Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus!

[McAdonis]

I don't think governments have all the numbers. Not by far. For example, I have read that in addition to the 80 K direct covid-deaths in Germany, there is an additional 40 K of deaths, because of delayed cancer treatments, and also delayed cancer diagnosis.

Just for cancer!! (here some indication of this https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/10/11/e043828).

I would be interested to see the figures for other countries, ranging from those that had fewer cases (Vietnam, Taiwan, Australia, NZ, Finland, Norway) to those that had their healthcare systems stretched (Italy, UK, USA). Due to global supply chains being disrupted, there is probably higher excess mortality in poorer countries.

[Mursenary]

I don't think governments have all the numbers. Not by far. For example, I have read that in addition to the 80 K direct covid-deaths in Germany, there is an additional 40 K of deaths, because of delayed cancer treatments, and also delayed cancer diagnosis.

Just for cancer!! (here some indication of this https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/10/11/e043828).

About 200 K babies didn't see even the light of day, because covid drove people (in Germany. And I am sure it is not alone) not to get any babies.

https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-pa...oom/a-56851590

I agree with you that governments don't have all relevant data and that covid restrictions likely has unintended effects on excess deaths of non-covid causes. At the very least, governments and health organizations are not making fully effective use of the data that is available.

I will however contest the validity of the excess cancer death claim. The cited paper merely suggests a model and one created for England rather than Germany. And that model estimates a 1 year excess death from 7 K up to 17 K. Furthermore they are merely making a prediction and an estimation and not quoting actual realized deaths.

While I give credence to various non-covid causes of deaths rising, I found no such data that suggests that 40 K excess cancer deaths have already occurred in Germany. In fact, the data from Germany suggests that non covid related deaths in Germany declined. From March 2020 to Feb 2021, Germany saw 65.1 K covid deaths; however, total excess deaths was only 63.7 K. Without direct covid deaths, excess deaths was -1. 4 K in Germany. With this info, it's hard to rationalize a scenario in which an extra 40 K people in Germany died due to inadequate treatment cancer.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-de...deaths-tracker

Germany is not alone with Covid deaths outpacing excess death. UK, Sweden, France, Luxembourg, Denmark, Belgium, Japan, South Korea, Norway, Australia, and many others show the same trend. All point to the observation that deaths from other causes in those nations have actually decreased.

Now, looking at other nations, the contrary can be deducted to be more prevalent. But one would have to entertain the fact that nations like Russia saw 425 K excess deaths but only 75 K covid deaths. Or that Mexico only saw 100 K covid deaths but 300 K excess deaths. But how much do you trust data from Russia or developing countries?

[Kuni042]

I don't think governments have all the numbers. Not by far. For example, I have read that in addition to the 80 K direct covid-deaths in Germany, there is an additional 40 K of deaths, because of delayed cancer treatments, and also delayed cancer diagnosis.

Just for cancer!! (here some indication of this https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/10/11/e043828).

About 200 K babies didn't see even the light of day, because covid drove people (in Germany. And I am sure it is not alone) not to get any babies.

https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-pa...oom/a-56851590

Just vaccine numbers or covid numbers too? Who's organizing all of the world governments to only publish suppressed numbers? So many questions.

[ShooBree]

So, no sources?

I have another interesting number for you:

100 % of the weirdos living in a fantasy world serial posting on ISG:

A. are bored at work or unemployed.

B. Suffer from some severe psychological troubles (paranoia, delusions of grandeur, mythomania).

See. Have a strong tendency to engage in totally fucked up theories just to comfort themselves in thinking they are some kind of free thinking mavericks.

D. Have strictly no clue of what they're talking about.

In the worst cases, you can combine the 4 factors.

You're most certainly one of those weirdos. I would say that you're unemployed and suffer from psychological problems.

[ShooBree]

Barely anyone's dying and much of the old people have been vaccinated, it's time for the EU open up the businesses and the internal borders, people can't be oppressed much longer.

[Mursenary]

They have bots to do these things.

Ah, bots! So the majority of the data from the majority of independent research endeavors independently conducted in the majority of nations have been compromised while going unnoticed by the majority of the independent research teams that conducted them?

Damn bots infiltrating the world's research databases!

[Mursenary]

So, no sources?

I have another interesting number for you:

100 % of the weirdos living in a fantasy world serial posting on ISG:

A. are bored at work or unemployed.

B. Suffer from some severe psychological troubles (paranoia, delusions of grandeur, mythomania).

See. Have a strong tendency to engage in totally fucked up theories just to comfort themselves in thinking they are some kind of free thinking mavericks.

D. Have strictly no clue of what they're talking about.

In the worst cases, you can combine the 4 factors.

I'll add 3 theories and you pick to which 3 they apply.

1. Just a dork that annoys well-adjusted people in social situations. The animosity towards the institutions that rejects him prompts him to in turn reject anything within social norms, directing him to proclaim insightful knowledge to which he is selectively privy. If contributing factors go unaddressed, will not be able to rule out progression into the next case:

2. High likelihood of a personality disorder with deep rooted defense mechanisms such as selective memory and delusions of grandeur. Viewpoints, self image, and stated behaviors show signs of long term psychosis. The repetitive declarations of amazing feats suggest weaknesses in the defense mechanisms by demonstrating a need for constant self-reassurance.

3. All views can be traced to political bias, consistently arguing positions routinely aligned with the social views of a particular political platform.

Bonus commonality: above problems stem from a lack of love and reassurance from peers.

[JohnReter335]

I am not sure how funny it is that you and other wannabe medical personell are being systemically lied through and brainwashed.

Yes you're right, most people have brainwashed now a days.

[JohnReter335]

Just vaccine numbers or covid numbers too? Who's organizing all of the world governments to only publish suppressed numbers? So many questions.

They have bots to do these things.

[Sirioja]

I thought You would run for Chinese vaccine, when we all know about Chinese reliability. When I read about more than 3000 deaths daily in Brazil under crazy Bolzonaro, when US got read of crazy Trump and new Biden is making quite good job to try to save US citizens lives. Of course after vaccine, he will have to fight versus war weapons, when no more Pawnies, all killed long ago. When EU should have soon 55 factories producing 300 millions doses, when I see German decision, Italy, France, under UK mutant, wish all those who need and want to get vaccined, for less deaths and when some are sick for long time or handicaped after covid. No Qanon thinking vaccine could be used to track, for me. EU is different than China or Russia, fortunately, even I love Russia, but not ex KGB Putin, sometimes arguing about him with my Russian girls, real ones, not those in FKK who are not able to speak Russian.

Belgium again under strict lockdown, closing schools, under UK mutant. In some parts of France, 90% of cases are UK mutant. Really killing our continent.

[Mursenary]

I agree. And the worst numbers are not even publicized.

Just vaccine numbers or covid numbers too? Who's organizing all of the world governments to only publish suppressed numbers? So many questions.

[BigBuddy69]

So, no sources?

I have another interesting number for you:

100 % of the weirdos living in a fantasy world serial posting on ISG:

A. are bored at work or unemployed.

B. Suffer from some severe psychological troubles (paranoia, delusions of grandeur, mythomania).

See. Have a strong tendency to engage in totally fucked up theories just to comfort themselves in thinking they are some kind of free thinking mavericks.

D. Have strictly no clue of what they're talking about.

In the worst cases, you can combine the 4 factors.

[Kuni042]

I agree. And the worst numbers are not even publicized.

As I said already, most countries are giving out fake numbers. Side effects are not counted, and a lot is being covered up. So always take the worst numbers as facts.

[Pistons]

Funny

I am not sure how funny it is that you and other wannabe medical personell are being systemically lied through and brainwashed.

[Pistons]

Notice how they harp on long term effects of the vaccine which is basically just part of the virus but pay no attention to the long term effects of the active virus and the disease process itself? Selective memory I guess.

Anyway, none of the data shows a 1.6% occurrence of "serious" side effects or anything of the sort due to any of the vaccines. Pfizer data shows that "serious" adverse side effects (which they actually define what is meant by "serious") showed an incidence of 0. 6% with the background incidence of non-vaccinated group showing 0. 5%. Not exactly groundbreaking.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-1...ogenicity.html

For AZ, the most serious possible side effect discovered thus far (CSVT) showed an incidence of 30 cases in over 20 million+ shots given. That's an incidence rate of 1. 5 per million, still lower than the 4 per million observed in background CSVT incidence.

Also, let's not ignore the most serious "side effect". Case fatality rate for SarsCov2 remains over 2% in Europe and Worldwide. Death from virus is still more likely than this random 1.6% incidence of "serious" side effects he grabbed from this air.

Famous last words.