Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus!

[Pistons]

Hey, I remember Takedown. He had some controversial posts. Had some interaction with him concerning FKK activities. Perhaps he'll return when FKKs reopen.

Well, he is a would be doctor nurse and believes in everything fed through main stream channels. So as long as us working with communication wants people to be scared of covid-19, he'll stick around in the sex prison known as USA.

[Pistons]

So more conspiracy theory slop thrown against the wall. Keep my name off of this board's high school drama.

Not when you were the one starting the whole multiple nick drama in the first place. Then it is on topic.

[BigBuddy69]

I remember Evita at Sharks looking asking me about the a strange nordic guy that kept following me around. She asked, "why is he so strange. He looks like Frankenstein."

I met a guy like that in LR but he was more like a leprechaun or a kobold.

[Smoke Light]

You and Phallus are the ones who do the misleading posts, in my opinion.

A website of an independent escort who has reviews is simply not a trap by the police.

You take Backpage sting operations and invalidly extrapolate that to situations that are not synonymous to fool those who don't educate themselves as to how the system works.

I would never advise someone to book an inexpensive session through a mass advertising site. They do risk arrest that way.

One of the reasons the USA Scene is expensive is that to be left alone by law enforcement, the lady needs to screen and to incur overhead costs of having things like a website and other escort contacts.

And I dont understand the mistrust and negativity toward Seeking Arrangement ladies, especially given the favorable reviews in other threads. You are sitting across from a lady sharing a meal and ultimately discussing sex for money. How is the American SA lady so much more conniving than the Romanian sex worker prowling the FKK? Is it really something more than the price?

Absolutely nothing personal. I admit, I write this because I am frustrated. Married and working 100% from home just like Pessimist describes.

But it looks like you defending points without evidence. Let's just say commercial sex for a serial monger is pretty miserable in the US. And, by the way, why US is not on the ISG forum list? And why North Korea isn't on that list, either? Hmmm.

I am ready for "safe and expensive" US websites with escort contacts. Somebody, anybody, send them to me. Please do. You can PM me. So far the only advise I am getting is SA, which is quite useless. I am not going to deal with prostitutes who think they are not prostitutes.

[BrahmaPoutre]

That's the kind of reaction that immediately comes to most people mind. No sane, objective, and reasonable person would argue with your logic. Very well stated!

I would have said narrow minded people.

[ExpatLover]

If the immigrant is unhappy in France, why not just move to where he is happy? Or go back to his origin country where his religion is not mocked by others? You can't move to a new country and expect them to change their own culture or religion to your liking. France was way too tolerant with immigrants for too long, and this is exactly what happens when you lose control of your own country for too long. Cutting other people's head off is brutal terrorism and should never be condoned. Never. Never ever. Period.

Just because they make their living in France, social benefits are the highest in the world, beginning of the months when the French government pays the social benefits so many bank transfers are taking place to Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia and a lot of other African countries. Of course no migrant is targeting Poland, or Hungary, or Romania they know they will get 0 social benefits. It is a industry. I left France several years back and I will never come back.

[Pessimist]

We have needs. Restrictions, foreign and domestic, travel bans, bar closures, hotel and FKK shutdowns, all those essentials to our monger travel is an awful bitterness and irritation. The longer restrictions last, the stronger will be the resentment.

But how can you suggest that a commercial sex in the US is a free market? P6 is illegal in the US. That's a major force driving the prices up. For europeans, there are a lot more legal P6 options compared to the US. Your post is misleading. Independent escort websites are banned in the US. They can easily be police traps. If you wish to risk your reputation, sure. Sorry, my whole career is ruined if I get caught. So which independent escort websites you are talking about, specifically?

And Pahllus is right: Seeking Arrangement is a completely time wasteful, endless cat and mouse game that american women love the most. Degenerate code words and anyone's guesses what they mean in which context. This is not a P6, it's a resentment.

Arrest is nothing. You get to see a judge the next day, or a Monday, if you had to spend a weekend at the police station. Not to worry, you sleep on a "bed" without a mattress and they bring you a Big Mac or a cheeseburger from the local McDonalds. You pay your fine and you go home, but your arrest record, your charges, your real name become public. Your employer and your family will be glad to find out delicious details. Oh, freedom, such a simple word to casually toss around. US is a police state.

Critical assessment of one's country is not unpatriotic. Emigration and immigration are not unpatriotic or patriotic, either. It's an open-minded and basic human right to move to another part of the world. I understand what Pahllus writes. My bewilderment is what freedom you are talking about.

"Seeking Arrangement is a completely time wasteful, endless cat and mouse game that American women love the most".

You tried it? How long did you spend on the site, how many women have you met? Care to share any experiences? I have been on that site for 4+ years, nearing 5. My experiences have been very positive. I have written about them in both German threads and also in the dedicated SA thread on ISG. Many others contribute in the SA thread, and what you said above is not a sentiment shared by those. I pay $80 a month voluntarily to be on the site because it provides something of value; no one put a gun to me to stay on.

Isn't the point to accept the situation, accept that you are not going to change the world and make everyone see your point of view, but adapt to the surroundings and make use of the resource (which SA is. To me and many others), rather than condemn it? Granted, SA may not work for everyone. But that means there is mismatch between your needs and the resource. Find another resource that suits you instead of condemning the entire society and country.

"Arrest is nothing. . Your employer and your family will be glad to find out delicious details. Oh, freedom, such a simple word to casually toss around. US is a police state."

I assume these are things you imagine would happen, and did not actually happen to you. Or did they?

You know someone personally that went through the above? If not first hand info, please tell me what you wrote above is at least 2nd hand info.

I don't see that M88 has praised America as a paradise. He is saying US has pluses and minuses. He is a pragmatic man, he knows he will not change this world but is making the best life for himself as he sees fit (I guess; I don't know him personally, I never exchanged any PMs with him).

This is a country that provides a high standard of living to many. The P6 you speak of: you are able to afford the money because you are making it here. You could be based in Spain, prostitution is legal, but you might make much less money to actually enjoy it.

To claim US is a police state because your mongering activities are curtailed is absurd. Last I checked, mongering is not a fundamental right enshrined in first amendment.

I Googled and prostitution is legal in Colombia, Equador, many others. Hardly anyone thinks drug infested LatAm countries like those are beacons of liberty and US is a police state. And would you be better off being born in those countries as opposed to here, being located there now?

There are many genuinely oppressive police states; to trivialize them by calling US a police state is an extreme.

[SinglePro]

If the immigrant is unhappy in France, why not just move to where he is happy? Or go back to his origin country where his religion is not mocked by others? You can't move to a new country and expect them to change their own culture or religion to your liking. France was way too tolerant with immigrants for too long, and this is exactly what happens when you lose control of your own country for too long. Cutting other people's head off is brutal terrorism and should never be condoned. Never. Never ever. Period.

That's the kind of reaction that immediately comes to most sane peoples' minds. No fair-minded, objective, and reasonable person would argue with your logic. Very well stated! Sadly, there are many sell out, psychotic, self loathing, and traitorous individuals who would argue otherwise.

[ExpatLover]

Not respecting Coran, are so sure about it? May be you know " égorgés les tous" , do you know what is Ummah? Your vision of France is completely out of the reality, how many places in France you can't visit? The migrants just come to France for the social benefits, they have 0 interest to find job or to integrate. Every year 600000 migrants mostly Muslim enter France, and 200000 French people mostly educated and belonging to the middle or high class quit France. Land of freedom, when girls with short dress can t take the subway or the bus after 10 PM, land of freedom when in Saint Denis you can t sell pork or alcohol, please open your eyes before you are completely ridiculous.

[Pessimist]

You speak of it so lightly, trivializing hate speech. Billions of muslims in the world and most don't even have anything to do with state affairs. How many are peacefully and assimilating in western nations? Hundreds of millions.

Rounding up might not happen but that sort of rhetoric gets repeated and seeps into the minds of people. End result, the majority of everyday muslims who have no violent desires have to deal with the end result of the hate speech you're putting out there. Guys like Dylan Roof become emboldened by speech like yours and end up shooting up an entire church. I'm sure you scoff when black people put the "oppressor" tag on all white people, but here you're doing the same but worse. Labeling an entire group of people as Barbarians and calling for rounding up innocent people. You mock Trump, but you're calling for something worse than anything he's ever proposed, unapologetic and doubling down. Shameful.

Oh please, get off your high horse! It seems to me that you have been smarting from a prior debate which you aborted because you had no clue to respond, claimed you were offended by a remark I made about you and McAdonis, and now trying to take potshots at me on the slightest pretext for the supposed slight you suffered then.

It is rich that I am getting called a bleeding liberal by Shoe Swede and Gino and a hate monger and as being worse than Trump by you. If I am getting pelted with stones from left and right, I must be in the middle.

The behavior of millions of Moslems in France and all over the middle East, that of Erdogan and bin Salmon and other Sheikhs over there was nothing short of disgraceful. The boycott of French products at a time like this and which is joined in practice by millions of Moslem shoppers shows that the rank and file Moslem indeed sympathizes with the beheaders and throat slitters. Such people deserve nothing more a absolute condemnation and worse. And their absolute silence about China's concentration camps for Uighurs shows also the vile hypocrisy in their hearts.

I hope you are a bit less pompous in your real life. You would be insufferable if you are actually like you presented yourself above.

[Mongerer88]

We have needs. Restrictions, foreign and domestic, travel bans, bar closures, hotel and FKK shutdowns, all those essentials to our monger travel is an awful bitterness and irritation. The longer restrictions last, the stronger will be the resentment.

But how can you suggest that a commercial sex in the US is a free market? P6 is illegal in the US. That's a major force driving the prices up. For europeans, there are a lot more legal P6 options compared to the US. Your post is misleading. Independent escort websites are banned in the US. They can easily be police traps. If you wish to risk your reputation, sure. Sorry, my whole career is ruined if I get caught. So which independent escort websites you are talking about, specifically?

And Pahllus is right: Seeking Arrangement is a completely time wasteful, endless cat and mouse game that american women love the most. Degenerate code words and anyone's guesses what they mean in which context. This is not a P6, it's a resentment..

You and Phallus are the ones who do the misleading posts, in my opinion.

A website of an independent escort who has reviews is simply not a trap by the police.

You take Backpage sting operations and invalidly extrapolate that to situations that are not synonymous to fool those who don't educate themselves as to how the system works.

I would never advise someone to book an inexpensive session through a mass advertising site. They do risk arrest that way.

One of the reasons the USA Scene is expensive is that to be left alone by law enforcement, the lady needs to screen and to incur overhead costs of having things like a website and other escort contacts.

And I don’t understand the mistrust and negativity toward Seeking Arrangement ladies, especially given the favorable reviews in other threads. You are sitting across from a lady sharing a meal and ultimately discussing sex for money. How is the American SA lady so much more conniving than the Romanian sex worker prowling the FKK? Is it really something more than the price?

[Sirioja]

Pessimist: Mursenary is Takedown along with several other more or less used accounts, including the one who sent out those PM's and who accused random people of multiple nicks a few months back.

He is however not McAdonis. McAdonis does not use multiple nicks.

And also escape artist? Some guys use several profiles, fakers for me, when only one me.

[Mursenary]

The most pathetic guys during this pathetic are the younger ones who have only felt a female's touch with hookers. Imagine being 35-40 years old and haven't even been on a date in 10 years, if ever. They never actually ever had to earn the opposite sex's admiration either by physical attractiveness or ability to be "not creepy. ". I remember Evita at Sharks looking asking me about the a strange nordic guy that kept following me around. She asked, "why is he so strange. He looks like Frankenstein."

[Sirioja]

I mean maybe not in your opinion, but in my opinion I think cutting other people's head off in church is quite a big sign of unhappy immigrant, man French people must respect other people's religion more instead of making fun of their religion with cartoon, this is ture, France declared religious warfare by insulting Muslim people is what happened. Plus France lost the control again with covid 19 as well, very busy country with many chaos.

You really should inform yourself before writing. This Tunisian who is from a country which is close for culture to France, arrived in Lampedusa Italian island on September and was refused to stay in Italy, then he entered in France illegally on beginning of October, to kill 2 women and a priest in a church 3 weeks later. Immigrant? Terrorist for sure. Ask Tchetchen who cut a teacher head parents about what they think about their son who asked asylum to France which welcome him, action, do they prefer to return to misery in Tchetcheny? I m pretty sure they don't want, they prefer France. Most of Imans in France support freedom in France, only few integrists want to kill, not even respecting Coran. Muslim Balkanian parents shaved their daughter head because she was in love for a Christian Serbian, poor girl, her parents were sent off France, but what will she become after such traumatism? Many muslims in France and I m pretty sure most prefer to live in France rather than returning to their origins level of life, even when born in France, when so many Germans, UK, NL, Belgium, prefer to live with french quality of life rather than in their own country, Germany can't compete with France for quality of life, except rich Bavaria and south Germany. Better to know a bit, and yes, France is land of freedom, no other country can compete for this, maybe why number 1 for tourism, also because of our rich culture. I m happy to see real artist superstar Stevie Wonder supporting Biden, wish Black won't be shot anymore for nothing.

[Mursenary]

You may be right. I don't deny that I have my own biases. Everyone has them, I have mine- in my case it is the Moslem terrorists and the commie Chinese government. Pretty sure some of my friends in my personal life are turned off by my stances and rhetoric, but it is what it is.

Having said that, we can't deny the barbaric nature of throat slits and beheadings and the utterly disgusting hypocrisy shown by Turkey and the rest of Moslem world that silently gives a pass to Chinese concentration camps in Uighur land but bullying France in their hour of need with these despicable boycotts of French products. How would we feel if after 9/11, all the Moslem nations announced a boycott of American products? Perhaps my use of rounding up and deportation is an extreme rhetoric but it was spoken in frustration. The reality is that it will not happen. But it is what gives rise to the Trumpian forces too: they see the hypocrisy of these Islamic nations.

You speak of it so lightly, trivializing hate speech. Billions of muslims in the world and most don't even have anything to do with state affairs. How many are peacefully and assimilating in western nations? Hundreds of millions.

Rounding up might not happen but that sort of rhetoric gets repeated and seeps into the minds of people. End result, the majority of everyday muslims who have no violent desires have to deal with the end result of the hate speech you're putting out there. Guys like Dylan Roof become emboldened by speech like yours and end up shooting up an entire church. I'm sure you scoff when black people put the "oppressor" tag on all white people, but here you're doing the same but worse. Labeling an entire group of people as Barbarians and calling for rounding up innocent people. You mock Trump, but you're calling for something worse than anything he's ever proposed, unapologetic and doubling down. Shameful.