Thread: Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus!
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04-11-20 17:01 #12
Posts: 1385Originally Posted by Optimist [View Original Post]
I disagree. I am not in the risky age groups and I do not have any Existing conditions that predispose me to the virus. I still am observing the distancing rules strictly and Staying home. I'm lucky that I can wfh w / o loss of any income, and the biggest misfortune that has befallen on me is the loss of a huge amount in stock markets but I can weather it.
Sugar babes are quite desperate now. I see many pretty new girls on the site, and most are out of jobs and have no income. If my intention was to just fuck a girl, it is easier to do so locally, and prices are even cheaper than FKKs. I'm not meeting them out of caution and for my own safety. I am surprised that mongers are desperate to fuck ex FKK girls in Germany whichever way they can. If you are willing to do so, you might as well eschew all distancing rules and try to build your own personal dose of herd immunity.
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04-11-20 16:41 #11
Posts: 22245Originally Posted by Optimist [View Original Post]
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04-11-20 15:48 #10
Posts: 22245Originally Posted by Akibono [View Original Post]
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04-11-20 14:56 #9
Posts: 4343Originally Posted by Turgid [View Original Post]
Of course, Apollyon may have other thoughts
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04-11-20 14:51 #8
Posts: 4343Originally Posted by Apollyon [View Original Post]
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04-11-20 14:10 #7
Posts: 5652Originally Posted by Apollyon [View Original Post]
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04-11-20 13:33 #6
Posts: 2073Originally Posted by Mursenary [View Original Post]
Milan politicians encouraging citizens to go out even after first 11 towns locked down: https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...navirus-crisis.
Germany politicians have been lauded. Their first chain of infections came a month before Italy's. They effectively contained that first cluster which bought them crucial time to ramp up capacity (urgent care beds, testing kit, medical / emergency personnel capacity). https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKCN21R1DB.
However, media from around the world is decrying the lack of universal health care in the USA, and questioning why poor Black and Hispanic communities are dying at disproportionate rates.
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04-11-20 12:55 #5
Posts: 737I think so too
Originally Posted by Samplerr [View Original Post]
Lower population densities certainly help, it is no wonder that New York is the worst afflicted area of the US. However the only way to assess a health care system is the mortality rate per those who are seriously afflicted with the disease, we don't really have such general statistics, but we can assess mortality rates per known infection.
And in that respect certain countries are doing quite poorly despite the futile assertions to the contrary here and from the numbers I have just seen on CNN, the US is not doing particularly badly but it is in an earlier phase of the pandemic, given the lag between infection time and death, the mortality rate will increase in the US.
There aren't really any effective treatments for this as far as I know, so it is really up to your immune system. The reason people are touting arguments like our health care system is much better, we will therefore handle it better or we are just better people is that they are deadly scared and nervous and hoping this is the case against a careful reading of the evidence.
Lower population densities coupled with a sensible lockdown are a definitive advantage, certainly Australia is far less vulnerable than India would be given its far lower density, but in this respect the US outside of its relatively dense urban areas, of which there are relatively few, would have a slower rate of progression than many European regions. Unless there is an effective treatment, no countries health care system will make much of a difference.
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04-11-20 12:20 #4
Posts: 2344Without a doubt population density majorly determines infection rates which in turn plays a heavy hand in determining mortality rates (deaths within a total population). What the density angle doesn't really explain is the case fatality rate, CFR (deaths once you have the disease). In the case of the US, ours is sitting at 3. 7%. Even in densely populated NYC as you explain, that rate is at 6.3%. Compare those numbers to the entire countries of France, Spain, Belgium, UK, and the Netherlands whose CFR are all over 10%. The city of NYC alone, despite its density, is keeping people alive at a greater rate than entire western European countries even when you dilute their infection rates with the countryside. So despite overloading the healthcare system in our most densely populated city, we are still producing better results than entire developed countries.
As for quality of care, while the science of medicine is somewhat universal, the logistics of delivering that care is not. The US has the most number of critical care beds and ventilators per capita than any nation in the world. In addition to doctors, we utilize a system of mid-level providers such as Nurse practitioners (NPs) and Physicians Assistants (PAs). In addition, our nurses are more likely to be university educated than those in Europe. Despite our problems with poor general health and a population suffering from chronic illnesses, the numbers do show that we are superior in responding to an acute medical crisis than most of our developed nation peers.
At any rate, my point was to correct several statements that portrayed a picture of American carnage responding to Covid-19 and other criticisms of American healthcare when the data show that we are doing a better job than most of these western European nations. And I'll reiterate the need to pay attention to the data rather than the sensational images on your screens. That's what smart men do, use the data.
Originally Posted by Samplerr [View Original Post]
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04-11-20 12:01 #3
Posts: 128Last night in Sweden
Originally Posted by Pessimist [View Original Post]
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04-11-20 10:50 #2
Posts: 22245Originally Posted by MrHo [View Original Post]
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01-01-00 04:00 #1
Posts: 2690Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus!
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