Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus!

[Turgid]

..... So the same level as a serious annual flu.....

In 2017 to 2018 over a period of 12 months between 291,000 and 646,000 people worldwide died from seasonal influenza. Covid 19 has over a period of 18 months killed over 4,000,000 people. Perhaps that's the reason governments are going berserk at the moment.

[HammerTime96]

Don't let politicians and Big Pharma scare you into believing that vaccination is the only solution.

https://www.jpost.com/health-science...-5-days-675961

COVID: 90% of patients treated with new Israeli drug discharged in 5 days

"Covid1984" the disease that develops from the SARS-CoV-2 virus (if it even exists in the first place, because this alleged "virus" hasn't even been isolated in a laboratory) is perfectly treatable, but the politicians and Big Pharma rather let hundreds of thousands of intubated patients die on ICU wards so they can push their vaccines and vaccine passports.

They don't care about "science" or "people's health. " If that was true, why have you been able to buy cigarettes for the last 20-30 years since we know that smoking poses a serious health risk They only care about pushing their sick totalitarian 'population control' ideology, that's why "they" get so nervous when other scientists disagree or discover an effective and cheap way to treat patients.

So let's wait for the next global Facebook / YouTube / Reuters / Twitter / MSM misinformation campaign just like they did with HCQ and Ivermectin.

[Rocky V]

"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few." - who decides it? We don't have referendums on every single need, and often needs are not standalone but other conflicting needs exist. In principle what Spock said makes sense but it is never cut and dried.

We don't have Greek elders at the town squares deciding things in a voice vote. Even in democracies, what is the need and who gets to articulate what is the need of the many is never very obvious. These days, things are even more screwed up with social media and polls and 55% voter participation and unruly fights about legitimacy of vote and other things. In China, CCP with a few million or a few dozen million members decides for the whole country what the needs of the whole country are, and even more so, emperor Xi decides what is good and what is not. Last year, coaching centers were good, 3 years ago games were good, now suddenly they are not good. For 40 years, one child is good, now 3 children it is.

In a pandemic our 'Greek elders' are the WHO, CDC, EMA and similar independent regulatory medical bodies. It is so frustrating when people say 'Do your own research and you will see' as if a 30 min google search would replace years of study and research of people working at the WHO, CDC and EMA. The vaccines have been shown to significantly lower hospitalization, mortality and transmission rates and that's what counts to come out of this pandemic. Following the scientific advice of scientists and medical doctors in a pandemic has nothing to do with democracy. Of course, governments need to strike a balance between the scientific advice and the economy but countries that ignored the scientific advice at the start of the pandemic (Brazil, USA, UK and India) have experienced the highest death toll. South Korea never had a proper lockdown because people complied with the rules and Japan, one of the most populated advanced economies, has had a death toll 10-times lower than UK. I know you are a highly educated individual and it shows from the way you write, but as you trust the experts in other fields please trust those people who have spent years researching and studying infectious diseases. Most of the time infectious disease researchers are very passionate people and they dedicate their lives to fight against new dangerous viruses or bacteria. Dr. Tse Yuen-man (HK Hospital) and Dr Carlo Urbani (WHO), who discovered the first SARS virus were perfectly aware of the dangerous nature of the virus and they both died from contracting the disease while researching how the virus worked and replicated. In what other fields people are ready to sacrifice their lives for advancing scientific knowledge?

[Arnold15]

I guess I place the "controlling and monitoring" people on the less extreme spectrum of conspiracy theories. I have no problems with the observing by the way.

The flu's of the last generation were not anything like SARS-CoV-2. If criticizing the journalist, one should also blame them for placing COVID strictly as a respiratory disease allowing for people to make such correlations to simple colds and influenza.

COVID is an intravascular inflammatory disease that is transmitted by respiratory routes. Severe symptoms may be first observed in respiratory function but the difference is that it wrecks havoc in vascular endothelium and all downstream effects. Add the fact that it much more contagious with a more insidious latent period allowing for more propagation, and these are the reasons why COVID is a much bigger medical problem than bird flu, swine flu, etc.

Yes, Covid is much more contagious than the flu. And history has shown that there is a negative correlation between infectivity and mortality. A virus that kills its host does not have time infect others. Thus, Covid has LOW mortality.

Leading researchers in the world (John Ioannidis and Jay Bhattacharya, Stanford) have calculated that the mortality rate (dead / infected) is about 0. 2 - 0. 3 percent. So the same level as a serious annual flu.

And for this, politicians in England, France, Italy and Spain have wanted to destroy entire societies and destroy the future of our young generations - without any success.
Mortality by covid has nothing to do with the restrictions, but is rather linked to the state of health and age among the population.

Despite the high level of contagion, stupid politicians (Australia, China) have believed that the virus can be eradicated or eliminated. Now we know it did not work.

[Pistons]

Yes, but that's why they will come up with CBDCs, Central Bank Digital Currencies. Then "they" will just take without asking any questions.

By the way, an interesting court case took place in Canada, where a guy appealed a see $ 1200 fine: https://rumble.com/vksea4-canada-imp...existence.html.

At 5:00 in the video: the guy requested evidence of that the SARS-Cov-2 virus has actually been isolated in a lab, and the Alberta Province lawyer replied with "the CMOH has no material evidence. " (CMOH = Chief Medical Officer of Health).

Translation: the authorities can't even prove in a laboratory that the SARS-CoV-2 virus exists! LOL!

Well the original sample the Chinese got from that bat cave back in 2015 got isolated, so I guess the Canadians just aren't up to date. Though the tests are pure random garbage. They won't get anything from those. The point of the PCR tests is just to give people some of that aerogel used for the chipping.

Also, they had to release the disease also, as explained here:

https://youtu.be/V5ATxwXSvKo

And we all know the people behind this is laughing their asses off considering they showed us their cards long time ago when they got in contact with the creators of the simpsons. Then again, The Simpsons is after all also proof that we are just living in a simulation.

[Pistons]

Hi, this is reality calling. UK population is 69 million but that includes under 18's not only those eligible for vaccination.

Now you are just selecting the data you prefer. To skew the numbers.

[NiteRiderCal]

I forgot, those younger person would not be in the hospital if they know about ivermectin. Side note, contact tracing reveal that I unknowingly spend 4 hours with a covid positive person. I'm negative. How come covid just don't like me?

[NiteRiderCal]

Hell, your own post centered around the premise of "risk / benefit for only the old. "

Hence the cited accompanying hospitalization and emergency room visit data you conveniently cropped. In the young, 10 x as many hospital visits while only making up only 30% of the pool. Hashtag Risk / Benefit.

I see your playbook: "When the argument sucks, pivot and change the subject."

First I have not read the link, I have a real job. However, looking at post from you and other.

In the 18-50 UK population:

Deaths.

Unvaxxed: 48.

Vaxxed: 13.

I'm not sure what the time frame is, or what percent of the population is under 50. I don't even know what co-morbidity they have. That number seem very small, it is just a flu.

From your post and other, there was a total of 655 death. So most of the death is over 50. A population that is 90 to 100% vaxxed and that should reduce death rate. But still, most of the death is in old people.

Old people don't have to worry about long term risk, how long are they going to live? As I said in past post, the vax do help reduce hospitalization and death in this group.

For younger people, you already know my concern. But I will list it out again.

As you have admitted, the vaccine do a poor job as reducing transmission. You finally stop comparing covid vax (laughably suck vax) with transmission reduction of polio / measles vaccine (a real vaccine). This lead to increase mutation, evolutionary pressure will lead to immune escape. Now, the UK SAGE admitted they are concern about high vaccination rate will lead to immune escape.

The vax fuck up innate antibody against future variant in young people. If this vax can reduce the R0 like polio / measles vaccine, than who care about innate antibody. But it suck.

A vaccine race war may lead to antigenic imprinting. It may take a few / several years but imprinting will render all future vaccine and adaptive immunity worthless.

Lastly, the risk of covid in young healthy people is low, it is a common cold. Sure, the vaxx will help, but there is a unknown long term risk. Why put this group in harm way, when they don't have much in term of benefit.

[PaulInZurich]

light is right for sport cars since Colin Chapman and Lotus..

You are no Lotus. More like a Citroen 2 CV, the one for 1949 with 9 hp, about to fall apart.

[PaulInZurich]

I should have written I'm lighter than him...

Back to where we started. You are for sure lighter, but so are children too. Since you have very little power, you are slower.

Does your argument that since you are lighter you must climb faster, apply to WVA as well? He is much heavier than you.

[Mursenary]

48 out of the population of how may? Let just ban car, plan, food, knives, hookers. Especially hookers. . let just ban everything.

And how many people that die are over 50? Yeah close to 10 time. Nice try.

Hell, your own post centered around the premise of "risk / benefit for only the old. "

Hence the cited accompanying hospitalization and emergency room visit data you conveniently cropped. In the young, 10 x as many hospital visits while only making up only 30% of the pool. Hashtag Risk / Benefit.

I see your playbook: "When the argument sucks, pivot and change the subject."

[Mursenary]

48 out of the population of how may? Let just ban car, plan, food, knives, hookers. Especially hookers. . let just ban everything.

And how many people that die are over 50? Yeah close to 10 time. Nice try.

That wasn't the point of the original post was it? Point was about vaccine effectiveness and the original poster's claim that more vaxxed people are dying than unvaxxed. How many unvaxxed people over 50 died? Well nearly twice as many but from a pool twenty times greater. So proportionately 10 times more unvaxxed died than unvaxxed.

I assume that during your cutting edge research years you didn't do your own statistical analysis. Or perhaps you are actually capable but just being deceitful, which is worse in my opinion.

So which is it, are you deceitful or inept?

If you were a researcher, you have all the traits of someone who fakes their data.

[Mursenary]

Hey guys,

Can anyone tell me if my covid vaccine passport from another European which is uploaded to my phone will suffice as proof of vaccine for entry into German FKK club??

Thanks.

They don't scan and rarely cross verify with identification so decent chance of getting by but still a chance of getting caught. At Sharks and Oase, worst case is that you'll pay the for 5 euro test. Other clubs, worst case is to have to go get one which will likely not result until after several hours unless the testing site hooks you up with instant results. Maybe if you make up a story that you have to catch a flight. But if going after business hours, you're screwed and your only option is to go to an after hours spot such as the airport which will overcharge. Better to just go get the test on your way to the club.

[Mursenary]

Hey guys,

Can anyone tell me if my covid vaccine passport from another European which is uploaded to my phone will suffice as proof of vaccine for entry into German FKK club??

Thanks.

They don't scan and rarely cross verify with identification so decent chance of getting by but still a chance of getting caught. At Sharks and Oase, worst case is that you'll pay the for 5 euro test. Other clubs, worst case is to have to go get one which will likely not result until after several hours unless the testing site hooks you up with instant results. Maybe if you make up a story that you have to catch a flight. But if going after business hours, you're screwed and your only option is to go to an after hours spot such as the airport which will overcharge. Better to just go get the test on your way to the airport.

[Wanking]

Hey guys,

Can anyone tell me if my covid vaccine passport from another European which is uploaded to my phone will suffice as proof of vaccine for entry into German FKK club??

Thanks.