Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus!

[Pistons]

I also believe we are all nuts. I have yet to meet one single person who I do not consider a lunatic. In my entire life. 100% of everyone I have met I can easily define as having a dousin plus negative psychological conditions if I want to frame them that way. Especially if I lie a bit too. Like the nurse loves so much. Lying is one psychological trait for example.

[Pistons]

Here you can read all about Agenda 2030, although not all regarding the means we have to get through in order to achieve these goals:

https://sdgs.un.org/2030agenda

[Pistons]

Agenda 2030: Grand scale population reduction. I have already wrote about this before. So why keep asking? Do both of you wannabe health personnel have some kind of fetish towards reading about nefarious systemic genocide agendas?

[ShooBree]

EU? What's their role here? Blaming EU is just another version of the Secret World Order conspiracy.

Lfvand doesn't need someone's permission to remove restrictions.

The same goes for the freedom loving independent English but they're still stuck with stricter restrictions and are prevented from leaving the country too. Johnson will find an excuse to not have to relax restrictions, don't worry.

What I wrote was that it's time for the EU to open up and get rid of its internal restrictions. How exactly it's supposed to be done wasn't something that I mentioned.

The EU commission could make such a suggestion to get the ball rolling, just as they did with the vaccine passports.

You should make less assumptions and know more, that way you wouldn't make yourself look so stupid.

[Sirioja]

I don't think governments have all the numbers. Not by far. For example, I have read that in addition to the 80 K direct covid-deaths in Germany, there is an additional 40 K of deaths, because of delayed cancer treatments, and also delayed cancer diagnosis.

Just for cancer!! (here some indication of this https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/10/11/e043828).

About 200 K babies didn't see even the light of day, because covid drove people (in Germany. And I am sure it is not alone) not to get any babies.

https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-pa...oom/a-56851590

Too many deaths from covid but will be more from consequences, and also less babies in France, more violence at home, and many people falling sick or losing job, having falling life, when a French here, with no risk job monthly paid by French government for all his fonctionnaire carreer, not knowing anything about business logic: how much You make, how much You cost, to decide if You worth, when some like me prefer to try to keep their business, taking risk for my life since 1 year, rather than staying safe at home in bed close to heater waiting to be paid by French government. Really bullshiting guy on all topics, same than for expensive carbon bike climbing with a fat on, I would like to see, or maybe electric.

[Ararat]

Barely anyone's dying and much of the old people have been vaccinated, it's time for the EU open up the businesses and the internal borders, people can't be oppressed much longer.

EU? What's their role here? Blaming EU is just another version of the Secret World Order conspiracy.

Lfvand doesn't need someone's permission to remove restrictions.

The same goes for the freedom loving independent English but they're still stuck with stricter restrictions and are prevented from leaving the country too. Johnson will find an excuse to not have to relax restrictions, don't worry.

[ExpatLover]

Barely anyone's dying and much of the old people have been vaccinated, it's time for the EU open up the businesses and the internal borders, people can't be oppressed much longer.

The things are not so easy, the things are worse than ever and in many countries the health care system is under tremendous pressure. The impact of the lock down are very different for the people, for example if you live in a nice house with a nice garden, outside a big city the impact for you will be very low. On the other side if you live in a small apartment in a city, meeting friends in bars or restaurants several times a week the lock down will impact you a lot.

[McAdonis]

I don't think governments have all the numbers. Not by far. For example, I have read that in addition to the 80 K direct covid-deaths in Germany, there is an additional 40 K of deaths, because of delayed cancer treatments, and also delayed cancer diagnosis.

Just for cancer!! (here some indication of this https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/10/11/e043828).

I would be interested to see the figures for other countries, ranging from those that had fewer cases (Vietnam, Taiwan, Australia, NZ, Finland, Norway) to those that had their healthcare systems stretched (Italy, UK, USA). Due to global supply chains being disrupted, there is probably higher excess mortality in poorer countries.

[Mursenary]

I don't think governments have all the numbers. Not by far. For example, I have read that in addition to the 80 K direct covid-deaths in Germany, there is an additional 40 K of deaths, because of delayed cancer treatments, and also delayed cancer diagnosis.

Just for cancer!! (here some indication of this https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/10/11/e043828).

About 200 K babies didn't see even the light of day, because covid drove people (in Germany. And I am sure it is not alone) not to get any babies.

https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-pa...oom/a-56851590

I agree with you that governments don't have all relevant data and that covid restrictions likely has unintended effects on excess deaths of non-covid causes. At the very least, governments and health organizations are not making fully effective use of the data that is available.

I will however contest the validity of the excess cancer death claim. The cited paper merely suggests a model and one created for England rather than Germany. And that model estimates a 1 year excess death from 7 K up to 17 K. Furthermore they are merely making a prediction and an estimation and not quoting actual realized deaths.

While I give credence to various non-covid causes of deaths rising, I found no such data that suggests that 40 K excess cancer deaths have already occurred in Germany. In fact, the data from Germany suggests that non covid related deaths in Germany declined. From March 2020 to Feb 2021, Germany saw 65.1 K covid deaths; however, total excess deaths was only 63.7 K. Without direct covid deaths, excess deaths was -1. 4 K in Germany. With this info, it's hard to rationalize a scenario in which an extra 40 K people in Germany died due to inadequate treatment cancer.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-de...deaths-tracker

Germany is not alone with Covid deaths outpacing excess death. UK, Sweden, France, Luxembourg, Denmark, Belgium, Japan, South Korea, Norway, Australia, and many others show the same trend. All point to the observation that deaths from other causes in those nations have actually decreased.

Now, looking at other nations, the contrary can be deducted to be more prevalent. But one would have to entertain the fact that nations like Russia saw 425 K excess deaths but only 75 K covid deaths. Or that Mexico only saw 100 K covid deaths but 300 K excess deaths. But how much do you trust data from Russia or developing countries?

[Kuni042]

I don't think governments have all the numbers. Not by far. For example, I have read that in addition to the 80 K direct covid-deaths in Germany, there is an additional 40 K of deaths, because of delayed cancer treatments, and also delayed cancer diagnosis.

Just for cancer!! (here some indication of this https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/10/11/e043828).

About 200 K babies didn't see even the light of day, because covid drove people (in Germany. And I am sure it is not alone) not to get any babies.

https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-pa...oom/a-56851590

Just vaccine numbers or covid numbers too? Who's organizing all of the world governments to only publish suppressed numbers? So many questions.

[ShooBree]

So, no sources?

I have another interesting number for you:

100 % of the weirdos living in a fantasy world serial posting on ISG:

A. are bored at work or unemployed.

B. Suffer from some severe psychological troubles (paranoia, delusions of grandeur, mythomania).

See. Have a strong tendency to engage in totally fucked up theories just to comfort themselves in thinking they are some kind of free thinking mavericks.

D. Have strictly no clue of what they're talking about.

In the worst cases, you can combine the 4 factors.

You're most certainly one of those weirdos. I would say that you're unemployed and suffer from psychological problems.

[ShooBree]

Barely anyone's dying and much of the old people have been vaccinated, it's time for the EU open up the businesses and the internal borders, people can't be oppressed much longer.

[Mursenary]

They have bots to do these things.

Ah, bots! So the majority of the data from the majority of independent research endeavors independently conducted in the majority of nations have been compromised while going unnoticed by the majority of the independent research teams that conducted them?

Damn bots infiltrating the world's research databases!

[Mursenary]

So, no sources?

I have another interesting number for you:

100 % of the weirdos living in a fantasy world serial posting on ISG:

A. are bored at work or unemployed.

B. Suffer from some severe psychological troubles (paranoia, delusions of grandeur, mythomania).

See. Have a strong tendency to engage in totally fucked up theories just to comfort themselves in thinking they are some kind of free thinking mavericks.

D. Have strictly no clue of what they're talking about.

In the worst cases, you can combine the 4 factors.

I'll add 3 theories and you pick to which 3 they apply.

1. Just a dork that annoys well-adjusted people in social situations. The animosity towards the institutions that rejects him prompts him to in turn reject anything within social norms, directing him to proclaim insightful knowledge to which he is selectively privy. If contributing factors go unaddressed, will not be able to rule out progression into the next case:

2. High likelihood of a personality disorder with deep rooted defense mechanisms such as selective memory and delusions of grandeur. Viewpoints, self image, and stated behaviors show signs of long term psychosis. The repetitive declarations of amazing feats suggest weaknesses in the defense mechanisms by demonstrating a need for constant self-reassurance.

3. All views can be traced to political bias, consistently arguing positions routinely aligned with the social views of a particular political platform.

Bonus commonality: above problems stem from a lack of love and reassurance from peers.

[JohnReter335]

I am not sure how funny it is that you and other wannabe medical personell are being systemically lied through and brainwashed.

Yes you're right, most people have brainwashed now a days.