Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus!

[Pessimist]

I am ready for "safe and expensive" US websites with escort contacts. Somebody, anybody, send them to me. Please do. You can PM me. So far the only advise I am getting is SA, which is quite useless. I am not going to deal with prostitutes who think they are not prostitutes.

Have you ever met a prostitute, offered her money, and she rebuffed you "huh, what do you think I am not a prostitute!

If a girl is a prostitute and she knows she is one, she will say so and take your money. The only discussion you will have is re: details & negotiation. She will not sit there arguing with you that she is not a prostitute, not for days and weeks anyway.

I see this compulsion to label SA girls as prostitutes on the part of mongers here. There must be an arrogance "if I give her money, she better be prepared to be called a prostitute, how dare she!" (I am not at all saying you have it, but I have seen it expressed explicitly in those words by a few guys here).

I don't know why we are stuck up on labels. If you are not prepared to deal with the efforts needed and other work that has to be put in finding good sugar babes, that is fine. It is most definitely an effort. But to disdain the whole thing w / o knowing what it is and dismiss with a false characterization is not logical. I have had several dozens of very satisfying arrangements from that site. But I also had to put in a lot of effort, got turned down by dozens of girls but also accepted by many. And that is the other thing. Girls reject you not because the money is not to their liking but because you are not physically their type. One of the prettiest girls I met from that site rejected me at first, told me I am not attractive enough for her. I took it in my stride, kept chatting to her regularly, she eventually agreed to meet for a lunch date and soon after we had sex and to this day, that arrangement was one of my best ever. Persistence absolutely paid off in that instance. How often do prostitutes reject mongers because they are not attractive enough? When you have a good arrangement, it feels awesome. BTW, I need to gently correct M88: $500-600 is way too high. I have had several arrangements in which I paid 200 to 300, even exactly 200 (and I have seldom paid more than 350 ever) and yet spent a couple of hours on sex alone, not to mention more time in movies, dinner dates etc. On a per hour basis, SA is actually cheaper than FKK especially the recent Artemis rip-off prices; not to mention I don't need to pay flight, no need to take a week off, no need for all the other expenses. I wrote this recently in the SA thread as well. Earlier in the year prior to the pandemic, I spent 3 or 4 dates with a 20 year old Latina girl, one of them in a matinee movie. It had nice reclining chairs, almost like full beds, and we spent more than the half movie making out in the back row. And I still had not given any money to her yet. Later we did have sex and she asked for $150 gift (it was her first arrangement and she had no idea how much to ask). I gave her a bit more and felt lousy afterwards because she deserved at least $250 given the number of hours she spent with me. I was a cheap bastard. I still have her number as I do of several prior arrangements. If and when Covid feels a bit better, I will resume all those relationships. I know many of them are hurting for money and would love to meet and receive some help in return.

There is a thread with lots of detailed reports and info. Not a plug, I am not the owner of that thread. But the freelance sugarbabe type relationship is here to stay in my view. Not Easy for LE to control it because I don't mention sex in any of my communications with the girl, ever. It is understood.

[Pistons]

And I can understand him I suppose given all the wild great memories I have from having sex with Chinese and Thai girls in Macau / Chongping / bkk / Pattaya / Phuket where the girls wanted to marry me without me ever giving them any money. They even wanted to work for me and pay my expenses if they could only have a good sized dick filling them up every night. Expansion beyond what Asian men were able to deliver them.

At 18 sauna I was famous among the girls and even created a conflict between the Viet and Chinese girls because they had never seen a dick longer than 12 cm before, and mine was closer to 20. Just imagine what these stories does to Chinese / SE Asian men.

[Pistons]

And his big goal in life is to try and get back on white people for having had so much sex with all his Thai cousins. So much so that their vaginus has expanded beyond his own willy's capability.

[BaltiX]

Not respecting Coran, are so sure about it? May be you know " gorgs les tous" , do you know what is Ummah? Your vision of France is completely out of the reality, how many places in France you can't visit? The migrants just come to France for the social benefits, they have 0 interest to find job or to integrate. Every year 600000 migrants mostly Muslim enter France, and 200000 French people mostly educated and belonging to the middle or high class quit France. Land of freedom, when girls with short dress can t take the subway or the bus after 10 PM, land of freedom when in Saint Denis you can t sell pork or alcohol, please open your eyes before you are completely ridiculous.

600,000 is not correct. It's closer to 300,000 for 2019 according to this Wiki article:https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_en_France . Where is the source for 200,000 educated and wealthy French people leaving France? I looked around and found a figure of 60,000-80,000 people leaving France each year back from a 2014 article:https://www.nouvelobs.com/societe/20...a-quittes.html.

[Mr Ho]

If you look carefully his profile here, he never shared any experiences with girls here on forum.

I get where you are tying to go, but I do sometimes even though I do not see any point doing that, so read back carefully.

However, why do you come on forum to pick a fight or point finger at others? It shows your limited mongering experiences and happiness in your life because I am happy guy with my sex life since age 17 as most mongers with good lives are, so I got nothing to rant or point finger at anybody, what is your purpose in doing this? Please answer as I like to know your mental state behind such a negative attitude.

[Pistons]

The most pathetic guys during this pathetic are the younger ones who have only felt a female's touch with hookers. Imagine being 35-40 years old and haven't even been on a date in 10 years, if ever. They never actually ever had to earn the opposite sex's admiration either by physical attractiveness or ability to be "not creepy. ". I remember Evita at Sharks looking asking me about the a strange nordic guy that kept following me around. She asked, "why is he so strange. He looks like Frankenstein."

LOL, no high school drama right? And by this very comment you even declare that my last post was 100% spot on. Not even an attempt to hide it.

It is funny though with Evita and you. You seem to hear thing she is not saying, and avoid hearing what she is saying. Like the one time she told us straight up that she hunted Asians only because it was easy money and less work on her pussy.

Or the two different Oase girls who came up to me and told me what a tiny penis this Thai Chinese guy had. Then tried to show me by measuring 4-5 cm with their fingers.

[Pistons]

Hey, I remember Takedown. He had some controversial posts. Had some interaction with him concerning FKK activities. Perhaps he'll return when FKKs reopen.

Well, he is a would be doctor nurse and believes in everything fed through main stream channels. So as long as us working with communication wants people to be scared of covid-19, he'll stick around in the sex prison known as USA.

[Pistons]

So more conspiracy theory slop thrown against the wall. Keep my name off of this board's high school drama.

Not when you were the one starting the whole multiple nick drama in the first place. Then it is on topic.

[BigBuddy69]

I remember Evita at Sharks looking asking me about the a strange nordic guy that kept following me around. She asked, "why is he so strange. He looks like Frankenstein."

I met a guy like that in LR but he was more like a leprechaun or a kobold.

[Smoke Light]

You and Phallus are the ones who do the misleading posts, in my opinion.

A website of an independent escort who has reviews is simply not a trap by the police.

You take Backpage sting operations and invalidly extrapolate that to situations that are not synonymous to fool those who don't educate themselves as to how the system works.

I would never advise someone to book an inexpensive session through a mass advertising site. They do risk arrest that way.

One of the reasons the USA Scene is expensive is that to be left alone by law enforcement, the lady needs to screen and to incur overhead costs of having things like a website and other escort contacts.

And I dont understand the mistrust and negativity toward Seeking Arrangement ladies, especially given the favorable reviews in other threads. You are sitting across from a lady sharing a meal and ultimately discussing sex for money. How is the American SA lady so much more conniving than the Romanian sex worker prowling the FKK? Is it really something more than the price?

Absolutely nothing personal. I admit, I write this because I am frustrated. Married and working 100% from home just like Pessimist describes.

But it looks like you defending points without evidence. Let's just say commercial sex for a serial monger is pretty miserable in the US. And, by the way, why US is not on the ISG forum list? And why North Korea isn't on that list, either? Hmmm.

I am ready for "safe and expensive" US websites with escort contacts. Somebody, anybody, send them to me. Please do. You can PM me. So far the only advise I am getting is SA, which is quite useless. I am not going to deal with prostitutes who think they are not prostitutes.

[BrahmaPoutre]

That's the kind of reaction that immediately comes to most people mind. No sane, objective, and reasonable person would argue with your logic. Very well stated!

I would have said narrow minded people.

[ExpatLover]

If the immigrant is unhappy in France, why not just move to where he is happy? Or go back to his origin country where his religion is not mocked by others? You can't move to a new country and expect them to change their own culture or religion to your liking. France was way too tolerant with immigrants for too long, and this is exactly what happens when you lose control of your own country for too long. Cutting other people's head off is brutal terrorism and should never be condoned. Never. Never ever. Period.

Just because they make their living in France, social benefits are the highest in the world, beginning of the months when the French government pays the social benefits so many bank transfers are taking place to Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia and a lot of other African countries. Of course no migrant is targeting Poland, or Hungary, or Romania they know they will get 0 social benefits. It is a industry. I left France several years back and I will never come back.

[Pessimist]

We have needs. Restrictions, foreign and domestic, travel bans, bar closures, hotel and FKK shutdowns, all those essentials to our monger travel is an awful bitterness and irritation. The longer restrictions last, the stronger will be the resentment.

But how can you suggest that a commercial sex in the US is a free market? P6 is illegal in the US. That's a major force driving the prices up. For europeans, there are a lot more legal P6 options compared to the US. Your post is misleading. Independent escort websites are banned in the US. They can easily be police traps. If you wish to risk your reputation, sure. Sorry, my whole career is ruined if I get caught. So which independent escort websites you are talking about, specifically?

And Pahllus is right: Seeking Arrangement is a completely time wasteful, endless cat and mouse game that american women love the most. Degenerate code words and anyone's guesses what they mean in which context. This is not a P6, it's a resentment.

Arrest is nothing. You get to see a judge the next day, or a Monday, if you had to spend a weekend at the police station. Not to worry, you sleep on a "bed" without a mattress and they bring you a Big Mac or a cheeseburger from the local McDonalds. You pay your fine and you go home, but your arrest record, your charges, your real name become public. Your employer and your family will be glad to find out delicious details. Oh, freedom, such a simple word to casually toss around. US is a police state.

Critical assessment of one's country is not unpatriotic. Emigration and immigration are not unpatriotic or patriotic, either. It's an open-minded and basic human right to move to another part of the world. I understand what Pahllus writes. My bewilderment is what freedom you are talking about.

"Seeking Arrangement is a completely time wasteful, endless cat and mouse game that American women love the most".

You tried it? How long did you spend on the site, how many women have you met? Care to share any experiences? I have been on that site for 4+ years, nearing 5. My experiences have been very positive. I have written about them in both German threads and also in the dedicated SA thread on ISG. Many others contribute in the SA thread, and what you said above is not a sentiment shared by those. I pay $80 a month voluntarily to be on the site because it provides something of value; no one put a gun to me to stay on.

Isn't the point to accept the situation, accept that you are not going to change the world and make everyone see your point of view, but adapt to the surroundings and make use of the resource (which SA is. To me and many others), rather than condemn it? Granted, SA may not work for everyone. But that means there is mismatch between your needs and the resource. Find another resource that suits you instead of condemning the entire society and country.

"Arrest is nothing. . Your employer and your family will be glad to find out delicious details. Oh, freedom, such a simple word to casually toss around. US is a police state."

I assume these are things you imagine would happen, and did not actually happen to you. Or did they?

You know someone personally that went through the above? If not first hand info, please tell me what you wrote above is at least 2nd hand info.

I don't see that M88 has praised America as a paradise. He is saying US has pluses and minuses. He is a pragmatic man, he knows he will not change this world but is making the best life for himself as he sees fit (I guess; I don't know him personally, I never exchanged any PMs with him).

This is a country that provides a high standard of living to many. The P6 you speak of: you are able to afford the money because you are making it here. You could be based in Spain, prostitution is legal, but you might make much less money to actually enjoy it.

To claim US is a police state because your mongering activities are curtailed is absurd. Last I checked, mongering is not a fundamental right enshrined in first amendment.

I Googled and prostitution is legal in Colombia, Equador, many others. Hardly anyone thinks drug infested LatAm countries like those are beacons of liberty and US is a police state. And would you be better off being born in those countries as opposed to here, being located there now?

There are many genuinely oppressive police states; to trivialize them by calling US a police state is an extreme.

[SinglePro]

If the immigrant is unhappy in France, why not just move to where he is happy? Or go back to his origin country where his religion is not mocked by others? You can't move to a new country and expect them to change their own culture or religion to your liking. France was way too tolerant with immigrants for too long, and this is exactly what happens when you lose control of your own country for too long. Cutting other people's head off is brutal terrorism and should never be condoned. Never. Never ever. Period.

That's the kind of reaction that immediately comes to most sane peoples' minds. No fair-minded, objective, and reasonable person would argue with your logic. Very well stated! Sadly, there are many sell out, psychotic, self loathing, and traitorous individuals who would argue otherwise.

[ExpatLover]

Not respecting Coran, are so sure about it? May be you know " égorgés les tous" , do you know what is Ummah? Your vision of France is completely out of the reality, how many places in France you can't visit? The migrants just come to France for the social benefits, they have 0 interest to find job or to integrate. Every year 600000 migrants mostly Muslim enter France, and 200000 French people mostly educated and belonging to the middle or high class quit France. Land of freedom, when girls with short dress can t take the subway or the bus after 10 PM, land of freedom when in Saint Denis you can t sell pork or alcohol, please open your eyes before you are completely ridiculous.