shutdown is essentially to push the infection down the road. That will 1) maybe allow us to find a cure, 2) definitely be more prepared for when the masses are infected and 3) not overload our hospitals / other resources right now and instead spread out the hospital usage across many months. I've also read that the strain of the CV going around is a much weaker form than the one that was killing people in China. This could explain the insane growth in incidence rates but not a correlated growth in the death rates. But another simple explanation could just be that governments are under reporting the deaths and keeping it under wraps. If you think there is hysteria going on now, could you imagine if the general population found out the death rate was actually 10% higher? Scary stuff right here.

[JjBee62]

This is insane.

One of two things are happening, 1) this thing is real, and a real weaponized virus has escaped the lab; or 2) this is one gigantic mind fuck to cover something else up. WTF.

1. A weaponized virus with a mortality rate below 25% is a pretty crappy weapon. Especially a virus which is mostly ineffective against the age groups which make up the military. Frankly a weapon that wipes out the oldest of a population tends to make a country stronger.

2. That would be a huge mind fuck. You have to coordinate a big chunk of the Chinese population, plus almost everyone in South Korea and Italy, not to mention all the other doctors, techs, patients all around the world, bring in the CDC, WHO and equivalent agencies around the world and have zero leaks.

How about a #3?

3. It's a real disease, caused by a virus which is a hybrid of SARS and COVID-2. It's new. Nobody has natural antibodies, which makes it more severe. It has a high transmission rate. It causes pneumonia. It has a high hospitalization rate. It has a relatively high mortality rate. There's no cure and no vaccine.

No need for a conspiracy theory.

[Nounce]

I agree with you except for the part about testing. Positive or negative result the best practice is the same and there is no treatment or cure. Avoid crowds and practice good hygiene until it's over. No visits to the estadio for me anytime soon.

I phrased it that way is because Korea does not have lockdown and have a lot of testings done. Their outcome is very different from Italy. Beside stopping the transmission of virus, the lockdown is an alternative to testing because it basically waits for a person to become sick enough to determine if it is the coronavirus or flu.

[Ty Down]

This is insane.

One of two things are happening, 1) this thing is real, and a real weaponized virus has escaped the lab; or 2) this is one gigantic mind fuck to cover something else up. WTF.

[Blue Touch]

I wonder if this policy will reduce the amount of Venezuelan pros in Colombia gradually.

"Starting Monday, Colombia will temporarily ban the entry of foreign visitors traveling from Europe and Asia, President Ivan Duque said Friday.

In response to the coronavirus pandemic, the borders with Venezuela will be closed on Saturday already, the president said.

Visitors from the Americas will still be able to enter Colombia, but be subjected to compulsory health checks and tracked. ".

https://colombiareports.com/coronavi...rope-and-asia/

[AdventureSeekr]

You stated NY, not NYC. Closing schools is not a lockdown, nor is closing restaurants. The situation you describe in PR is a lockdown, limited, but still a lockdown.

https://breaking911.com/breaking-new...ty-shuts-down/

[Mojo Bandit]

Colombia will block entry to travelers who are not residents or citizens and will close schools and universities from Monday in a bid to control the outbreak of coronavirus, President Ivan Duque said on Sunday.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN21211B

[Husker Dude]

From the President's translation on Sunday, he announced all non citizens of Colombia are banned starting Monday. Citizens arriving will be in self quarantine for 14 days and also foreign citizens. American airlines has cancelled all flights to Colombia starting Monday.

[Fun Luvr]

Not even suggested is incorrect. It is already in process as we speak. I was referring to NYC and as of now its schools are closed. More is coming tomorrow or Tuesday. Nassau and Suffolk County as well. CT closes schools Tuesday. CA is heavily suggested by Governor, but will be mandatory soon. Its a moot point since most businesses are voluntarily closing anyway, it doesn't pay to stay open. Because you found discrepancies in one thing I mentioned quickly, you ignored ALL of the cited statements I've made over the past two days. Cool.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/15/n...-shutdown.html

I agree with Uthred, everyone make their own decisions. Let's end the covid discussion please.

You stated NY, not NYC. Closing schools is not a lockdown, nor is closing restaurants. The situation you describe in PR is a lockdown, limited, but still a lockdown.

[Mojo Bandit]

"Starting Monday, Colombia will temporarily ban the entry of foreign visitors traveling from Europe and Asia, President Ivan Duque said Friday.

In response to the coronavirus pandemic, the borders with Venezuela will be closed on Saturday already, the president said.

Visitors from the Americas will still be able to enter Colombia, but be subjected to compulsory health checks and tracked. ".

https://colombiareports.com/coronavi...rope-and-asia/