Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus!

[Pessimist]

In addition to what I already said about why I mentioned Sweden, one thing I forgot. If we believe that the Nobel Prizes from Sweden awarded for various scientific achievements worldwide are mostly correct, we should also at least start looking into and try as appropriate their (Sweden's) so far successful scientific approach in managing this virus. We shouldn't think Sweden knows shit about science when it comes to this virus, but when they award scientists with Nobel Prizes they know how to pick a winner.

TBH, this is a totally flawed argument. The Nobel prize is effectively a private prize, awarded by a private foundation. It is not even given out by Sweden so to speak. To the extent a government / country is involved, it is Riksbank which gives out the Economics prize. The science and Lit prizes are from the Nobel foundation. The very notion that a country becomes a role model because a private person long dead and his foundation are awarding prizes is just laughable. Such an idea is not scientific or rational so to speak. Furthermore, the prestige of Nobel is mainly due to tradition, longevity. It is like Wimbledon of prizes. If Nobel survives for another 100 years which it very well could, the prize would be 200+ years old by then and even more prestigious because it is that much older. According to your logic, the scientific advancement and culture in Sweden is guaranteed to be strong in the future simply because the most prestigious prize happened to be awarded by a foundation based in their country.

Personally, I think Sweden is a fine country and have come up with some fine tech firms (Ericsson, Spotify, iZettle, etc.) but to ascribe any of these successes to existence of Nobel foundation or to claim that Sweden should be a role model because of this foundation's base in Sweden is not a credible idea. If you had simply said "Swedes are a rational and sensible bunch, very well educated, have a progressive and caring government that takes the best actions for its people" I would be far more inclined to agree with such a statement.

[Gino02]

Well, I am not debating what they *should do*. I was asking will the clubs shut again due to the rising loads. There is already a healthy debate going on with regards to the former, so I will let that continue w / o my involvement for now.

Although, I don't get your reference to Sweden and origination of Nobels in this context (unless you included that snippet for rhetorical flourish). Because Nobels come from Sweden does not make that country more advanced in science and scientific thinking, not anymore than Olympics having originated in Greece make Greece the most gifted country in worldwide sports. Sweden may or may not have advanced science but that has no relation to Nobel academy being physically located there. If for some reason, the Nobel academy decides to change their office to London or NYC (I am not expecting it however), it will not have much impact on the development and influence of science on the Swedish society either.

In addition to what I already said about why I mentioned Sweden, one thing I forgot. If we believe that the Nobel Prizes from Sweden awarded for various scientific achievements worldwide are mostly correct, we should also at least start looking into and try as appropriate their (Sweden's) so far successful scientific approach in managing this virus. We shouldn't think Sweden knows shit about science when it comes to this virus, but when they award scientists with Nobel Prizes they know how to pick a winner.

[McAdonis]

Sweden testing is much lower than other countries of similar size and if you want to compare Sweden death rates with countries of similar size, here you go: Sweden: 585 deaths /1 M people; Czech Rep:133/1 M people; Switzerland: 245/1 M people; Austria: 99/1 M people; Serbia: 89/1 M people; Greece: 49/1 M. You cannot compare with Belgium, because they only look at excess deaths (all cause mortality). Still think Sweden is in a good place?

If you ignore the last six months, Sweden seems to be in a better place than the rest of Europe as of the third week of October. I am not sure if it has anything to do with their decision to stay "open". But perhaps more about their geography, lack of inbound travel, low population density, and the percentage of people that live alone. Swedes have lower levels of "social contact" and some have remarked that they have been practicing social distancing their entire lives. Remote, low population density countries like Australia or New Zealand could probably aggressively open right now. Australia, New Zealand have the lowest positivity rates in the world at a fraction of a percent. Contrast to most of Europe (other than Germany) which has of late had positivity rate of 10-20 percent.

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavir...pickerSort=asc

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/p...daily-smoothed

[Gino02]

Well, I am not debating what they *should do*. I was asking will the clubs shut again due to the rising loads. There is already a healthy debate going on with regards to the former, so I will let that continue w / o my involvement for now.

Although, I don't get your reference to Sweden and origination of Nobels in this context (unless you included that snippet for rhetorical flourish). Because Nobels come from Sweden does not make that country more advanced in science and scientific thinking, not anymore than Olympics having originated in Greece make Greece the most gifted country in worldwide sports. Sweden may or may not have advanced science but that has no relation to Nobel academy being physically located there. If for some reason, the Nobel academy decides to change their office to London or NYC (I am not expecting it however), it will not have much impact on the development and influence of science on the Swedish society either.

I referred Nobel Prizes to simply point that Sweden has been pioneer in that area before others, then others followed and some are better, same like in your example of Olympics. Hopefully people will also learn from and follow them in their unique way of handling Covid-19 with better successful long-term results. I personally think Sweden is a pioneer in handing Covid-19 in longer term most effectively.

[Gino02]

Sweden testing is much lower than other countries of similar size and if you want to compare Sweden death rates with countries of similar size, here you go: Sweden: 585 deaths /1 M people; Czech Rep:133/1 M people; Switzerland: 245/1 M people; Austria: 99/1 M people; Serbia: 89/1 M people; Greece: 49/1 M. You cannot compare with Belgium, because they only look at excess deaths (all cause mortality). Still think Sweden is in a good place?

Are you talking about total deaths since the beginning of Covid-19 or the current 7 or 3 days moving averages of deaths, for last few months? I'm talking about 7 or 3 days moving averages of deaths for last 3 months, which tells us how good or bad any country handled it.

[BrahmaPoutre]

Was not too difficult to Google: https://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...-b1130533.html.

His widow's Instagram. She has 5 million followers: https://www.instagram.com/sofia_stuzhuk.

This 33 yo had 1 million followers. Three beautiful kids and a wife.

And how many 33 yo guys died of Covid compared to old people (60+) ?

[Pistons]

Lets look at it like this:

We have all heard the interviews by the Chinese insider Li-Meng Yang who tells us how they have made the virus in 6 months in the Wuhan lab.

So if say China, France and the USA are cooperating against all the people of the world in an Agenda 21 depopulation plot, and we now see that this version of covid is not effective enough at killing people. What would you do?

- make an even more effective covid-mutation.

- move onto ebola instead. Especially as we can see Africa seems to be largely immune for some reason. Either due to large scale drugs being used against other infectious diseases, or just the higher sun intake people there get. Or the average younger age of people in Africa.

Right now we are hearing about the mink farms in Denmark, and possible new corona strains. So lets see how many people dies from this.

And next year, expect ebola.

[HammerTime96]

Something 'very strange' is going on with Europe's second wave infections: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJmni3LVK3k.

[Rocky V]

All true, except for no mention of Sweden where even though cases are going up, daily death rates keep staying same at below 2 for last couple of months. Agreed it's a small country with only 10 million population, but looks like their approach really worked in the long term? I wonder when the big countries will start acknowledging (and following as appropriate) the brilliant and commendable efforts by the small country where also the Nobel Prizes (except for the Nobel Peace Prize) comes from.

Sweden testing is much lower than other countries of similar size and if you want to compare Sweden death rates with countries of similar size, here you go: Sweden: 585 deaths /1 M people; Czech Rep:133/1 M people; Switzerland: 245/1 M people; Austria: 99/1 M people; Serbia: 89/1 M people; Greece: 49/1 M. You cannot compare with Belgium, because they only look at excess deaths (all cause mortality). Still think Sweden is in a good place?

[ExpatLover]

EL: Always the same story, when the reality doesn't match your expectations the reality doesn't exist, I repeat it again I don t listen to politics, influencers. I try to get as many diverse sources of information, try to make my own opinion and after I act. I still believe it is useful for me and all the others to restrict to the maximum all social activities including mongering which is not vital to live, unless you are addicted and they are would rather advice you to visit a psychiatric to help you than any prostitute. Yes it is very seldom than young and healthy people die but it exists, and I can tell you that even some young people need some time to fully recover from covid.

[Paulie97]

"Der Altersmedian der Sterbeflle lag bei 82 Jahren. " Average age for Covid19 deaths was 82 years old!

I present hard data from three big rich industrialised countries, but you come with one unverified story from Turkey.

The mean age for deaths is much lower than that in the USA, according to the Center for Disease Control (CDC). And of course there's more at stake with Covid than life and death, but also protracted and at times debilitating health problems. You can talk about car accidents though such doesn't involve contagious diseases. You can talk about "the flu" even though in the USA Covid has already killed almost eight times as many people as a normal flu season. Your arguments are only fit for dumb morons at Trump rallies, which sadly make up about 40% of the US population, so very embarrassing for my country.

But yea there's going to be a lot of social distancing and masks for another six months or so until a vaccine is widely available. So you likely won't be able to congregate in FKKs, but you can still see hookers, the ones willing to take chances. 6 more months. Why not man up and accept it? Or are you going to cry yourself to sleep every night for 6 months?

[Pistons]

For all the Covid1984 scared people on this forum, here's a guy with some great tips on how to stay safe during 2020:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEc0wy_mEA8

Warning, do not click on the above link if you're easily triggered or "hurt" by some humour and sarcasm.

Don't click this video off guys. It gets better and better throughout. I started laughing at the lightning part.

[Pessimist]

All true, except for no mention of Sweden where even though cases are going up, daily death rates keep staying same at below 2 for last couple of months. Agreed it's a small country with only 10 million population, but looks like their approach really worked in the long term? I wonder when the big countries will start acknowledging (and following as appropriate) the brilliant and commendable efforts by the small country where also the Nobel Prizes (except for the Nobel Peace Prize) comes from.

Well, I am not debating what they *should do*. I was asking will the clubs shut again due to the rising loads. There is already a healthy debate going on with regards to the former, so I will let that continue w / o my involvement for now.

Although, I don't get your reference to Sweden and origination of Nobels in this context (unless you included that snippet for rhetorical flourish). Because Nobels come from Sweden does not make that country more advanced in science and scientific thinking, not anymore than Olympics having originated in Greece make Greece the most gifted country in worldwide sports. Sweden may or may not have advanced science but that has no relation to Nobel academy being physically located there. If for some reason, the Nobel academy decides to change their office to London or NYC (I am not expecting it however), it will not have much impact on the development and influence of science on the Swedish society either.

[Paulie97]

All true, except for no mention of Sweden where even though cases are going up, daily death rates keep staying same at below 2 for last couple of months. Agreed it's a small country with only 10 million population, but looks like their approach really worked in the long term? I wonder when the big countries will start acknowledging (and following as appropriate) the brilliant and commendable efforts by the small country where also the Nobel Prizes (except for the Nobel Peace Prize) comes from.

All Sweden did was sacrifice the lives of 5000+ of their citizens, with 11 times the per capita death rate of it's neighbor Norway. That's a lot of needless carnage chasing herd immunity, a strategy virtually every contagious disease specialist opposes. As to the present, medical communities have improved at treating Covid, plus more vulnerable populations are doing more to protect themselves. We need to wait on the vaccines, will not be much longer. In the meantime you and Hammer Time can jack off or find independent sex workers that are willing to take chances.

P.S. There's more on the table with this than death rates, as protracted health complications are common. Google is your friend, or if you like check my last post. I provided links.

[Gino02]

I realize DonTrump and HammerHammer want to reopen everything like yesterday and that we should all hig and blow into each other's mouth, but it seems Europe is going in the other direction. See the snippet from FT below. I wonder how long will they keep these clubs open? I guess the ones like Mr PFI that made the most of the few weeks of open clubs are the smart and lucky ones.

https://www.ft.com/content/700355e2-...e-ddc9f6ea9cb0

""Europe's economy is sliding towards a double-dip recession, with economists warning that rising coronavirus infections and fresh government restrictions on people's movement are likely to cut short the region's recent recovery.

Germany, France, the UK, Italy, Spain and the Netherlands have all announced measures in the past week to contain the second wave of Covid-19 infections, with more expected in the coming days.

On Sunday, Belgium announced the closure of all bars and cafs for four weeks, while Switzerland widened its mandate for mask-wearing. France put into effect a night curfew in Paris and other cities from Saturday.

The measures follow a sharp rise in case numbers, with a number of European countries reporting record new daily infection figures over the weekend..

All true, except for no mention of Sweden where even though cases are going up, daily death rates keep staying same at below 2 for last couple of months. Agreed it's a small country with only 10 million population, but looks like their approach really worked in the long term? I wonder when the big countries will start acknowledging (and following as appropriate) the brilliant and commendable efforts by the small country where also the Nobel Prizes (except for the Nobel Peace Prize) comes from.