Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus!

[BigBuddy69]

Maybe you should look more closely. That's only in some cities, especially in very crowded streets or places.

[BigBuddy69]

Maybe you should look more closely. That's only in certain cities, especially in very crowded streets or places.

[Mursenary]

Yes, "busting our ass" with the wrong treatments like placing people on ventilators (because in the US hospitals make big insurance bucks when patients end up on a ventilator), whilst actively preventing and even denying a very cheap and successful treatments like Hydroxycloroquine (in combination with Zinc, Vitamin C and Vitamine D) because of "Democrat versus Republicans" politics.

So disrespectful. It amazes me how people who know so little about a subject matter speak like they know so much.

What you're proposing would suggest that the world is out to get a certain political affiliation by not using HCQ and "wrongly" intubating patients. Guess what? American politics do not dictate medical standards of care throughout the entire world! No one during a pandemic gives a shit about your president and his ignorant base wishing into thin air that a medicine works. Dozens of published post intervention studies have repeated shown that HCQ didn't do jack diddly squat but you crazies keep breathing it back to life, wasting everyone's energy.

The arrogance in the Trump base who thinks the world revolves around their reality. HCQ is not used not because of political reasons or else it would have been a part of standards of care elsewhere in the world. People in Singapore, New Zealand, Taiwan, Switzerland, etc don't give a damn about American political micro-drama. Get over yourselves.

In conclusion, it don't work, we've tried.

[Rocky V]

Interesting point! Is it a coincidence that CV19 wreaked havoc in Southern Europe, with bad-irresponsible governments, huge corruption, huge debts, and an incompetent health authorities?

Sounds like you are talking about the UK, in that case, yes I agree!

I saw on the news that in France, wearing a face mask outside (in the fresh air!) is now mandatory, just like Spain! Masks outside! Hahahaha! It shows again what kind of irrational-emotional nutcases are in charge in those countries.

https://www.connexionfrance.com/Fren...ille-Nord-Nice

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53346750

Yes, "busting our ass" with the wrong treatments like placing people on ventilators (because in the US hospitals make big insurance bucks when patients end up on a ventilator), whilst actively preventing and even denying a very cheap and successful treatments like Hydroxycloroquine (in combination with Zinc, Vitamin C and Vitamine D) because of "Democrat versus Republicans" politics.

As always, there is no money or power in a quick and effective cure, but the real money and power is made in prolonging the problem as long as possible! This is what the politicians do (again, look at bankrupt countries in Souther Europe) and this is also what the medical establishment does.

So if I understand you correctly, you want an end to P6? This is what will happen when you introduce a "vaccine" for a constantly mutating Corona virus, because a constantly mutating virus will require a constantly changing "vaccine" (just imagine the billions for the pharmaceutical industry!) and this will require a constant totalitarian Big Brother surveillance state with CV19 tracking apps on every phone..

I feel sorry for you, mate, for being so angry at the world that you are prepared to give credit to the first facebook post that pops up in your page instead of listening to the experts, who have improved our lives massively over the last century. I don't even try to start replying to the massive disinformation you have cited in your post, because I feel your mind has been made up and There is nothing I can show you that can make an impact. You have been conned in believing that BS by people who think Trump has more medical knowledge than the Chief of the National Institute of Health: "Compassion for the conned, contempt for the conmen"!

[Rocky V]

I suppose you are right. Columbus did in fact find the vaccine to an overpopulated Europe when he took the chance of crossing the Atlantic to settle in the New World. And I suppose it is a good thing how they infected and killed off 90% of the native populace with typhus, cholera, small pox, influenza, malaria, bubonic plague, scarlet fever, leishmania, filaria, septisemic plague, dengue fever, schistosomiasis, tetanus, anthrax, botulism, toxoplasmosis, legionella, syphilis, tape worms, fungal diseases and African sleeping sickness etc etc etc.

I hope you are being sarcastic as opposed to not understanding this metaphor.

When it comes to crispr I am actually more optimistic. But that has nothing to do with medical practices. It has 100% everything to do with computer science and how gene mapping and individual treatments can be managed on a one to one basis instead of mass production methods, and total chaos with absolutely no control. The cut and paste mechanism can also be improved by using more developed proteins than cas9.

Yes, it is promising but we are at the very beginning in understanding the real potential. Using this technology in humans is still not recommended and the Chinese researcher that tried to do it has been rightly put into a prison cell by the Chinese Government.

[Sirioja]

Mask is to put on in France in crowded and public places and shops. Nobody ask me to put on mask when I climbed Iseran 2770 high yesterday or will Cormet Roseland today, but we don t want to have 2000 deaths like US yesterday, figure given by US university, 5 months after starting there.

[HammerTime96]

By the way, the German forum I sometimes read has closed down any discussion about the future of FKK clubs. Talking about Normalcy Bias.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normalcy_bias

Sure, stick your head in the sand and just ban all discussions and blindly follow what your government tells you, that will make all problems go away, because that has worked so well in the past during the Militarism under the Kaiser, during National Socialism under the Fuehrer, and under the Politburo fascists in the DDR! / sarc.

[HammerTime96]

Is the french government telling the people that the taxes will increase, that France is close to bankrupt like Italy, Spain.

Interesting point! Is it a coincidence that CV19 wreaked havoc in Southern Europe, with bad-irresponsible governments, huge corruption, huge debts, and an incompetent health authorities?

I saw on the news that in France, wearing a face mask outside (in the fresh air!) is now mandatory, just like Spain! Masks outside! Hahahaha! It shows again what kind of irrational-emotional nutcases are in charge in those countries.

https://www.connexionfrance.com/Fren...ille-Nord-Nice

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53346750

What really pisses me off is that people in the healthcare industry have been busting our asses for 6 months having to clean up the mess of people who think like this.

Yes, "busting our ass" with the wrong treatments like placing people on ventilators (because in the US hospitals make big insurance bucks when patients end up on a ventilator), whilst actively preventing and even denying a very cheap and successful treatments like Hydroxycloroquine (in combination with Zinc, Vitamin C and Vitamine D) because of "Democrat versus Republicans" politics.

As always, there is no money or power in a quick and effective cure, but the real money and power is made in prolonging the problem as long as possible! This is what the politicians do (again, look at bankrupt countries in Souther Europe) and this is also what the medical establishment does.

So if I understand you correctly, you want an end to P6? This is what will happen when you introduce a "vaccine" for a constantly mutating Corona virus, because a constantly mutating virus will require a constantly changing "vaccine" (just imagine the billions for the pharmaceutical industry!) and this will require a constant totalitarian Big Brother surveillance state with CV19 tracking apps on every phone.

Just because a handful of poor souls here don't have a life by spending their entire life on this forum, this doesn't mean that most other people want to have their FKK club visits tracked by the government!

Posting on a P6 site that you want a CV19 tracking app and a "vaccine," is like the turkeys voting for Thanksgiving.

[Mursenary]

Thank you, because this exactly underscores my opinion that COVID-19 isn't that big of a deal, and that all these Millennial Snowflake cries for "masks!" and "lockdowns!" and "social distancing!" and "tracking apps!" and "we need to bypass all due diligence for a vaccine!" are just panic and noise.

The media wants you to believe that, like Spanish Flu, you might die any moment and that "the virus" is everywhere" and that some people are walking time bombs ("super-spreaders" but when you calmly look at the numbers and calmly look at the enormous progress in medical science there is hardly much need for panic.

The irony is that a very simple, cheap and successful medical treatments as Hydroxichloroquine (In combination with Zinc + Vitamin C+ Vitamin D! Is being attacked for political reasons (I. E. Trump supported it), which makes me suspicious that other political elements want to blow up this "crisis" much bigger than it actually is.

Back on topic, as I've stated in a different topic, I think that the 2020 FKK 'season' is over and that Germany has missed the time window to have reopened FKK clubs under safe conditions during this beautifully warm summer. Every day, the daylight period get shorter, every day we get closer to the wet and cold autumn and the start of the flu season, and therefore every day we get closer to more "we have x-amount of CV19 cases," more lockdowns, more media panic, and more "we need a vaccine!" madness!

What really pisses me off is that people in the healthcare industry have been busting our asses for 6 months having to clean up the mess of people who think like this.

[Mursenary]

Thank you, because this exactly underscores my opinion that COVID-19 isn't that big of a deal, and that all these Millennial Snowflake cries for "masks!" and "lockdowns!" and "social distancing!" and "tracking apps!" and "we need to bypass all due diligence for a vaccine!" are just panic and noise.

The media wants you to believe that, like Spanish Flu, you might die any moment and that "the virus" is everywhere" and that some people are walking time bombs ("super-spreaders" but when you calmly look at the numbers and calmly look at the enormous progress in medical science there is hardly much need for panic.

The irony is that a very simple, cheap and successful medical treatments as Hydroxichloroquine (In combination with Zinc + Vitamin C+ Vitamin D! Is being attacked for political reasons (I. E. Trump supported it), which makes me suspicious that other political elements want to blow up this "crisis" much bigger than it actually is.

Back on topic, as I've stated in a different topic, I think that the 2020 FKK 'season' is over and that Germany has missed the time window to have reopened FKK clubs under safe conditions during this beautifully warm summer. Every day, the daylight period get shorter, every day we get closer to the wet and cold autumn and the start of the flu season, and therefore every day we get closer to more "we have x-amount of CV19 cases," more lockdowns, more media panic, and more "we need a vaccine!" madness!

I hope no one actually takes the comments in this post seriously. Just don't, for the sake of public health.

[Pistons]

Nothing is failproof in medicine and some serious side effects may always happen, but the chances of these occurring are extremely low. Without a risk / benefit assessment, nothing would be done. If Columbus has considered everything that could've gone wrong in sailing across the ocean, he would have never left.

CRISPR is a brand new technology and it is expected not to be perfect. It has the potential to cure many cancers and genetic diseases like hemophilia and other rare diseases, but it is far from being perfect. All the first versions of anything are far from perfect, just compare iPhone1 with iPhone10.

I suppose you are right. Columbus did in fact find the vaccine to an overpopulated Europe when he took the chance of crossing the Atlantic to settle in the New World. And I suppose it is a good thing how they infected and killed off 90% of the native populace with typhus, cholera, small pox, influenza, malaria, bubonic plague, scarlet fever, leishmania, filaria, septisemic plague, dengue fever, schistosomiasis, tetanus, anthrax, botulism, toxoplasmosis, legionella, syphilis, tape worms, fungal diseases and African sleeping sickness etc etc etc.

When it comes to crispr I am actually more optimistic. But that has nothing to do with medical practices. It has 100% everything to do with computer science and how gene mapping and individual treatments can be managed on a one to one basis instead of mass production methods, and total chaos with absolutely no control. The cut and paste mechanism can also be improved by using more developed proteins than cas9.

[ExpatLover]

EL: French government doesn't lie, are you so sure about it? Tchernobyl disaster just stopped on the borders, one of my very closed friend work in Ministere de la Sante, I can tell you that many deaths at home or in the EPHAD were not reported as linked with COVID. The social and economical situation in France is terrible, the government has to manage the spirit of the citizen by not telling the truth, the bad is just coming for a lot of European countries which were not able to stay competitive by strongly restructuring the public finances in the last decades. Is the french government telling the people that the taxes will increase, that France is close to bankrupt like Italy, Spain.

[Sirioja]

Thank you, because this exactly underscores my opinion that COVID-19 isn't that big of a deal, and that all these Millennial Snowflake cries for "masks!" and "lockdowns!" and "social distancing!" and "tracking apps!" and "we need to bypass all due diligence for a vaccine!" are just panic and noise.

The media wants you to believe that, like Spanish Flu, you might die any moment and that "the virus" is everywhere" and that some people are walking time bombs ("super-spreaders" but when you calmly look at the numbers and calmly look at the enormous progress in medical science there is hardly much need for panic.

The irony is that a very simple, cheap and successful medical treatments as Hydroxichloroquine (In combination with Zinc + Vitamin C+ Vitamin D! Is being attacked for political reasons (I. E. Trump supported it), which makes me suspicious that other political elements want to blow up this "crisis" much bigger than it actually is.

Back on topic, as I've stated in a different topic, I think that the 2020 FKK 'season' is over and that Germany has missed the time window to have reopened FKK clubs under safe conditions during this beautifully warm summer. Every day, the daylight period get shorter, every day we get closer to the wet and cold autumn and the start of the flu season, and therefore every day we get closer to more "we have x-amount of CV19 cases," more lockdowns, more media panic, and more "we need a vaccine!" madness!

I m just amazed, even I take my own risks but I give true ID because I want to be informed if I m at risk, but I can t put my brain in my ass about around 40 thousands deaths in my country where we don t play lies, more than 150 thousands in US, Sweden without confined but with 560 deaths per million people when France have 450 for this rate, which is already much too much. More than 500 thousands deaths all over the world and not finished with virus still spreading, even in Western Europe when we have close to 40 degrees, when Barcelona is confined again, so, for my brain, Germany is right to try to protect their citizens when brothels are the riskiest places where only 1 girl can infect many guys who will infect relatives back at home, when virus still in Germany.

[HammerTime96]

Sure we survived, just til an average of 40. Damn you science and your preventative methods causing our life expectancy to nearly double in 150 years. Damn you medicine and your life saving vaccines! LOL.

Do you realize that in 1918, we didn't have things like ventilators, defibrillators, high flow oxygen, respiratory therapists, doctors who are specialists, anesthesia for surgery, 5th generation antibiotics, cardiac monitoring, vasoactive drugs, antiviral medication, etc. What a silly comparison.

Thank you, because this exactly underscores my opinion that COVID-19 isn't that big of a deal, and that all these Millennial Snowflake cries for "masks!" and "lockdowns!" and "social distancing!" and "tracking apps!" and "we need to bypass all due diligence for a vaccine!" are just panic and noise.

The media wants you to believe that, like Spanish Flu, you might die any moment and that "the virus" is everywhere" and that some people are walking time bombs ("super-spreaders" but when you calmly look at the numbers and calmly look at the enormous progress in medical science there is hardly much need for panic.

The irony is that a very simple, cheap and successful medical treatments as Hydroxichloroquine (In combination with Zinc + Vitamin C+ Vitamin D! Is being attacked for political reasons (I. E. Trump supported it), which makes me suspicious that other political elements want to blow up this "crisis" much bigger than it actually is.

Back on topic, as I've stated in a different topic, I think that the 2020 FKK 'season' is over and that Germany has missed the time window to have reopened FKK clubs under safe conditions during this beautifully warm summer. Every day, the daylight period get shorter, every day we get closer to the wet and cold autumn and the start of the flu season, and therefore every day we get closer to more "we have x-amount of CV19 cases," more lockdowns, more media panic, and more "we need a vaccine!" madness!

[Rocky V]

OK, I admit I jumped to a few assumptions regarding how a vaccine against a virus works. But a specialist I trust and have talked to claimed that there are side effects in every case where the vaccine virus actually enters inside and manages to instruct the immune system (as you are working it).

And to me this is the only logical conclusion to make also. Just look at crispr cas-9 research, and how the cas-9 instructions in a large amount of cases rewrites more than it should. And as far as I know, virus vaccines are even less failproof than cas-9. Far less.

Nothing is failproof in medicine and some serious side effects may always happen, but the chances of these occurring are extremely low. Without a risk / benefit assessment, nothing would be done. If Columbus has considered everything that could've gone wrong in sailing across the ocean, he would have never left.

CRISPR is a brand new technology and it is expected not to be perfect. It has the potential to cure many cancers and genetic diseases like hemophilia and other rare diseases, but it is far from being perfect. All the first versions of anything are far from perfect, just compare iPhone1 with iPhone10.