Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus!

[Rocky V]

Interesting point! Is it a coincidence that CV19 wreaked havoc in Southern Europe, with bad-irresponsible governments, huge corruption, huge debts, and an incompetent health authorities?

Sounds like you are talking about the UK, in that case, yes I agree!

I saw on the news that in France, wearing a face mask outside (in the fresh air!) is now mandatory, just like Spain! Masks outside! Hahahaha! It shows again what kind of irrational-emotional nutcases are in charge in those countries.

https://www.connexionfrance.com/Fren...ille-Nord-Nice

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53346750

Yes, "busting our ass" with the wrong treatments like placing people on ventilators (because in the US hospitals make big insurance bucks when patients end up on a ventilator), whilst actively preventing and even denying a very cheap and successful treatments like Hydroxycloroquine (in combination with Zinc, Vitamin C and Vitamine D) because of "Democrat versus Republicans" politics.

As always, there is no money or power in a quick and effective cure, but the real money and power is made in prolonging the problem as long as possible! This is what the politicians do (again, look at bankrupt countries in Souther Europe) and this is also what the medical establishment does.

So if I understand you correctly, you want an end to P6? This is what will happen when you introduce a "vaccine" for a constantly mutating Corona virus, because a constantly mutating virus will require a constantly changing "vaccine" (just imagine the billions for the pharmaceutical industry!) and this will require a constant totalitarian Big Brother surveillance state with CV19 tracking apps on every phone..

I feel sorry for you, mate, for being so angry at the world that you are prepared to give credit to the first facebook post that pops up in your page instead of listening to the experts, who have improved our lives massively over the last century. I don't even try to start replying to the massive disinformation you have cited in your post, because I feel your mind has been made up and There is nothing I can show you that can make an impact. You have been conned in believing that BS by people who think Trump has more medical knowledge than the Chief of the National Institute of Health: "Compassion for the conned, contempt for the conmen"!

[Rocky V]

I suppose you are right. Columbus did in fact find the vaccine to an overpopulated Europe when he took the chance of crossing the Atlantic to settle in the New World. And I suppose it is a good thing how they infected and killed off 90% of the native populace with typhus, cholera, small pox, influenza, malaria, bubonic plague, scarlet fever, leishmania, filaria, septisemic plague, dengue fever, schistosomiasis, tetanus, anthrax, botulism, toxoplasmosis, legionella, syphilis, tape worms, fungal diseases and African sleeping sickness etc etc etc.

I hope you are being sarcastic as opposed to not understanding this metaphor.

When it comes to crispr I am actually more optimistic. But that has nothing to do with medical practices. It has 100% everything to do with computer science and how gene mapping and individual treatments can be managed on a one to one basis instead of mass production methods, and total chaos with absolutely no control. The cut and paste mechanism can also be improved by using more developed proteins than cas9.

Yes, it is promising but we are at the very beginning in understanding the real potential. Using this technology in humans is still not recommended and the Chinese researcher that tried to do it has been rightly put into a prison cell by the Chinese Government.

[Sirioja]

Mask is to put on in France in crowded and public places and shops. Nobody ask me to put on mask when I climbed Iseran 2770 high yesterday or will Cormet Roseland today, but we don t want to have 2000 deaths like US yesterday, figure given by US university, 5 months after starting there.

[HammerTime96]

By the way, the German forum I sometimes read has closed down any discussion about the future of FKK clubs. Talking about Normalcy Bias.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normalcy_bias

Sure, stick your head in the sand and just ban all discussions and blindly follow what your government tells you, that will make all problems go away, because that has worked so well in the past during the Militarism under the Kaiser, during National Socialism under the Fuehrer, and under the Politburo fascists in the DDR! / sarc.

[HammerTime96]

Is the french government telling the people that the taxes will increase, that France is close to bankrupt like Italy, Spain.

Interesting point! Is it a coincidence that CV19 wreaked havoc in Southern Europe, with bad-irresponsible governments, huge corruption, huge debts, and an incompetent health authorities?

I saw on the news that in France, wearing a face mask outside (in the fresh air!) is now mandatory, just like Spain! Masks outside! Hahahaha! It shows again what kind of irrational-emotional nutcases are in charge in those countries.

https://www.connexionfrance.com/Fren...ille-Nord-Nice

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53346750

What really pisses me off is that people in the healthcare industry have been busting our asses for 6 months having to clean up the mess of people who think like this.

Yes, "busting our ass" with the wrong treatments like placing people on ventilators (because in the US hospitals make big insurance bucks when patients end up on a ventilator), whilst actively preventing and even denying a very cheap and successful treatments like Hydroxycloroquine (in combination with Zinc, Vitamin C and Vitamine D) because of "Democrat versus Republicans" politics.

As always, there is no money or power in a quick and effective cure, but the real money and power is made in prolonging the problem as long as possible! This is what the politicians do (again, look at bankrupt countries in Souther Europe) and this is also what the medical establishment does.

So if I understand you correctly, you want an end to P6? This is what will happen when you introduce a "vaccine" for a constantly mutating Corona virus, because a constantly mutating virus will require a constantly changing "vaccine" (just imagine the billions for the pharmaceutical industry!) and this will require a constant totalitarian Big Brother surveillance state with CV19 tracking apps on every phone.

Just because a handful of poor souls here don't have a life by spending their entire life on this forum, this doesn't mean that most other people want to have their FKK club visits tracked by the government!

Posting on a P6 site that you want a CV19 tracking app and a "vaccine," is like the turkeys voting for Thanksgiving.

[Mursenary]

Thank you, because this exactly underscores my opinion that COVID-19 isn't that big of a deal, and that all these Millennial Snowflake cries for "masks!" and "lockdowns!" and "social distancing!" and "tracking apps!" and "we need to bypass all due diligence for a vaccine!" are just panic and noise.

The media wants you to believe that, like Spanish Flu, you might die any moment and that "the virus" is everywhere" and that some people are walking time bombs ("super-spreaders" but when you calmly look at the numbers and calmly look at the enormous progress in medical science there is hardly much need for panic.

The irony is that a very simple, cheap and successful medical treatments as Hydroxichloroquine (In combination with Zinc + Vitamin C+ Vitamin D! Is being attacked for political reasons (I. E. Trump supported it), which makes me suspicious that other political elements want to blow up this "crisis" much bigger than it actually is.

Back on topic, as I've stated in a different topic, I think that the 2020 FKK 'season' is over and that Germany has missed the time window to have reopened FKK clubs under safe conditions during this beautifully warm summer. Every day, the daylight period get shorter, every day we get closer to the wet and cold autumn and the start of the flu season, and therefore every day we get closer to more "we have x-amount of CV19 cases," more lockdowns, more media panic, and more "we need a vaccine!" madness!

What really pisses me off is that people in the healthcare industry have been busting our asses for 6 months having to clean up the mess of people who think like this.

[Mursenary]

Thank you, because this exactly underscores my opinion that COVID-19 isn't that big of a deal, and that all these Millennial Snowflake cries for "masks!" and "lockdowns!" and "social distancing!" and "tracking apps!" and "we need to bypass all due diligence for a vaccine!" are just panic and noise.

The media wants you to believe that, like Spanish Flu, you might die any moment and that "the virus" is everywhere" and that some people are walking time bombs ("super-spreaders" but when you calmly look at the numbers and calmly look at the enormous progress in medical science there is hardly much need for panic.

The irony is that a very simple, cheap and successful medical treatments as Hydroxichloroquine (In combination with Zinc + Vitamin C+ Vitamin D! Is being attacked for political reasons (I. E. Trump supported it), which makes me suspicious that other political elements want to blow up this "crisis" much bigger than it actually is.

Back on topic, as I've stated in a different topic, I think that the 2020 FKK 'season' is over and that Germany has missed the time window to have reopened FKK clubs under safe conditions during this beautifully warm summer. Every day, the daylight period get shorter, every day we get closer to the wet and cold autumn and the start of the flu season, and therefore every day we get closer to more "we have x-amount of CV19 cases," more lockdowns, more media panic, and more "we need a vaccine!" madness!

I hope no one actually takes the comments in this post seriously. Just don't, for the sake of public health.

[Pistons]

Nothing is failproof in medicine and some serious side effects may always happen, but the chances of these occurring are extremely low. Without a risk / benefit assessment, nothing would be done. If Columbus has considered everything that could've gone wrong in sailing across the ocean, he would have never left.

CRISPR is a brand new technology and it is expected not to be perfect. It has the potential to cure many cancers and genetic diseases like hemophilia and other rare diseases, but it is far from being perfect. All the first versions of anything are far from perfect, just compare iPhone1 with iPhone10.

I suppose you are right. Columbus did in fact find the vaccine to an overpopulated Europe when he took the chance of crossing the Atlantic to settle in the New World. And I suppose it is a good thing how they infected and killed off 90% of the native populace with typhus, cholera, small pox, influenza, malaria, bubonic plague, scarlet fever, leishmania, filaria, septisemic plague, dengue fever, schistosomiasis, tetanus, anthrax, botulism, toxoplasmosis, legionella, syphilis, tape worms, fungal diseases and African sleeping sickness etc etc etc.

When it comes to crispr I am actually more optimistic. But that has nothing to do with medical practices. It has 100% everything to do with computer science and how gene mapping and individual treatments can be managed on a one to one basis instead of mass production methods, and total chaos with absolutely no control. The cut and paste mechanism can also be improved by using more developed proteins than cas9.

[ExpatLover]

EL: French government doesn't lie, are you so sure about it? Tchernobyl disaster just stopped on the borders, one of my very closed friend work in Ministere de la Sante, I can tell you that many deaths at home or in the EPHAD were not reported as linked with COVID. The social and economical situation in France is terrible, the government has to manage the spirit of the citizen by not telling the truth, the bad is just coming for a lot of European countries which were not able to stay competitive by strongly restructuring the public finances in the last decades. Is the french government telling the people that the taxes will increase, that France is close to bankrupt like Italy, Spain.

[Sirioja]

Thank you, because this exactly underscores my opinion that COVID-19 isn't that big of a deal, and that all these Millennial Snowflake cries for "masks!" and "lockdowns!" and "social distancing!" and "tracking apps!" and "we need to bypass all due diligence for a vaccine!" are just panic and noise.

The media wants you to believe that, like Spanish Flu, you might die any moment and that "the virus" is everywhere" and that some people are walking time bombs ("super-spreaders" but when you calmly look at the numbers and calmly look at the enormous progress in medical science there is hardly much need for panic.

The irony is that a very simple, cheap and successful medical treatments as Hydroxichloroquine (In combination with Zinc + Vitamin C+ Vitamin D! Is being attacked for political reasons (I. E. Trump supported it), which makes me suspicious that other political elements want to blow up this "crisis" much bigger than it actually is.

Back on topic, as I've stated in a different topic, I think that the 2020 FKK 'season' is over and that Germany has missed the time window to have reopened FKK clubs under safe conditions during this beautifully warm summer. Every day, the daylight period get shorter, every day we get closer to the wet and cold autumn and the start of the flu season, and therefore every day we get closer to more "we have x-amount of CV19 cases," more lockdowns, more media panic, and more "we need a vaccine!" madness!

I m just amazed, even I take my own risks but I give true ID because I want to be informed if I m at risk, but I can t put my brain in my ass about around 40 thousands deaths in my country where we don t play lies, more than 150 thousands in US, Sweden without confined but with 560 deaths per million people when France have 450 for this rate, which is already much too much. More than 500 thousands deaths all over the world and not finished with virus still spreading, even in Western Europe when we have close to 40 degrees, when Barcelona is confined again, so, for my brain, Germany is right to try to protect their citizens when brothels are the riskiest places where only 1 girl can infect many guys who will infect relatives back at home, when virus still in Germany.

[HammerTime96]

Sure we survived, just til an average of 40. Damn you science and your preventative methods causing our life expectancy to nearly double in 150 years. Damn you medicine and your life saving vaccines! LOL.

Do you realize that in 1918, we didn't have things like ventilators, defibrillators, high flow oxygen, respiratory therapists, doctors who are specialists, anesthesia for surgery, 5th generation antibiotics, cardiac monitoring, vasoactive drugs, antiviral medication, etc. What a silly comparison.

Thank you, because this exactly underscores my opinion that COVID-19 isn't that big of a deal, and that all these Millennial Snowflake cries for "masks!" and "lockdowns!" and "social distancing!" and "tracking apps!" and "we need to bypass all due diligence for a vaccine!" are just panic and noise.

The media wants you to believe that, like Spanish Flu, you might die any moment and that "the virus" is everywhere" and that some people are walking time bombs ("super-spreaders" but when you calmly look at the numbers and calmly look at the enormous progress in medical science there is hardly much need for panic.

The irony is that a very simple, cheap and successful medical treatments as Hydroxichloroquine (In combination with Zinc + Vitamin C+ Vitamin D! Is being attacked for political reasons (I. E. Trump supported it), which makes me suspicious that other political elements want to blow up this "crisis" much bigger than it actually is.

Back on topic, as I've stated in a different topic, I think that the 2020 FKK 'season' is over and that Germany has missed the time window to have reopened FKK clubs under safe conditions during this beautifully warm summer. Every day, the daylight period get shorter, every day we get closer to the wet and cold autumn and the start of the flu season, and therefore every day we get closer to more "we have x-amount of CV19 cases," more lockdowns, more media panic, and more "we need a vaccine!" madness!

[Rocky V]

OK, I admit I jumped to a few assumptions regarding how a vaccine against a virus works. But a specialist I trust and have talked to claimed that there are side effects in every case where the vaccine virus actually enters inside and manages to instruct the immune system (as you are working it).

And to me this is the only logical conclusion to make also. Just look at crispr cas-9 research, and how the cas-9 instructions in a large amount of cases rewrites more than it should. And as far as I know, virus vaccines are even less failproof than cas-9. Far less.

Nothing is failproof in medicine and some serious side effects may always happen, but the chances of these occurring are extremely low. Without a risk / benefit assessment, nothing would be done. If Columbus has considered everything that could've gone wrong in sailing across the ocean, he would have never left.

CRISPR is a brand new technology and it is expected not to be perfect. It has the potential to cure many cancers and genetic diseases like hemophilia and other rare diseases, but it is far from being perfect. All the first versions of anything are far from perfect, just compare iPhone1 with iPhone10.

[Pistons]

OK, there is some confusion here. Vaccines are not cells, but just part of viruses. Viruses are a mix of proteins and genetic material and cannot replicate unless they enter a host cell and use the cell's replicating machinery to multiply. A way of producing vaccines is to identify the protein that the virus uses to attach to the host cell in order to enter inside and use that to instruct the immune system to produce antibodies against a vital part of the virus. Another way is to produce antibodies against the virus and inoculate those into patients, this is usually made by purifying antibodies from the plasma of people, who have recovered. This way may have more side effects and it is actually the original way people discovered the immune response.

OK, I admit I jumped to a few assumptions regarding how a vaccine against a virus works. But a specialist I trust and have talked to claimed that there are side effects in every case where the vaccine virus actually enters inside and manages to instruct the immune system (as you are working it).

And to me this is the only logical conclusion to make also. Just look at crispr cas-9 research, and how the cas-9 instructions in a large amount of cases rewrites more than it should. And as far as I know, virus vaccines are even less failproof than cas-9. Far less.

[Steve Ohh]

Sex work will be possible next month.

https://www.zeit.de/gesellschaft/zei...n-prostitution

While I am not looking forward to it, I wouldn't mind getting infected since the CDC's latest report says the morbidity rate is about 0. 002.

Of course I am not elderly, chronically ill, or overweight.

After all, I fuck prostitutes in countries like Thailand where a huge percentage of them has HIV.

But you're right about the "return to normalcy. " People simply haven't woken up, but the reality is that it's going to be a very long time before anything like an FKK reopens. Years in fact. Probably many years, and then there will be permanent changes that are too far gone to reverse.

I wouldn't hold my breathe for an effective vaccine.

If they ever make one that is actually effective (unlike the flu shot) it would be next to impossible to create and distribute 8 billion doses across 200 countries in a reasonable amount of time. It's just not going to happen.

Especially when 25 percent of people say they won't take the vaccine anyway.

[Rocky V]

Let me guess? You work for a big pharma corporation or Bill Gates?

You can perfectly study and have a career in bio-medicine without the support of pharma or Bill Gates, who I have never had the pleasure to meet.

There have been plenty of cases where big pharma corporations lied or manipulated 'studies' in order to get their medications and vaccines approved by regulators and push it to the unsuspecting public. There is a HUGE conflict of interest.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018...-spark-ethical

Pharma is not a perfect system and corruption is endemic in human society. However, things are not always black or white but they can also be grey. The development of pharmaceuticals and new medical technologies (CRISPR, etc.) would have never been possible without the funding of pharma. This is because governments around the world are now more interested in spending their resources in the military rather than in scientific research.

So now we have all those "experts" on TV telling us 24 hours per day that vaccines are "safe," and of course you won't hear ANY critical voices in the mainstream media of people who warn about possible side effects.

We should never consider anything completely 'safe' but, as I explained is always a judgement of risk and benefits. There will always be side effects. Even when you take paracetamol you get side effects in the liver, which you may not sense at all. Even herbal teas can be toxic if the herbs are harvested in the wrong time of the year, where they produce toxins against seasonal parasites.

What really scares me is that some people are so desperate (addicted?) to visit a German FKK club that they are willing to give up their entire privacy (tracking apps) and even cry for a rushed and barely tested and controversial RNA vaccine so that they can fuck some pussy.

These are two different issues, but we get track anyway by Google every time we drive or walk somewhere with google apps and nobody knows where that information is finally stored. Side effects of vaccines are usually mild, and we even breathe and swallow viral RNA every day we go outside, but this does not stop us from doing it.

On a larger scale, how did the human race ever survive thousands of years without vaccines? Since the outbreak in January, now 18 million people have been infected, and roughly 700 k have died. https://www.worldometers.info/corona...us-death-toll/.

Sure, +- 700 k people is a lot, but please put things into perspective: every year +- 57 million people die (see WHO link below) and compared to the Spanish Flu of 1918 (17-50 million deaths) this COVID-19 is not serious at all.

https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-s...auses-of-death

Very good questions and I'd love to talk to you about past pandemics. The pandemic in the 1300 is estimated to have killed 35% of European population and came in different waves. Some people survived because they managed to build immunity and those genetic traits were passed on down to the subsequent generations and some others survived the following waves maybe because of the virus weakened and it only caused mild symptoms. This is what has happened with the Spanish flu. We still get infected with the Spanish flu, but most don't die from it anymore because the virus has weakened and it only causes flu-like symptoms.

What we see is that the world now is run by fragile Snowflakes who are easily scared by the mainstream media about a "virus" with "x-million cases" and "a need for a vaccine," and cry for the government and big corporations to rule their lives.

What alternative media do you follow and how do you know it is genuine? Is it because they tell you things you really want to hear? Everyone has a role in this world. I don't see the same animosity towards the aerospace industry, road safety, food safety, building safety etc. Those are also industries that have been running our lives to increase our life standards. Look up what the average life expectancy was at the beginning of 1900, or how many house fires occurred every day, or how many people got poisoned by food they were buying at the stores.

I really don't see how letting the government and big corporations run your lives can, in the long run, be positive for the P6 industry, an industry that traditionally has been full of independent minded people. Most prostitutes are independent business women in charge of their own body, and most customers are earning their own money and want to decide themselves on how to spend it.

See above.