Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus!

[Pistons]

I am an impartial observer in the vaccine debate. However, I have become aware of the strong criticism and vitriol that have been directed at anti-vaxxers. It seems that pro-vaxxers are very emotional about saving anti-vaxxers lives. Pro-vaxxers are very altruistic.

Indeed. While anti-vaxxers just want provaxxers instantly dead due to the idea that the world is better off without people not thinking for themselves.

The thing is that all studies show humans think alike in similar discussions regarding life and survivability. So I don't buy it. I think provaxxers just want anti-vaxxers to get vaccine damaged for life.

Look, life finds a way. Either all the people without natural immunization to a virus get extinct. Or all the people who does not get vaccine damage due to a vaccine die out.

I choose nature.

[Chongmal]

Sarcasm noted. Vitriol comes from the fact that they spread beliefs that are unfounded by sound science. I'm uneasy about the idea of mandatory vaccinations, mandatory anything for that matter, but understand that it is for the common good. I can understand if someone makes the "personal freedom" argument.

I just read that the UK is to become the first country to admittedly purposefully infect volunteers to test the effectiveness of vaccines. I would volunteer if they promised travel free restriction and Sauna Club fun time afterwards, given I survived the tests.

[Pistons]

Tell it to the World Health Organization.

https://www.who.int/csr/don/06-may-2...asles-euro/en/#text=As%20 of%2028%20 March%202019,and%2013%20 deaths%20 in%202016.

But then again, it seems that you always have privileged information not accessible to the rest of us peasants. Super mega eye roll emoji.

World Hoax Organization.

It should be a stated fact now with the covid crisis that this organization is filled with corruption.

[Pessimist]

So while a ton of ink has been spilled discussing and fighting over the Swedish model, the worst performer appears to be UK. Per OECD forecast in today's FT, UK is looking at real GDP of -10% while Euro area is going to beat nearly -8%, USA -4%. On Covid deaths, UK is at 41.9 K total deaths, some 6 K higher than next in EU (Italy); even on per population basis, UK and USA are in the worst 10 in the world (620 to 630 deaths per million population), Spain is at 660, and only Belgium is at a higher level in EU and among developed countries (860). Sweden is at 580.

And with UK facing the prospect of Brexit with no deal by year end, things don't look too bright on the other side of the pond for our British cousins. At least you have a short flight to FKKs, so that is something I guess.

[Nooky Ninja]

Ninja, Just to help you to find your way back in your turtle tank.Demonstrations every weekend against the criminal organisations, called governments.

PdP. Don't need help, thanks. Appreciate ExPat comments. Shoobree - did not realize that going to Artemis is really living life, but good to know. Ninja try one time more only to offer reasons why this not political freedom issue.

German testing been good for many many months so argument that uptick in numbers "due to testing" not true. Numbers up everywhere in EU. Yes for moment mostly young people, and treatment getting better so death rates holding. In certain cities already ITC / ICU beds under stress. Young people also meet older people, and in any case there are lags after spikes. Look at USA, Spain, French, Swiss, UK data last 3 weeks. And we just now begin cold weather. Plus people now going to FKK on both sides know risks are much higher than normal. It means both mongers and girls are by nature higher risk takers, which makes situation even riskier. Berlin Senate meets next Tues to debate whether tightening needed. Bars, restaurants, and no doubt bordellos will be discussed.

Just wanted to inject realism into "whoopy, back to fucking" reports. Pandemic is different; not just you make your choice for yourself and then you alone reap consequences. Choice is individual; consequence is social. And of course when shit hits fan, everyone expects "criminal" governments to step up and pick up pieces and inject massive bailouts to protect jobs and health system and fund vaccine development.

Ninja really miss the good old days. Many great times at A. Many friends there. Just now is not the time. Maybe with proven vaccine, next summer. If if if.

Ninja have doctor friends (even some who enjoy P4P) - all say this is very reckless. So Ninja suggest before you all queue up, ask your personal doctor if it is a good idea to go Artemis, explain how it will work. Since you are convinced you can manage the risks, you will not be afraid to ask this simple question to your own doctor, in private. Last words on subject.

[Mursenary]

And that my friend is fake news!

Tell it to the World Health Organization.

https://www.who.int/csr/don/06-may-2...asles-euro/en/#text=As%20 of%2028%20 March%202019,and%2013%20 deaths%20 in%202016.

But then again, it seems that you always have privileged information not accessible to the rest of us peasants. Super mega eye roll emoji.

[Samplerr]

I am an impartial observer in the vaccine debate.

Unless you live on a desert island, how can you not have a dog in this fight?

[Mursenary]

I am an impartial observer in the vaccine debate. However, I have become aware of the strong criticism and vitriol that have been directed at anti-vaxxers. It seems that pro-vaxxers are very emotional about saving anti-vaxxers lives. Pro-vaxxers are very altruistic.

Sarcasm noted. Vitriol comes from the fact that they spread beliefs that are unfounded by sound science. I'm uneasy about the idea of mandatory vaccinations, mandatory anything for that matter, but understand that it is for the common good. I can understand if someone makes the "personal freedom" argument, but ones based on bullshit science is irritating, harmful, and perpetuate more ignorance and misinformation in the world.

It's not as if it is victimless behavior. While most vaccinated people remain protected, vaccines have minimum age requirements because a child's immune system is not properly developed until a certain age or they might require a series of vaccinations before immunization is achieved, leaving them susceptible until the final shot. Immunocompromised adults such as cancer patients and some senior citizens who cannot take vaccines are also at risk from these unvaccinated "Ebola monkeys" and their unvaccinated offspring.

Lastly, these people's actions keep the disease from being eradicated, forcing the rest of us to keep getting immunized. We no longer take the smallpox vaccine because it has been eradicated by vaccination. The polio vaccine is on it's way out the door and only exist in a handful of countries. Measles was on it's way out too, potentially eliminating one more infectious disease, until these 21st century antivaxxers derailed the course of good public health.

[PumDiPum]

Whether? End of May, Berlin had 10 ish new confirmed cases per day. Now near 200 almost every day this week. This is classic tragedy of commons problem; individual gain hurts larger group overall. As one of only FKKs open, men coming from all over. More and more research shows airborne transmission key, and particles can remain airborn between 30-120 min. Uncertain but key part of new research as very important. Air flow in rooms, showers, even main room by bar not sufficient exchange. Asymptomatic guests, girls, etc. Sorry but this is receipe for spread and disaster. You see everywhere in Spain, France, Switzerland, US (Texas, Florida, California) what happens when people just stop serious thinking. Only matter of time before this bites us hard. Please use big head brain, not little loveworm brain. Not easy being adult sometimes.

Ninja,

Just to help you to find your way back in your turtle tank.

Nowadays they are testing way much more than in may. Only about 1% of all tests are positive, like in may. So no increase here. Positive also doesn't mean sick. The number of people in hospitals is today way much lower than it was in may. Berlin has over 3 million citizens, 200, even 10.000 daily positive PCR tests would be nothing in relation to the number of people. The PCR test isn't 100% accurate, I told about. You find with it also old, dead, inactive virus rests. We have 4 different Coronavirus, the PCR test can't differ. It is also not possible to meet anyone of these official positive tested persons, because their are isolated, "healthcare" authorities are watching over that nobody leaves quarantine. Healthy people with a positive PCR test are locked up! They still forcing people (even children) to get tested and for what? The thing with the brain and the thinking is not that difficult. But brain needs fresh air, better to take off masks.

Who is making big money right now?

"Individual gain hurts larger group overall."

What? Seriously, What? You consuming too much quality media. The majority is suffering from many many "little" restrictions on basic rights because a minority is scared (has to be scared after following traditional media) of getting maybe sick.

Everybody should ask himself, if you're "positive" without symptoms, how many high infectious virus you're spreading around compared to someone who is "positive" with heavy symptoms like high temperature and coughing the soul out all day long.

Protect the high risk group as good as possible (if they want) and take away all the restrictions on basic rights of the people. Now!

Otherwise you see what happens in Spain, Canada, France, Austria, Swiss all over the world. Demonstrations every weekend against the criminal organisations, called governments.

[Turgid]

I am an impartial observer in the vaccine debate. However, I have become aware of the strong criticism and vitriol that have been directed at anti-vaxxers. It seems that pro-vaxxers are very emotional about saving anti-vaxxers lives. Pro-vaxxers are very altruistic.

[The Cane]

Whats your secret to a long healthy life besides $50 pussy? You're telling me you've never taken a single vaccine in your life? Thats some BS right there. I don't plan on taking the vaccine for a few years not interested in being a Guinea pig and I also have the means / choice not to take it. But there are folks in a position that they possibly can't say no example health care workers or students if their school makes them take it.

I will wait at least one year before I even think about taking a COVID-19 vaccine once one becomes generally available. I don't think that will happen in the United States until next spring (late) or summer. If that means I won't be able to travel internationally, then so be it. The year 2020 has been a wash, but that's OK for me since I didn't plan to travel overseas for a change anyway in 2020. I'm prepared to take 2021 off too. No matter. I'll just keep building up a war chest of "funding". Then when the time comes, I'll be back on it! But, I need to take a "wait and see" approach on these vaccines they're rushing to market. When I'm convinced one is safe, then I will take it. Let somebody else be the "lab mice".

[Member #4733]

I have avoided all vaccines as long as I have had the option to do so. Meaning from when I was old enough to see through the lies. Even when I was 11 I tried to skip measles vaccine at school. Only to be drugged down and injected the vaccine 2 weeks later with me strapped to the chair Very draconic measures indeed. And just shows what a total control the devil has on this world.

I have wondered at several of your contributions in the past. It seemed so different from my own experience. Now I got a clue why that is so. Thanks so much for this info.

[Pistons]

Hilarious that after submitting the post above, but before he could see it, this gets posted:

And that people, is why non-science people should never be allowed anywhere near rooms where adults are making policy decisions regarding health and science. This arrogant nutcase's line of thinking is the reason why measles, a nearly eradicated disease in the western world, has made a raging comeback. 20 fold increase in 4 years thanks to antivaxxers who make decisions based on hearsay, half truths, selfishness, and perceived self interest. Thank god his parents had enough sense to strap the devil child down.

https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/e...nd-in-2018-19/

And that my friend is fake news!

[Mursenary]

In 2016, the entire EU had 5000 cases of measles. Correlating with the anti-vax agenda and the reducing rates of immunizations, Europe climbed to over 100,000 cases in 2019!

Hilarious that after submitting the post above, but before he could see it, this gets posted:

50 $? Hah! Good luck in that! Try euro.

Aside from your glaringly brainwashed US centric views on the world, I have avoided all vaccines as long as I have had the option to do so. Meaning from when I was old enough to see through the lies. Even when I was 11 I tried to skip measles vaccine at school. Only to be drugged down and injected the vaccine 2 weeks later with me strapped to the chair. Very draconic measures indeed. And just shows what a total control the devil has on this world.

And that people, is why non-science people should never be allowed anywhere near rooms where adults are making policy decisions regarding health and science. This arrogant nutcase's line of thinking is the reason why measles, a nearly eradicated disease in the western world, has made a raging comeback. 20 fold increase in 4 years thanks to antivaxxers who make decisions based on hearsay, half truths, selfishness, and perceived self interest. Thank god his parents had enough sense to strap the devil child down.

In European region, there were about 5,000 cases of measles in 2016,24,000 in 2017 and 84,000 in 2018. According to recent WHO data, there have already been 90,000 measles cases in the first six months of this year. And the US is experiencing its biggest measles outbreak for 27 years.

All this raises the question: why do so many people believe unproven theories over the informed advice of medical doctors and public health authorities?

The internet plays a role. The aforementioned survey by the Royal Society for Public Health showed that half of the parents of children under five in the UK are often or sometimes exposed to negative messages about vaccines on social media and online forums.

Interestingly, a study published last year revealed that the same Russian trolls and bots that interfered in the US presidential elections on behalf of Donald Trump spread disinformation about vaccines. This suggests that the Russian state is using the topic of vaccine safety to spread discord in the West.

https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/e...nd-in-2018-19/

[Pistons]

Yes, even at age 11 I was smart enough to know how completely stupid a vaccine was. I had just had one of these other diseases for two weeks and was immune for life. Then a brainwashed nurse came at me with a vial full of poison telling me that if the vial broke, the entire room had to be decontaminated. What sort of brainiac wants that stuff in their veins?