Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus!

[Turgid]

The reason we go to FKK or brothels is not because we can't find a girlfriend but because in most cases they don't do the dirty things we like. If you can have it both ways even better, you can get more fucks in a cheaper way, fuck your girlfriend whenever you want like in the morning when you wake up and during the night you can go to FKK to get your ass licked or fuck her ass.

Every girlfriend I have had would have liked me to do dirty things to her. I, however, don't like doing to girlfriends what I do to hot hookers because after the act I don't see the hookers again but I spend lots of non-sex time with the girlfriend and will be somewhat spooked by the thought that she is thinking of all the nasty things that I would have done to her. Nevertheless, I demand BBBJ from all girlfriends that I've had.

[Sirioja]

The reason we go to FKK or brothels is not because we can't find a girlfriend but because in most cases they don't do the dirty things we like. If you can have it both ways even better, you can get more fucks in a cheaper way, fuck your girlfriend whenever you want like in the morning when you wake up and during the night you can go to FKK to get your ass licked or fuck her ass.

When a woman loves you, when you are able to give her pleasure, if you are not able, then you are boring sex for her, then she will do everything for you and even for sex. I refused many times what they wanted to do for me, when they thought I would like, but I preferred to have a princess image, than being sucked, swallowed or anal. With my last girlfriend, only same position for 5 years, but the best to see her eyes, smile and kissing. Most of guys are not able, but best pleasure is in mind, not little death, better to try to stay as long as girl can have stamina, just on the edge. We can experience about same with some girls and what I prefer is how they improve with me, like Anna Wellcum on repeating, after really average discovery, on this week end. My best FKK girl worked since 3 weeks at LR which was told to be high level for sex club, but she was so low level for sex on our discovery, but she improved so much with me, always choosing me first, everybody and staff knew at LR, staff even telling me about her 1 year after I stopped with her, when I came for another weekly regular, but she always improved for me and the only one I never felt I touched the limit, she was always able to adapt and do more, even in brothels. 80 hours together in 6 months she worked before I stopped and she was so angry, pleasure make repeating, when I didn't think to repeat at the end of discovery and same with Anna on Thursday evening, but real enjoyment to experience her improvement when we went to room at 00.30 am, she was very busy whole Saturday and I didn't think to repeat, but very welcoming, she was tired but no rush in room, take all your time, Wellcum close at 1 am, we finished at 1.30 am and club was closed with all lights on. We get from what we are, in real life and in brothels.

[Alessandro527]

J. Of course, I can only advice everyone to find a real girlfriend and to take care of her, much more interesting than brothels and being a follower. Better to live own way.

The reason we go to FKK or brothels is not because we can't find a girlfriend but because in most cases they don't do the dirty things we like. If you can have it both ways even better, you can get more fucks in a cheaper way, fuck your girlfriend whenever you want like in the morning when you wake up and during the night you can go to FKK to get your ass licked or fuck her ass.

[Mursenary]

It is not so much the size. But statistically speaking, shorter girls tend to be more feminine. While taller girls seems to have more testosterone in them and are more masculine. And I'm not gay.

It's like I have to constantly correct every one of this guy's false scientific claims, which seem to be copious, Trump level even. Testosterone does not increase height, Growth Hormone and other growth factors are the major players in longitudinal bone growth. In fact, high levels of testosterone actually stunts lengthening of bones because testosterone down regulated sex hormone stimulating gonadotropins and also aromatizes to estrogen which prematurely seals the epiphyseal growth plates, stopping longitudinal growth. That is one reason why women are shorter, higher estrogen stunts bone lengthening earlier. Assuming a normally functioning sex hormone feedback axis, a woman with high testosterone would thus also have higher estrogen, thus stunting their height.

To curb becoming so tall, the Dutch have even previously used testosterone injection therapy to STUNT height!

For a more thorough discussion of hormones and height interplay, see link below:

https://academic.oup.com/edrv/article/19/5/540/2530797

[McAdonis]

When I was in my 20's and had a girlfriend I was able some days to have sex 8 times a day and ejaculate each time. Now I am in my 60's I average 1 per day with a prostitute. Is it that because I have sex with a prostitute now I am a sex addict but was not when I was in my 20's? Perhaps there are indeed sex addicts but I think it is erroneous to equate mongering with sex addiction.

Turgid, it seems like you are focusing on the physical act of sex and numeric quantities. Pessimist posted an article, the very first sentence which states that sexual addiction is "not even all about sex". As Pessimist summarized, sexual addiction is about "risky behaviors". The article seems to suggest that spending half your income on prostitutes is a risky behavior. I suppose the implication is that one would risk their financial well being spending at those levels. The article characterizes watching porn at the office a risky behavior. That is, the sexual addict knows realizes that they would be fired on the spot if caught, but continues to engage in this behavior anyway. You did mention that you continue to monger amid the pandemic. If mongering is illegal in your country or you are 60+ and living in an CV-19 epicenter, those might be considered risky behaviors.

Perhaps! I mean, on this site, all of us use a fair amount of prostitution so I guess that makes all of us sex addicts in their view. I don't use extramarital affairs in the common use of that phrase, and I don't have a problem of excessive porn watching, or masturbating to porn, so my one sex addiction is using paid sex workers.

But then again, isn't addiction a tough thing to kick, without therapy and perhaps even medicines? I have abstained from paid sex since Covid outbreak, and even gave up sugar babes. Those are in easy reach and a few Sugarbabes kept asking to meet, as they needed the money. So, I have shown that if needed I can kick this habit for some amount of time. In fact, at this point I have no idea when is my next paid sex with either an escort, sugar babe, or FKK girl, and while I do miss them, it is not as if I am dying a slow death due to the absence of paid sex and in general, my life has been happy and healthy.

You do mention being married. If your net worth is considerably higher than your wife's and you have no prenuptial than perhaps continued mongering might be considered a risky behavior. That said, whether it is evading law enforcement or mongering behind your wife's back, there are ways to mitigate the risks down to almost zero.

Webmd includes excessive porn consumption, excessive use of tutes, of cheating etc as examples of behavior indicative of sex addiction. Is it judgmental? Is it even real science or just a bunch of feminists writing such stuff (I said feminists because on this site, feminist is the worst insult one can throw at another person).

"Feminist" would be the worst insult by a significant margin. A distant second on that list might be "sheep" or "brainwashed by society" or some variation thereof. Slight tangent, but I did not realize how rampant conspiracy theorists are in France, only 18 percent of French dismiss conspiracy theorists as "crackpots". USA is at 32 percent. Germany at 53 percent. https://www.forbes.com/sites/rainerz...racy-theories/#5 e95 e1 c45 e94.

[McAdonis]

As for the rest of the tribe taking care of the babies. I guess there are not many guys here with families and kids. The inclination to care for your own blood is natural. I would not care for step children with the same care and affection as I would for my own. It does not make me a bad person. It is just programmed into your genes.

Yes, I agree that most men would not be as affectionate towards someone else's children as they would be towards their own. However, Mursenary originally used the world "survival", so I took that literally and formulated my response accordingly. Provided she is fed and clothed, the red-headed stepdaughter will probably survive into adulthood, (she just might grow up to become a WG). I was told once that in ancient times, in Polynesia, LBGT stayed behind to care for the tribe's children. Essentially caring for the "next generation" while warriors were away fighting became their "patriotic" duty.

My original point to Mursenary, is that even if the birth father and birth mother were monogamous, what would be the chances that both parents would be alive to see the child's tenth birthday? What are the chances that the mother would survive childbirth or be able to give birth to a second baby? What would be the chances that the child would make it to their tenth birthday? So if I were a tribal chief, I might tell my strongest warrior to drop seed in ten different women, and hope that one of those ten sperm deposits will yield a healthy warrior in 16 years time. Because for all I know, my strongest warrior could be killed in his very next battle. If a child becomes an orphan at age two, the tribe might abandon the orphan regardless of how committed the birth father or birth mother were. If a child were orphaned at age 6-7, then that child only needs to be the tribe's burden for 1-2 years before they are able to contribute back to the tribe. So in that sense, it makes sense for the tribe to pitch in and raise him / her together.

Romania in the 1970's and 1980's serves as an example where the ruling class incentivized families to have babies, and pushed for the babies to be raised by the "tribe" aka state run orphanage. Obviously, many of these children were neglected, but they survived.

"Romanias large number of orphans were the result of a devastating combination of factors. The first was state-directed social engineering aimed at generating human capital. When Ceausescu took power in 1965, Romania had a declining birth rate and one of the highest rates of abortions and divorce in eastern Europe. In the name of procreation, the new leader instituted a number of radical policies: banning abortion, restricting divorce, instituting a childlessness tax and providing financial incentives for working mothers. He lowered the marriage age to 15 and awarded mothers medals based on the number of children they had. Perhaps the most extreme measure was the menstrual police: an army of gynaecologists who would enter schools and workplaces, investigating non-pregnant women and miscarriages.

The increased birth rate was coupled with the sentiment that the state could do a better job than the parent when it came to raising children. The government employed health professionals tasked with encouraging parents to relinquish their children. Serving the communist rationale of separating productive and non-productive members of society, the move derailed the family as a cohesive unit. The belief in the primacy of state-run institutions was paired with a dire economic climate which left many parents with little means to look after their children."

https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/allinthemind/inside-the-iron-curtain%E2%80%99s-orphanages/5543388.

[Mursenary]

1. Some humans have always been exploratory. Not all. Not the introvert conservative industrious types. But the liberal inventive extrovert types always have been.

2. We are hardwired to live together in monogamy for a certain amount of time: pregnancy and a time after that. But after about 18 months, the oxytocin receptors in our brains that keep us together with our partners start to wane off and loose their efficiency. This is biology, and it optimized for the perfect amount of gen spreading. Thus having the greatest effect on long term evolution.

3. Medicine. Well, by far most of all medicine is just natural remedy extracts. Take out of nature, and given a new name. I don't see anything unnatural about herbs, plants and fungi.

1. Fair. But still, leaving the comforts of home to fight the dangers of nature worked out pretty well. As such, is contradictory to your original point.

2. Wrong when analyzing with any depth. There are not receptors that are dulled out when with a specific partner. We don't have receptors for specific people. Perhaps if you had said less oxytocin is released over time due to less excitatory stimulation from the same partner, sure. But again, despite that, we fight the urge of natural biology and stay monogamous to maintain a family unit and thus stability. That again is fighting biology and nature which has worked out pretty good for stability of child rearing and thus survival.

3. Also wrong on so many levels. Most medicines are synthesized via the processes of organic chemistry. Some exceptions like antibiotics are cultured but that process also involves synthetic mediums with synthetic nutrients. Plus medicine also covers things like invasive surgery, mechanical ventilation, cardiovascular bypass, and dialysis and filtration. All unnatural attempts to fight nature and biology.

I see no credence to your point that fighting biology and nature, in this case polygamy, which is perhaps natural, to be a "not a smart" thing to do. In fact, almost always, fighting nature has led to progress and stability with perhaps some temporary instability such as wars. That's a pretty basic concept of human behavioral evolution.

[Pessimist]

I get your point, that somebody has to be around to care for the human child until they are able to sustain themselves. But that could be anybody within the tribe, it does not necessitate that his birth mother and birth father need to stay together and monogamous, does it? In fact, our ancestors lived in more violent times, so a probable outcome is that a child could lose his father in battle and his mother could be raped and killed by an invading tribe. I wouldn't be surprised if some cultures promoted polygamy just to ensure the survival of the tribe.

If the sex ratio remains 50/50, polygamy just implies that while some guys have more wives and more women to fuck, some others have none.

I take it that in violent times the number of men may decline, and gender ratio skews in favor or women in which case, there would be more demand for the sperm. But on an ongoing basis, I have seen no evidence that men / women ratio was permanently and massively deviated from roughly 50/50.

In today's western societies, women outlive men and ratio may not be 50/50 exactly, but in several 3rd world countries, the ratio is skewed in favor of men because men eat better while the women are malnourished. Also, in some countries, girls are aborted when they find the sex of the fetus.

As for the rest of the tribe taking care of the babies. I guess there are not many guys here with families and kids. The inclination to care for your own blood is natural. I would not care for step children with the same care and affection as I would for my own. It does not make me a bad person. It is just programmed into your genes.

This is the same issue I have with all the postings here in which mongers dream of a society in which they can fuck around as they please and no one-to-one relationship exists. That sounds great on the paper and in your mind, but men would want to monopolize and each man wants more women to himself. Every king had a harem of thousands of women and they were guarded by eunuchs. And that is not conducive for the growth of any society.

[Sirioja]

What is this sex addiction that people talk about? I eat three times a day, do I have a food addiction? I drink water many times a day, do I have a water drinking addiction? Why is doing what nature intended for us an addiction. My brother was a gambler who lost his bank accounts, house and car because of it; nature never intended for humans to play poker with acquaintances and go to casinos, so gambling regularly is an addiction. Alcohol and drugs are manufactured by man and regular use is addictive. My experience is that only impotent men, frigid women, people who stick themselves in unhappy marriages and people who intend to mask their perversions or deviance are opposed to people having a good time sexually.

Just ask your doctor what is addiction which is a disease, suffering from not controlling what we do and falling in problems, like casino players who think they will win, but take bank credit, play their car, flat and lose all and their wife and children. Nothing about going everyday to get pleasure as long we can afford with own money and have pleasure and not suffering from. Many here use words without knowing meaning, because they can t afford, so they are frustrated, when I know some guys are in clubs every day, sometimes making 3 Swiss clubs on day, booking girls at Globe for many hours for more than 1500 CHF, or at GT Bruggen, booking girls for the day for more than 1000 €. I will never do this because I pay only time for sex, not to drink, nor smoke, nor gossip, nor listen to music, nor watch film, and I m really not a fast rabbit cheap guy when I sometimes take care of the girl for more than 1 hour before she takes care of me, or fucking. I m not jealous about others who visit more often or have more money than me, because I know what I look for and I only focus on my game, hard job to find nice elegant beauties for me. But at least I know the real meaning of addiction, not meaning from frustration built in clubs. Of course, I can only advice everyone to find a real girlfriend and to take care of her, much more interesting than brothels and being a follower. Better to live own way.

[BigBuddy69]

When mongering becomes your only hobby and you start to fantasize about things that never happened yes it's an addiction.

[Turgid]

When I was in my 20's and had a girlfriend I was able some days to have sex 8 times a day and ejaculate each time. Now I am in my 60's I average 1 per day with a prostitute. Is it that because I have sex with a prostitute now I am a sex addict but was not when I was in my 20's? Perhaps there are indeed sex addicts but I think it is erroneous to equate mongering with sex addiction.

[Pistons]

Re: Medicine. Fighting the biology of aging and dying.

Re: Exploration. Fighting natural complacency for the safety of home to explore a bigger world and discover new fruitful lands.

Re: Monogamy and family. Fighting the urge to fuck fuck fuck so you can concentrate on protecting a family unit to ensure the survival of progeny and thus your genetics, I. E. The purpose of life.

Sea horses make a hundreds of progeny in hopes that a few survive. Deer and giraffe are born ready to walk with the mother. The biology of humans is a small litter in which the youngling requires a decade of nurture to ensure survival. That is the biology of monogamy and thus the evolution of the family unit.

Fighting the biology and nature of your reptilian brain and listening to the biology that is your cerebral cortex has worked out pretty well for human kind.

1. Some humans have always been exploratory. Not all. Not the introvert conservative industrious types. But the liberal inventive extrovert types always have been.

2. We are hardwired to live together in monogamy for a certain amount of time: pregnancy and a time after that. But after about 18 months, the oxytocin receptors in our brains that keep us together with our partners start to wane off and loose their efficiency. This is biology, and it optimized for the perfect amount of gen spreading. Thus having the greatest effect on long term evolution.

3. Medicine. Well, by far most of all medicine is just natural remedy extracts. Take out of nature, and given a new name. I don't see anything unnatural about herbs, plants and fungi.

[Pessimist]

https://www.webmd.com/sexual-conditi...addiction-real

Webmd is not clear Re: whether sex addiction is even a true addiction, as a substance addiction would be, for example. But they say it is not about excessive consumption of sex, but concerns risky behaviors related to sex. For example, most of us probably agree that rape perpetrators would be considered sexual deviants, or perhaps they are just deviants and not about sex at all. Webmd includes excessive porn consumption, excessive use of tutes, of cheating etc as examples of behavior indicative of sex addiction. Is it judgmental? Is it even real science or just a bunch of feminists writing such stuff (I said feminists because on this site, feminist is the worst insult one can throw at another person).

Perhaps! I mean, on this site, all of us use a fair amount of prostitution so I guess that makes all of us sex addicts in their view. I don't use extramarital affairs in the common use of that phrase, and I don't have a problem of excessive porn watching, or masturbating to porn, so my one sex addiction is using paid sex workers.

But then again, isn't addiction a tough thing to kick, without therapy and perhaps even medicines? I have abstained from paid sex since Covid outbreak, and even gave up sugar babes. Those are in easy reach and a few Sugarbabes kept asking to meet, as they needed the money. So, I have shown that if needed I can kick this habit for some amount of time. In fact, at this point I have no idea when is my next paid sex with either an escort, sugar babe, or FKK girl, and while I do miss them, it is not as if I am dying a slow death due to the absence of paid sex and in general, my life has been happy and healthy. So, Bottomline, if someone passes judgement on me that I am sex addicted, I will not get defensive but also I don't think that is quite accurate. But everyone is entitled to their own view.

[Chongmal]

wouldn't be surprised if some cultures promoted polygamy just to ensure the survival of the tribe.

The Mormans are one example of this. As I understand it started with the custom of a man taking on the wife and children of his fallen brother and progressed from there. The wagon trains and western settlements were seen as no place for a single woman.

[Mursenary]

I get your point, that somebody has to be around to care for the human child until they are able to sustain themselves. But that could be anybody within the tribe, it does not necessitate that his birth mother and birth father need to stay together and monogamous, does it? In fact, our ancestors lived in more violent times, so a probable outcome is that a child could lose his father in battle and his mother could be raped and killed by an invading tribe. I wouldn't be surprised if some cultures promoted polygamy just to ensure the survival of the tribe.

Well when we are talking about principles of evolution, whether genetic, population, or societal, it's a matter of probability. Yes there are cases of tribal child rearing, but the family unit has emerged as the most advantageous and thus dominant practice. Against the OP's original point, monogamy has emerged in defiance of our biology to fuck everything visually appealing in sight because the family unit is more advantageous to ensure the survival and proper social development of a comparatively (compared to other organisms) helpless and pathetic human youngling.