Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus!

[Paulie97]

I wasn't being literal with the phrase, "it's all on the Democrats. " I simply meant that they wield most of the power now and if the party would tone down the bullshit, heartstring pulling rhetoric and start focusing on policy, then we may get somewhere. The very small amounts of condemnation of the summer racial protest was just that, giving them a covid social distance pass due to emotional policy and platform while just one week earlier scrutinizing the protest by redneck militia guys.

Yes conservative politicians and voters bear some responsibility and also have a role to play in avoiding the American apocalypse but the Dems have all of the votes. And if the Dems in charge would stop the emotion pandering, then they may win over more people who are put off by a platform based on political correctness by being polite as you say.

As usual we mostly agree, and I see that I misinterpreted parts of your post. I'm a lifelong Dem but am not on board with the far left wing of the party like Bernie, Warren, and the squad. Though the right likes to focus on them, they are a minority. As you can see none from that group became the presidential nominee, nor did they in 2016. We are a centrist country, and that's what we need to return to and maintain.

I'm convinced that Trump was a backlash to the first black president. In fact that's where it all started, with the Obama birther nonsense, and the lies just kept coming. It's a culture of dishonesty and conspiracy theories that Repubs need to be open to leaving behind.

The reason Biden picked a woman VP is because we needed to up our game with suburban women in order to win. Is no different than McCain's choice of Palin. Or when Cruz picked the woman Trump called ugly, Fiorina prior to even obtaining the nomination. These are just calculated political decisions, strategies to lure women voters.

Yes racism is engrained in US culture from the start, and was maintained through mediums like minstrel shows, the mockery of black children in literature, household products and brands, and the list goes on. What's been most concerning recently is the fleeing unarmed black suspects that were shot in the back, the case where suspects said they couldn't breathe and the cop didn't let up, and the lynching of the jogger Ahmaud Arbrey in Georgia.

Yea is true I tend hang with an older crowd when with other whites, and younger white guys as a whole are better on race, but still have a good ways to go. I got to hear plenty of chatter from younger racists when teaching at a private school. It comes with an hier of superiority, which is often unwarranted. For example when comparing a racist trailer park white to a successful professional black, the former looks like a fool.

[Mursenary]

Too funny, how do you think Blacks, Latinos, Arabs and Asians are talking among themselves about other races? I know since I've close friends of different ethnicties. I've so many fun anecdotes on that subject.

Speaking of history, are you even aware of how many Africans were sold into slavery by other Africans, some times even by members within their own tribe. Slavery was a part of African culture. Whites didn't create it, they did however partake in it. Slavery still exists mainly in Arab / North African countries like Mauritania and Libya to mention two countries. Mauritania didn't make slavery illegal until 1981.

A large number of European sailors were forced into slavery by North Africans.

Racism isn't a white thing, its universal. The key to progress is equal treatment and stop pointing out one ethnicity as responsible for all racism. Not only is it untrue, its causing more friction. There's a reason why POC are mainly moving to USA and not from USA.

Well, we were talking about the USA so methinks that enslaved white people have nothing to do with this conversation.

[ExpatLover]

Yes in China you can be put in jail or disappear when you criticize government, in Switzerland you can be put in jail without any proof you are guilty, France respect much more human rights and I m not afraid by my shadow. France is not responsible of Muslims and Jews history, but on first day I arrived in Sarcelles with my RS500, I felt like a foreigner there, but I saw a Caucasian woman and only with her eyes and sending so much love to everybody, Jews and Muslims who are population there, all followed a small woman, because they all knew she worked to help them, when she cried at home, but always big smile and ready to listen and help them. She made quiet between these 2 religions. On my first visit in US, I met a French woman there, nothing about sex, she proposed me to go to Orlando Disney, when I found Miami boring after visiting Everglades, Keys and Hemingway house and Xanadu Bahamas. I wanted to go to Downtown, but in mid 90's everybody told me too dangerous for a white. So, I rent a car and ler's go, 4 straight lines, Chevrolet going on her own and after few kilometers, police car behind with light on roof, policeman coming from his car with hand on gun, knocking at window I didn't want to open when I saw where was his hand. He understood we were foreigners, I explained him I was not used to drive in US and about speed when 95 for I think 60 or 80 LIMIT, he told me he could put me in jail, but French woman told him: but I want to enjoy Mickey, please, and not even a fine, not a Swiss robber, not meaning Swiss people I like, are robbers.

I drove millions of kilometers in my life, in many different countries, was only controlled 1 time in Morocco by the Gendarmerie Royale even 0 control in Namibia, Senegal. I never got any ticket. I also worked in Switzerland and never got any problems with the police. The road is not a place to express our frustrations, (big cars small dicks: those who are thinking that they are better drivers than the others should go on racing circuits.

[ExpatLover]

Well, do not forget these WGs need us as much as we need them. All of the girls working in the FKKs are self-employed they sell something and we buy, transaction happen. Everyone happy, so happy days.

Sorry they don't need us they need our money, but what are most doing with their money? Most of the girls even with good business for many years have no savings, they are just spending their money on useless things. Sad for them. In this difficult times my target is not to support the P6 industry like the P6 industry will not support me: Every one is life.

[ShooBree]

But I disagree that it is "all on the Dems now." The Repubs also have a part to play, especially in the matter of rejecting the many outright lies in Trumpism. There's an alternate universe out there in social media that is in our politics, and in the WH for a bit longer, from Covid denialism, stop the steal lies, new world order nonsense, and a whole culture of conspiracy theory peddlers and followers. They need to come to reality.

And you simply miss the mark with the "chicken and egg" angle, implying the Dems or "liberals" or the "politically correct" or whatnot are responsible for Trump, and thus need to back off in order for him or his movement to go away. If you want to play chicken and egg you can go back to the roots of this country and the white male privilege written into the founding documents. From there you can reference all the attempts in various generations at seeing structural change and the corresponding resistance from those in greater positions of power, chicken and egg galore.

Putting all the responsibility on one side is the last thing we need to do actually. We need to tone it down, seek understanding, dispel myths, and seek compromise. Hard work for sure, but that's democracy. But yea, we've had this discussion before. I'm a white guy with a southern accent. You're an Asian guy. You may think you know how many "conservative" or whatever American white guys talk off the record among themselves, but I don't believe it. I know because I'm perceived as safe. I'll inform the members here that it's often ugly, stereotypical, and often fueled with epithets. That also includes white law enforcement officers I've known. So yea, the property damage and violence that has occurred at some protests associated with BLM is wrong, but the heart of their concerns is right on. And I'll add that your use of the world "politically correct" isn't going to go far in forwarding the needed discussions. It's essentially a wholesale dismissal of the concerns of the other side. Often what's deemed politically correct is just being polite..

Too funny, how do you think Blacks, Latinos, Arabs and Asians are talking among themselves about other races? I know since I've close friends of different ethnicties. I've so many fun anecdotes on that subject.

Speaking of history, are you even aware of how many Africans were sold into slavery by other Africans, some times even by members within their own tribe. Slavery was a part of African culture. Whites didn't create it, they did however partake in it. Slavery still exists mainly in Arab / North African countries like Mauritania and Libya to mention two countries. Mauritania didn't make slavery illegal until 1981.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-d...-in-mauritania

https://www.wsj.com/articles/when-th...an-11568991595

A large number of European sailors were forced into slavery by North Africans.

https://news.osu.edu/when-europeans-...usly-believed/

Racism isn't a white thing, its universal. The key to progress is equal treatment and stop pointing out one ethnicity as responsible for all racism. Not only is it untrue, its causing more friction. There's a reason why POC are mainly moving to USA and not from USA.

https://www.nas.org/blogs/article/wh..._can_be_racist

https://meaww.com/tucker-carlson-acc...racism-harvard

https://www.jns.org/biden-nominee-fo...rd-university/

https://www.ibtimes.sg/kristen-clark...remacist-54877

[DaWong949]

This is a nice sentiment. Very positive. It won't be long now. We had the long bike ride up the hill, we have the crest and soon the fast descent to the finish line. Like all men, this summer we will be in the clubs, and we will be looking at breasts and our minds will have forgotten all our sorrow.

Very good!

[Adindas]

... the problem is what are we doing now to fight against the virus, but for some people it seems the main focus is more to going again to prostitutes in Germany.

Well, do not forget these WGs need us as much as we need them. All of the girls working in the FKKs are self-employed they sell something and we buy, transaction happen. Everyone happy, so happy days.

[Adindas]

Everyone especially mongers, hookers and those in the airline and hotel industries are angry because of covid 19. However, there is nothing that one can do but wait it out. We should try to make the best of it. With the money one is saving perhaps one can undertake long overdue house renovations or other things one has been putting off for a long time. I have renewed acquaintances with long time friends. I just discovered that one of my female friends from over 30 years ago had a stroke and is in a nursing home. I will be visiting her today. There are many things we can do before this pandemic is over can we can get back to pursuing our favorite pastime.

This is encouraging. Thanks for the reminder.

[Mursenary]

But I disagree that it is "all on the Dems now." The Repubs also have a part to play, especially in the matter of rejecting the

And you simply miss the mark with the "chicken and egg" angle, implying the Dems or "liberals" or the "politically correct" or whatnot are responsible for

Putting all the responsibility on one side is the last thing we need to do actually. We need to tone it down, seek understanding, dispel myths, and seek compromise. Hard work for sure, but that's democracy. But

P.S. I was playing hooky today after committing myself to giving up the internet debates given that I'm way behind on some work endeavors. I may or may not

I wasn't being literal with the phrase, "it's all on the Democrats. " I simply meant that they wield most of the power now and if the party would tone down the bullshit, heartstring pulling rhetoric and start focusing on policy, then we may get somewhere. The very small amounts of condemnation of the summer racial protest was just that, giving them a covid social distance pass due to emotional policy and platform while just one week earlier scrutinizing the protest by redneck militia guys.

Yes conservative politicians and voters bear some responsibility and also have a role to play in avoiding the American apocalypse but the Dems have all of the votes. And if the Dems in charge would stop the emotion pandering, then they may win over more people who are put off by a platform based on political correctness by being polite as you say.

Yes, we can play chicken and egg arguments as referenced in private inbox discussions, but blaming wasn't my priority. I meant that the rise of Trump was enabled by this emotionally charged iteration of the "Progressive" movement, one that is more void of actual policy and focuses more on what sounds good in political theater rather than actual reality-based policy. Yes racism exists and many people harbor racial stereotypes, but things like portraying mass murder of "completely innocent" black men by police officers as based soley on color of skin, as if the nature of poor black American culture and norms of communication and what is considered nonaggressive behavior has nothing to do with a lack of understanding between people from different social backgrounds. Or the fact that the president elect committed to a female vice president before vetting all candidates purely for the sake of signaling that Dems are the party of gender equality.

I'm not sure what you mean by you being white with me being Asian and not knowing how many white guys say racist things in private and why that matters. Yeah, lots of white guys are racists, lots aren't. I don't think being a white person yourself in a country as large and as diverse as the USA really gives you much more insight. Or I can also say that your perception of white male racist prevalence may be skewed to the percentages inherent to the older male generation which does not extrapolate to the younger (one would think) less racist generation.

We'll see if this gets through as it seems that the mods are quite inconsistent with what they let through. Is this too much racial talk? Or is is it okay since it favors a particular side?

[Sirioja]

Tokyo in island is now under covid, not better than elsewhere. Olympics are in danger, and wet hot Summer is not good time for resistance sports, even dangerous for marathon and long distance walking. China also confine again some places. Now South African and Brazilian mutants, when UK mutant make panic in Western Europe. Hard times to come. Wish vaccine will protect old and medical.

[Sirioja]

Do you know why the emblem of France is the rooster (LE coq) just because it is the only animal able to sing the feet's in the shit. We have no choice about our origin so why should we be proud for that. I am just living now in a country where the police is doing their job, where the criminals are going to jail, where the neighbours respect each other, where my 2 daughters can go party at any time of the night without taking any risk. Do I wish to go back to France, of course not, it is just a crazy nightmare to thinking about it.

Yes in China you can be put in jail or disappear when you criticize government, in Switzerland you can be put in jail without any proof you are guilty, France respect much more human rights and I m not afraid by my shadow. France is not responsible of Muslims and Jews history, but on first day I arrived in Sarcelles with my RS500, I felt like a foreigner there, but I saw a Caucasian woman and only with her eyes and sending so much love to everybody, Jews and Muslims who are population there, all followed a small woman, because they all knew she worked to help them, when she cried at home, but always big smile and ready to listen and help them. She made quiet between these 2 religions. On my first visit in US, I met a French woman there, nothing about sex, she proposed me to go to Orlando Disney, when I found Miami boring after visiting Everglades, Keys and Hemingway house and Xanadu Bahamas. I wanted to go to Downtown, but in mid 90's everybody told me too dangerous for a white. So, I rent a car and ler's go, 4 straight lines, Chevrolet going on her own and after few kilometers, police car behind with light on roof, policeman coming from his car with hand on gun, knocking at window I didn't want to open when I saw where was his hand. He understood we were foreigners, I explained him I was not used to drive in US and about speed when 95 for I think 60 or 80 LIMIT, he told me he could put me in jail, but French woman told him: but I want to enjoy Mickey, please, and not even a fine, not a Swiss robber, not meaning Swiss people I like, are robbers.

[Sirioja]

From 1918 to 1924 a lot of people like you were saying that the flue was coming from Spain even Spanish people were killed for that, today it is the Chinese, please let us be a little bit reasonable nobody knows from where this virus is coming from and it doesn't matter at all, the problem is what are we doing now to fight against the virus, but for some people it seems the main focus is more to going again to prostitutes in Germany.

We know covid started in China in October 2019 and Chinese government lied for months. They threatened doctor Li, now they lost Alibaba boss who disappeared.

[Paulie97]

Unfortunately Democrat / Liberal vs Republican / Conservative is still a lot major problem.

It's all on the Democrats now. The winnable right of center crowd will not be swayed if the Democratic party continues to use emotional, racial, and moral pandering as part of their messaging campaigns. Racism and violence against black people, while a real issue, is overblown and worsened by making it politically incorrect to place any responsibility on the black community itself whatsoever. American Healthcare while flawed, has it's merits. America is the mecca of medical innovation, the center for development of standards of care, and our system allows for those who don't use many of its services to choose to not pay for more than their fair share..

But I disagree that it is "all on the Dems now." The Repubs also have a part to play, especially in the matter of rejecting the many outright lies in Trumpism. There's an alternate universe out there in social media that is in our politics, and in the WH for a bit longer, from Covid denialism, stop the steal lies, new world order nonsense, and a whole culture of conspiracy theory peddlers and followers. They need to come to reality.

And you simply miss the mark with the "chicken and egg" angle, implying the Dems or "liberals" or the "politically correct" or whatnot are responsible for Trump, and thus need to back off in order for him or his movement to go away. If you want to play chicken and egg you can go back to the roots of this country and the white male privilege written into the founding documents. From there you can reference all the attempts in various generations at seeing structural change and the corresponding resistance from those in greater positions of power, chicken and egg galore.

Putting all the responsibility on one side is the last thing we need to do actually. We need to tone it down, seek understanding, dispel myths, and seek compromise. Hard work for sure, but that's democracy. But yea, we've had this discussion before. I'm a white guy with a southern accent. You're an Asian guy. You may think you know how many "conservative" or whatever American white guys talk off the record among themselves, but I don't believe it. I know because I'm perceived as safe. I'll inform the members here that it's often ugly, stereotypical, and often fueled with epithets. That also includes white law enforcement officers I've known. So yea, the property damage and violence that has occurred at some protests associated with BLM is wrong, but the heart of their concerns is right on. And I'll add that your use of the world "politically correct" isn't going to go far in forwarding the needed discussions. It's essentially a wholesale dismissal of the concerns of the other side. Often what's deemed politically correct is just being polite.

P.S. I was playing hooky today after committing myself to giving up the internet debates given that I'm way behind on some work endeavors. I may or may not continue, plus you are a fight to the death sort of guy, so I'm confident you'd get the last word anyway. Shoobree though will go back and forth with you as long as you want. Though on this one, he probably agrees with you. LOLOL.

[ExpatLover]

COVID-19 makes me angry especially directed to those who have prevented me of enjoying the life I used to have. Keep in mind many of the world pandemic originated in China including this COVID-19 virus.

The people and Chinese government never learn to prevent that to happen again. They keep eating bats, dogs, rats, Lizard, tiggers, etc the main carriier of the deadly pandemic virussess.

Wish all of this would end soon and FKK, RLDs, GD Parties, partytreffs opened and business run as usual.

I just want my life back.

From 1918 to 1924 a lot of people like you were saying that the flue was coming from Spain even Spanish people were killed for that, today it is the Chinese, please let us be a little bit reasonable nobody knows from where this virus is coming from and it doesn't matter at all, the problem is what are we doing now to fight against the virus, but for some people it seems the main focus is more to going again to prostitutes in Germany.

[ExpatLover]

Again, I don't say no problem in France, when more than 68000 deaths from covid is unfortunately much too much, but we seem better than UK and Germany at the moment and fortunately for us, we don t have a Trump. We also fight against terrorism with deaths for us. But we have high quality of life, higher than Germany or UK for my tastes. I like London, but I would not go to Germany for else than brothels, even Bavaria is beautiful, but I don t go to ski there because we have better places in France, despite famous Kandahar Garmisch Partenkirchen. Except for Verbier, Switzerland is also only for brothels now for me and I buy Swiss white chocolate now in France, to pay tax for my country. When Romanian girls tell me I should visit their beautiful country, I may never go, but I answer they have to be proud of their origin, even they were born poor. I was lucky to have great parents and I m proud to be French, even bad French, but I know what I want.

Do you know why the emblem of France is the rooster (LE coq) just because it is the only animal able to sing the feet's in the shit. We have no choice about our origin so why should we be proud for that. I am just living now in a country where the police is doing their job, where the criminals are going to jail, where the neighbours respect each other, where my 2 daughters can go party at any time of the night without taking any risk. Do I wish to go back to France, of course not, it is just a crazy nightmare to thinking about it.