Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus!

[Pistons]

The hope is that the virus becomes weaker and, even if it remains in the population like many other coronaviruses, it would just cause mild symptoms. This is what happened with the Spanish flu at the beginning of 1900. We still get Spanish flu, but now the virus only causes mild flu-symptoms and very few people die from it.

I have heard this argument so many times, but I wonder if you are really considering the following:

- There are already probably thousands of mutations of the virus. On the Faroe Islands alone, a tiny island, there were 40 different mutations among a small sample base!

- The chances foe the FURIN cleavage and the ACE2 receptor to mutate away is still extremely small. So the transmittance rate will still stay at the same rate.

- Even if half the mutations mutates away, the remaining half does not mutate away. So you will still have the original virus at some places.

- Some mutations may be even deadlier than what we have had now. Covid-19 is far from the deadliest version seen of corona viruses when looking at history. It just spreads alot more efficient among humans! (Read the modified FURIN cleavage and Ace2 receptor added in a lab).

[Rocky V]

I have watched many interviews with epidemiologists and various experts and based on that trying to avoid CV19 is futile; it will be around for many years and may resurge in 3, 5, 10 or 100 years, like most viruses. Key points: (I) CV19 likely to be around for at least 3 years this time, (ii) mortality rate around 0. 3% and 90% of deaths are 70+ yrs, (iii) large parts of the population is not susceptible to CV19 based on possible earlier Corona virus or simply strong immune system, (iv) heard immunity likely to be at 20-30% due to p. (iii) above, (v) the older you are the more difficult symptoms, and (vi) although vaccin may come next year there may be risks of side effects (like for the 2009 vaccin). As a result it is likely better for most people to contract CV19 now than later in life.

The hope is that the virus becomes weaker and, even if it remains in the population like many other coronaviruses, it would just cause mild symptoms. This is what happened with the Spanish flu at the beginning of 1900. We still get Spanish flu, but now the virus only causes mild flu-symptoms and very few people die from it.

[Chongmal]

I really don't understand US with many southern states under virus, but no confined, and even many quite young infected. For the record for death. Worrying from Europe, where even French could be confined.

Just like American politics, it's not your problem to worry about. You are in Europe, going to prostitute princesses. We are locked out so we won't be infecting your favorite prostitutes so no worry. I am curious how intimate physical contact with a stranger who is sharing bodily fluids with other people is considered confined, unless said intimate contact is happening in a Swiss prison.

We are closing in on 1% infected. Depending on the study, this means in another 19-89% we will reach heard immunity. A few weeks ago the Swedish government was being praised for their free range approach to managing the infection. So, as long as you are there, watch for loose rocks and water in the corners when descending on your bike, watch for bottomless crevices while you free ride, keep an eye on the Coyote so you don't get tickets in Switzerland and keep a close watch for prostitutes with runny noses.

[Polyamorist]

I have watched many interviews with epidemiologists and various experts and based on that trying to avoid CV19 is futile; it will be around for many years and may resurge in 3, 5, 10 or 100 years, like most viruses. Key points: (I) CV19 likely to be around for at least 3 years this time, (ii) mortality rate around 0. 3% and 90% of deaths are 70+ yrs, (iii) large parts of the population is not susceptible to CV19 based on possible earlier Corona virus or simply strong immune system, (iv) heard immunity likely to be at 20-30% due to p. (iii) above, (v) the older you are the more difficult symptoms, and (vi) although vaccin may come next year there may be risks of side effects (like for the 2009 vaccin). As a result it is likely better for most people to contract CV19 now than later in life.

Salaam Oregon97. Good points. Sounds like it is healthier to be out in the wild having lots of sex than huddling in the cellar with your mask and gloves on. You only live once, might as well make the most of it.

[Clodius1]

American Airlines announcing today that they will begin stuffing passengers into the middle seats again until the planes burst with capacity. And you wonder why the EU wants to keep Americans the hell out? I won't be flying to EU or anywhere else unless they have a vaccine or effective therapeutic. Thanks China.

[McAdonis]

Based on an Italian town where they tested most of the inhabitants, they found that among the positive cases, 40 percent were asymptomatic: https://globalbiodefense.com/2020/06...ovid-19-cases/.

Asymptomatic people seem to lose their antibodies much faster:

"The results, while preliminary, suggest that survivors of SARS-CoV-2 infection may be susceptible to reinfection within weeks or months."

"These reports highlight the need to develop strong vaccines, because immunity that develops naturally during infection is suboptimal and short-lived in most people, Akiko Iwasaki, a viral immunologist at Yale University who was not involved in either study, tells The New York Times. We cannot rely on natural infection to achieve herd immunity.

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/studies-report-rapid-loss-of-covid-19-antibodies-67650

If I understood above article correctly, asymptomatic people can get re-infected a few weeks later. My question is, if one is asymptomatic the first time, does that ensure that one will also be asymptomatic the second or third time? If the answer is yes, then such a person can go to FKK clubs with zero detriment to their own health. But this person could be a potential super spreader, and a portion of the people that they do infect may not have the fortune of being asymptomatic. So mongers need to decide, what their own conscience will allow.

We are still in the early stages, so I am not sure if death rates alone tell the full story. From a quality of life perspective, we do not know the long term outcomes for "survivors". Many people never develop symptoms. Many people experience nothing worse than a normal flu. But I believe there are reports of people who contracted the virus back in March, and while technically they "beat the virus" (meaning they are still alive), they still continue to have difficulties breathing three months later.

TBH, I will probably choose to not take an overly cautious approach, but I wouldn't criticize those that have lower risk tolerance. A few mongers who live in France, Germany, and Benelux told me they will either continue to abstain from WGs or just see WGs privately in hotels, believing the clubs to be petri dishes. Another monger friend is not concerned about health risks, but he is concerned that the LU will be at half strength and that some WGs may upsell for DFK, so he will wait for the first batch of reports to flow in before committing to a visit. If we all rush back right away, it might embolden those WGs with upselling tendencies.

[Oregon97]

I have watched many interviews with epidemiologists and various experts and based on that trying to avoid CV19 is futile; it will be around for many years and may resurge in 3, 5, 10 or 100 years, like most viruses. Key points: (I) CV19 likely to be around for at least 3 years this time, (ii) mortality rate around 0. 3% and 90% of deaths are 70+ yrs, (iii) large parts of the population is not susceptible to CV19 based on possible earlier Corona virus or simply strong immune system, (iv) heard immunity likely to be at 20-30% due to p. (iii) above, (v) the older you are the more difficult symptoms, and (vi) although vaccin may come next year there may be risks of side effects (like for the 2009 vaccin). As a result it is likely better for most people to contract CV19 now than later in life.

[Pistons]

What the FKK junkies do not understand is that due to their addiction it is very likely that in Germany they will be able to definitively close several FKK because once there are several infections maybe few politicians will not hesitate a minute to repeal the law that makes prostitution legal. Wait a few months until everything is a little more normal related to this pandemic. It is better to think with the head that we have above during these times.

Do you really believe this is over in a few months?

If so, think again! We will be in this corona situation for 2-3 years. So we will just have to live with it. On and off lockdowns wherever.

I just hope they restrict air travels to a wider number of countries where they slack at monitoring and testing people. Testing should be everyone's number 1 priority. And making it globally transparent. Not like in China for example where a study recently found that 1.3 million people in Hubei province alone had been infected, and then the government keeps lying about it. And then maybe 100 other regimes around the world are following in China's footsteps.

So when we have all these fascist ego governments who likes to show the world how much greater they are at handling it than the rest, that is when we get resurgence of the pandemic. Unfortunately there are too many, and that is why we will not get rid of this ever unless something changes, and ego's goes away. But lets say in 2 years, all the fascists come to their senses.

[TeaInTheSun]

Just now 300 people who visited a night club in Zurich the 21 of June where ask to quarantine at home due to 1 positive case detected, I still believe it is not the good time to visit prostitutes or FKK, the risk is high to catch something just because their customers are probably the less careful guys not able to control their libido or they will not go.

What the FKK junkies do not understand is that due to their addiction it is very likely that in Germany they will be able to definitively close several FKK because once there are several infections maybe few politicians will not hesitate a minute to repeal the law that makes prostitution legal. Wait a few months until everything is a little more normal related to this pandemic. It is better to think with the head that we have above during these times.

[ExpatLover]

Just now 300 people who visited a night club in Zurich the 21 of June where ask to quarantine at home due to 1 positive case detected, I still believe it is not the good time to visit prostitutes or FKK, the risk is high to catch something just because their customers are probably the less careful guys not able to control their libido or they will not go.

[FlurkMan]

That's your call of course. Just remember that 500 cases amongst a population of 83,000,000 is pretty tiny.

500 as compared to 83,000,000?

Sounds like winning a 10,000,000 $ lottery.

[Sirioja]

I really don't understand US with many southern states under virus, but no confined, and even many quite young infected. For the record for death. Worrying from Europe, where even French could be confined.

[McAdonis]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/23/w...gtype=Homepage

Reaching a bit, but I could see two potential glimmers of hope in that article:

"European officials said the list would be revised every two weeks to reflect new realities around the world as nations see the virus ebb and flow."

Although I cannot imagine buying intercontinental tickets in summer with two weeks lead time would be cheap.

"The E.U. cant force members to adopt it, but European officials warn that failure of any of the 27 members to stick to it could lead to the reintroduction of borders within the bloc."

See my post in General. Of the major economies, Spain is one of the most dependent on tourism. If I interpret the above snippet correctly, there is an off-chance that Spain could permit American inbound tourists. But that would effectively mean that the other 26 member countries would close their borders to Spain. In that scenario, an American monger could find himself stuck in Spain, where brothels are currently reported to be running at lower capacity. If German clubs remain closed, perhaps Spain receives some displaced ex-FKK WGs as refugees.

[MaxSquatter]

That's your call of course. Just remember that 500 cases amongst a population of 83,000,000 is pretty tiny.

Graph shows 500+ cases average last 3 days. What happens if I fly to Germany and become one of the 500? Until there is a working vaccine it not worth the risk!

[Tp273]

This whole thing is so hyped up. Daily deaths are crashing all over. In Germany deaths and even new cases have been crashing since May. So overblown.

https://www.google.com/search?ei=uk_yXpPgFKq-gge47bvoBQ&q=covid+19+germany+cases&oq=covid+19+germany+cases&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzICCAAyAggAOgQIABBHUKc9WIZKYLZNaABwAngAgAFbiAGBA5IBATWYAQCgAQGgAQKqAQdnd3Mtd2l6&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwiTpbSIzpjqAhUqn-AKHbj2Dl0Q4dUDCAw&uact=5

Graph shows 500+ cases average last 3 days. What happens if I fly to Germany and become one of the 500? Until there is a working vaccine it not worth the risk!