Thread: Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus!
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01-13-21 23:35 #2916
Posts: 920Originally Posted by ExpatLover [View Original Post]
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01-13-21 23:25 #2915
Posts: 920Originally Posted by Turgid [View Original Post]
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01-13-21 23:19 #2914
Posts: 2344Originally Posted by Paulie97 [View Original Post]
Yes conservative politicians and voters bear some responsibility and also have a role to play in avoiding the American apocalypse but the Dems have all of the votes. And if the Dems in charge would stop the emotion pandering, then they may win over more people who are put off by a platform based on political correctness by being polite as you say.
Yes, we can play chicken and egg arguments as referenced in private inbox discussions, but blaming wasn't my priority. I meant that the rise of Trump was enabled by this emotionally charged iteration of the "Progressive" movement, one that is more void of actual policy and focuses more on what sounds good in political theater rather than actual reality-based policy. Yes racism exists and many people harbor racial stereotypes, but things like portraying mass murder of "completely innocent" black men by police officers as based soley on color of skin, as if the nature of poor black American culture and norms of communication and what is considered nonaggressive behavior has nothing to do with a lack of understanding between people from different social backgrounds. Or the fact that the president elect committed to a female vice president before vetting all candidates purely for the sake of signaling that Dems are the party of gender equality.
I'm not sure what you mean by you being white with me being Asian and not knowing how many white guys say racist things in private and why that matters. Yeah, lots of white guys are racists, lots aren't. I don't think being a white person yourself in a country as large and as diverse as the USA really gives you much more insight. Or I can also say that your perception of white male racist prevalence may be skewed to the percentages inherent to the older male generation which does not extrapolate to the younger (one would think) less racist generation.
We'll see if this gets through as it seems that the mods are quite inconsistent with what they let through. Is this too much racial talk? Or is is it okay since it favors a particular side?
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01-13-21 21:40 #2913
Posts: 22238Tokyo in island is now under covid, not better than elsewhere. Olympics are in danger, and wet hot Summer is not good time for resistance sports, even dangerous for marathon and long distance walking. China also confine again some places. Now South African and Brazilian mutants, when UK mutant make panic in Western Europe. Hard times to come. Wish vaccine will protect old and medical.
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01-13-21 21:30 #2912
Posts: 22238Originally Posted by ExpatLover [View Original Post]
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01-13-21 21:00 #2911
Posts: 22238Originally Posted by ExpatLover [View Original Post]
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01-13-21 20:18 #2910
Posts: 1680Sounds Good
Originally Posted by Mursenary [View Original Post]
And you simply miss the mark with the "chicken and egg" angle, implying the Dems or "liberals" or the "politically correct" or whatnot are responsible for Trump, and thus need to back off in order for him or his movement to go away. If you want to play chicken and egg you can go back to the roots of this country and the white male privilege written into the founding documents. From there you can reference all the attempts in various generations at seeing structural change and the corresponding resistance from those in greater positions of power, chicken and egg galore.
Putting all the responsibility on one side is the last thing we need to do actually. We need to tone it down, seek understanding, dispel myths, and seek compromise. Hard work for sure, but that's democracy. But yea, we've had this discussion before. I'm a white guy with a southern accent. You're an Asian guy. You may think you know how many "conservative" or whatever American white guys talk off the record among themselves, but I don't believe it. I know because I'm perceived as safe. I'll inform the members here that it's often ugly, stereotypical, and often fueled with epithets. That also includes white law enforcement officers I've known. So yea, the property damage and violence that has occurred at some protests associated with BLM is wrong, but the heart of their concerns is right on. And I'll add that your use of the world "politically correct" isn't going to go far in forwarding the needed discussions. It's essentially a wholesale dismissal of the concerns of the other side. Often what's deemed politically correct is just being polite.
P.S. I was playing hooky today after committing myself to giving up the internet debates given that I'm way behind on some work endeavors. I may or may not continue, plus you are a fight to the death sort of guy, so I'm confident you'd get the last word anyway. Shoobree though will go back and forth with you as long as you want. Though on this one, he probably agrees with you. LOLOL.
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01-13-21 18:25 #2909
Posts: 4759Originally Posted by Adindas [View Original Post]
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01-13-21 18:21 #2908
Posts: 4759Originally Posted by Sirioja [View Original Post]
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01-13-21 16:56 #2907
Posts: 620Originally Posted by Turgid [View Original Post]
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01-13-21 15:37 #2906
Posts: 5648Originally Posted by Adindas [View Original Post]
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01-13-21 14:32 #2905
Posts: 2344Originally Posted by Paulie97 [View Original Post]
It's all on the Democrats now. The winnable right of center crowd will not be swayed if the Democratic party continues to use emotional, racial, and moral pandering as part of their messaging campaigns. Racism and violence against black people, while a real issue, is overblown and worsened by making it politically incorrect to place any responsibility on the black community itself whatsoever. American Healthcare while flawed, has it's merits. America is the mecca of medical innovation, the center for development of standards of care, and our system allows for those who don't use many of its services to choose to not pay for more than their fair share. Basically the "Save the Civil Rights of Transgender Whales by Driving Electric Vehicles" motto of American Liberalism will ensure that we will not see the last of Trump or a clone of his. The reasonable right-of-center crowd will continue be disgusted by the Democrat shallow pandering and we may continue to devolve as a nation.
Like I said, it's all on the Dems now. The opportunity is there to win over those of us who are looking for authentic, competent, truth-based leadership where the primary political tool is truth-telling rather than pulling at emotional and moral heartstrings.
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01-13-21 14:19 #2904
Posts: 920COVID-19 makes me angry especially directed to those who have prevented me of enjoying the life I used to have. Keep in mind many of the world pandemic originated in China including this COVID-19 virus.
The people and Chinese government never learn to prevent that to happen again. They keep eating bats, dogs, rats, Lizard, tiggers, etc the main carriier of the deadly pandemic virussess.
Wish all of this would end soon and FKK, RLDs, GD Parties, partytreffs opened and business run as usual.
I just want my life back.
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01-13-21 13:42 #2903
Posts: 2968PahllusMaximus,
You are just wanting to rig the system, too. And pick winners and losers, apparently making yourself a winner. So I hardly see how you are better than the people who are, apparently, doing better than you are economically.
Yes, we have tremendous income and wealth inequality in the United States. People with training in certain areas, who have an existing store of invested wealth, and who have key connections are doing extraordinarily well. Those who want to exchange labor for cash and who do not fall into those three above-mentioned categories are not doing nearly as well. Most of the jobs that have experienced solid wage growth are equally open to men and women, so high-earning women are doing quite well compared to their status decades ago.
There is no shortage of women in the United States selling commercial sex. But they recognize the income and wealth inequalities, and the wise ones sell sex at a very high price to those guys who are doing well economically, and they educate themselves as to how to do so in a manner that almost completely eliminates the risk of arrest. Ditto for the johns.
The United States has a massive underclass of both men and women. The women in that underclass who sell sex at a low price are indeed often overweight due to the low-cost, high carb / sugar diet they eat, use illegal drugs, and attract the interest of law enforcement because the are known to use illegal drugs and do their solicitation in a relatively public and / or low-cost manner. The Johns who use them do indeed risk arrest.
You would seem to elevate the males in the category of those willing to sell labor at a price you find unacceptable, by apparently causing a higher price to be paid for that labor. You would apparently force the purchasers of that labor to pay the higher price by denying the purchasers the right to make their products in Asia and other countries where comparable labor is less expensive. You seem to want the USA To return to a 1950's-1970's factory work system where labor was primarily conducted by men due to the physical demands of the work.
In your process of picking winners, you have elevated "blue-collar" men in manufacturing who reside in the United States, and caused an earnings / income decline for manual workers overseas, and investors / management / skilled "white collar" workers in the USA, a large percentage of whom are women.
You seem to want to be certain that commercial sex is available to those blue-collar USA Workers whose wages you have now elevated. You don't seem confident, which I agree with, that the upper-end USA Sex workers will lower their price to serve the newly-enriched manual factory workers, nor that the women from the relatively lower classes will lose weight or stop using drugs (unless they do more manually difficult factory work, and if you pay them the same as men, they may have relatively less incentive to do commercial sex work at the prices you seem to find appropriate). So you seem to have previously advocated that the USA Simply import its commercial sex workers from low-income countries, much like wealthier countries in Europe do with respect to women from Eastern Europe. There is some logic to that, given that "onshoring" more manual factory work to the USA Would cause more poverty abroad.
I simply try to imaging any politician advocating for what you seem to propose, and I shake my head in bewilderment. Isn't it better to just do wealth redistribution if you think the USA Economic system is simply unfair? I am genuinely curious if you would weight the welfare payments more heavily towards men than women?
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01-13-21 10:28 #2902
Posts: 22238Originally Posted by ExpatLover [View Original Post]