Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus!

[Sirioja]

Disheartening, as it didn't have to be that way. I incorrectly expected cases in continental Europe to somewhat follow the UK path, but the problems with vaccine rollout is entirely disappointing while unnecessarily prolonging the restrictions.

The encouraging trend is that Czechia, the apparent epicenter of the recent surge, appears to have decreased their incidence rate. While frustrating for the people living in Germany, from the outside looking in, Germany's non-vaccine related initiatives still seems to be superior to most of the rest of continental Europe. For now, I'll keep faith that Germany will keep this surge from becoming a true wave. No way it becomes as bad as Christmas. Or can it?

High peak was planned by Western EU on March, and even use again AZ but with restrictions, only between 55 and 75, when I think was only tested for less than 65. When trouble making her falling on recent elections in 2 landers, Angela is even waiting for sputnik to be allowed by EU, when many Russians don't trust and when many in Germany and France don t want AZ. With elections for after Angela after Summer, I wonder who would risk to allow reopening of big brothel risky playfield. On 2021, Germany may not be so open, when they also had so many deaths, when was open for about 5 months for Samya, LR, Gold, on last year. But cleverness is ability to adapt and improve for me, so not only Germany, but I wish the best for our neighbour.

[PaulInZurich]

If now we believe WHO I am afraid we are going to face strong nightmares. The situation is just terrible in many countries in Europe, we all know that 50% of the dead are obese and the most of the other 50% have very limited life expectancy (less than 1 year), I can also go more in details about ethnicity, social class. But all this is just unacceptable for a waste majority of people, milked with twitter, Facebook, CNN.

Please tell this to my buddy, 42 years old, sub 12 h ironman finisher, multiple marathons, half marathons and 10 k runs, was training for the Great Divide race 4900 km, did several grand fondos, then every winter ski touring.

He is now doing Reha for 4 month and still has to stop to catch up his breath going up a flight of stairs. Sure he is not a typical case, but see one case like this with your own eyes and maybe you don't just think, who cares if somebody's grandma is dead, she should have gone easier on the cake.

[PaulInZurich]

If you ever tried climbing real steep, not 6/8%, but more than 13% and I let you imagine, have you ever seen more than 20%..

This might be news for you, there is this thing called mountain biking. I think in France they call it VTT. Plenty of steep climbs available with the added bonus of uneven terrain and reduced traction.

You just need the right gearing.

[PaulInZurich]

Disheartening, as it didn't have to be that way. I incorrectly expected cases in continental Europe to somewhat follow the UK path, but the problems with vaccine rollout is entirely disappointing while unnecessarily prolonging the restrictions.

UK (and US) has a much higher vaccination rate. EU so far can claim that they don't have enough doses, but I fear that they will fumble on large scale distribution when larger quantities will become available.

Once enough doses are available, they have to supply any Hausarzt, pharmacy, etc with vaccines.

[PaulInZurich]

Even vaccined, you can still get and give. Vaccined won't put anymore mask and will give to not vaccined who will also give...

Studies that start coming out claim that vaccines substantially reduce transmission.

Pfizer and Moderna.

https://www.businessinsider.com/vacc...21-2?r=US&IR=T

Astrazeneca.

https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-02-02...month-interval

Earlier there was not enough data to make a claim about transmission rates, but this is being looked at. With the hundreds of millions of doses given, the data will come out.

[Samplerr]

While countries like UK, US, and Israel have seen drastic improvements since vaccine rollouts, some countries oppose the trend and bring up a major concern. Countries with higher than average vaccination rates like Chile and Serbia buck the trend and continue to see rising cases.

In Serbia apparently they're mostly using the Sinopharm vaccine from China. According to this article Sinopharm produces antibodies more slowly.

https://www.rferl.org/a/serbia-vacci.../31130079.html

[PaulInZurich]

I don't think anybody made any mutation, just from location where started, but UK spread a lot, making trip, making clusters in some ski resorts, when they knew about, and killing Western continental Europe where they travelled even knowing. When their mutant spread and kill 60% more, I wonder how many deaths from UK mutant, when we know what happened in Portugal, and now in Italy or France where more than 50% new cases are mutant, mostly UK, Germany and Spain preferring to protect versus UK, must be a reason when not helping business.

So you mean these were people who thought they can't possible get and transmit covid, who decide their fun is the most important thing, how careless and selfish of them?

Got it.

[PaulInZurich]

For sure Peter Sagan is not as fit as me and not same dietetics also, he should stop to smoke or drink, and I'm sure he doesn't like climbing like me. I proposed you already few times for Gran San Bernardino, you take your light carbon, I take my crappy child bicycle with roulettes little wheels and let s go just for fun to open and clean lungs breathing fresh air, ask your doctor if this is not efficient versus covid when I remember how many WGs I kissed and fucked since covid, I will drive from Aosta, letting car on top. If bald fat bullshiting French want we climb Galibier from Valloire, or with telegraphe before, let s go also, I look forward and for my Summer. I never saw any carbon climbing without a guy sweating on and Sagan doesn't like this, he does only for green suit and money, when I enjoy my passion. He is a puncher, not a climber, too heavy, not fit enough.

Let's see, on one side, Peter Sagan, 31 years, professional cyclist for 10+ years, 3 times World Champion, 7 times winner green Jersey, 12 Tour de France stages, 1 Giro stage, 4 Vuelta stages, winner at Flanders and Roubaix, 1 time European champion, countless half classics.

On the other side, random guy on the internet, 50+, claiming he is fitter than Sagan.

You claiming that you are more fit in any possible way is as believable as all your stories about "your" WGs how you make all of them cum and how they all want you.

Quod erat demonstrandum.

[Mursenary]

Vaccination efficacy Cause for concern:

While countries like UK, US, and Israel have seen drastic improvements since vaccine rollouts, some countries oppose the trend and bring up a major concern. Countries with higher than average vaccination rates like Chile and Serbia buck the trend and continue to see rising cases.

https://ourworldindata.org/explorers...ry=BHR~CHL~SRB

[Mursenary]

And hey, just a third reminder, you got the data you asked for. And you were wrong.

Typical gaslighting and data cherie-picking.

Just compare Sweden with the rest of the world and you see the madness of lockdowns, face diapers and "vaccines."

Put Sweden against the world, it fails.

https://ourworldindata.org/explorers...urope OWID_WRL

[Mursenary]

That's why fearmongers and gaslighters like Mursenary are busy trolling this (and other?) forums: promote fear and promote the vaccine.

Gaslighting? Did I? Do you feel psychologically manipulated or abused? I'm so sorry. Do you need a tissue Karen Sue?

Or maybe you don't know meaning of the term gaslighting.

No I am not gaslighting or fearmongering. I want to get to the end of this like most people. Part of that involves countering the statements that conspiracy theorists and people with selfish intents spew from Bullshit Mountain.

[Mursenary]

If CV19 is truly going away, increasing tests should result in a lower daily positive rate. Germany is back at where it was in late-October: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/p...ountry=DEU~GBR.

Disheartening, as it didn't have to be that way. I incorrectly expected cases in continental Europe to somewhat follow the UK path, but the problems with vaccine rollout is entirely disappointing while unnecessarily prolonging the restrictions.

The encouraging trend is that Czechia, the apparent epicenter of the recent surge, appears to have decreased their incidence rate. While frustrating for the people living in Germany, from the outside looking in, Germany's non-vaccine related initiatives still seems to be superior to most of the rest of continental Europe. For now, I'll keep faith that Germany will keep this surge from becoming a true wave. No way it becomes as bad as Christmas. Or can it?

[Carpaccio18]

Before speaking about vaccine passport, I think first we have to evaluate the efficiency of the different vaccines (some medical staff even vaccinated got the covid) and second how will the vaccine works against the new variants and how long the vaccine are efficient, 6 months, 12 months. We can imagine to vaccinated the entire population every 6 months or each time a new variant pop up. Let us see what will happen in Israel in the coming months before taking any conclusions.

Well, we will probably start to see the efficiency of vaccines in a few months, whieverway. Israel is far into it, and UK is pushing 40% with first jab. That will start to reflect in the number of people getting real sick and hospitalized from this damn thing. Once that happens (and hopefully in a good way), maybe we can start seeing countries getting affected more like a normal flu, and stop talking about wave 3, 4, 5 and whatever. And get on with our lives.

But there seem to be a real push from EU and many countries to make corona passport a reality, some to save the tourism industry. Same already have printed versions, and common smarphone apps are in the making.

The passport seem intended for flying, fetstivals, concerts, nightclubs etc where many pepole are in one place or close proximity. Thus it would be obvious to let FKKs open in the same way. EU comission want it ready before summer.

[Sirioja]

I don't dispute your argument. - Yet I am sure that your numbers are also considered. The point of reporting the one number to the masses is that they got used to it.

Politics is likely driven by quite a few other numbers and considerations. And I still agree it is all shitty politics. I totally share your frustrations.

And yes, current direction maybe to remain having FKK and disco clubs closed for a long while.

Don't Germans wish and need more safety than now? Is being big brothel of Western Europe with guys bringing their diseases from all over the world what Germans wish? When elections to come for after Angela. Is Bavarian on good way for after Angela? When he wanted to close border with cousin Tirol under mutant.

[Sirioja]

I understand, so you mean tiny little guy with the upper body strength of a 10 year old.

If you ever tried climbing real steep, not 6/8%, but more than 13% and I let you imagine, have you ever seen more than 20%, a bit scary when you are in front at the bottom, then you should know your own weight is your enemy, much more than carbon versus ally, my sport is not to play Sumo, but to fight gravity and Newton and I'm ready to do my best to achieve my passions I non stop dream about, no too long runs, not more than 90 kms for up and down, but most extreme steep, like for my free riding spots, more and more extreme, to get new adrenaline, making you feel so good. Look at Xtreme Verbier 25th birthday on next week, remind me Mont Gelé , not Tortin but Verbier side through rocks.