Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus!

[Mongerer88]

Your country needs younger politicans in general. Trump, Biden, Sanders and the others are all north of 70.

I guess the future really is non-white women such as AOC or Harris. I make no judgment on that, it's what the change of the American people dictates.

Young or old, male or female, there are inescapable ironies that make the whole thing a waste of time.

If AOC truly believes in Decriminalization, that is the only unregulated, free market activity she believes in. She sees a sex worker selling sex to a customer in a private space, and she seems to see a transaction between a willing seller and a willing buyer that does not need to be regulated by the government. God bless her for once. Every other business transaction the lady has ever been presented with, including an Amazon corporate headquarters, all she sees is corporate evil that needs so much government regulation that any businessperson dealing with her throws their hands up and just says fuck it, we will build it elsewhere. And for what it is worth, I am skeptical that true Decriminalization could ever occur. Everything is regulated in the United States, even a kid trying to operate a lemonade stand needs a permit. The regulation and licensing, and its application to a business as controversial as sex work, would be the ultimate government shakedown for everyone involved. It just won't work. Even Germany basically just gives up on trying to enforce its regulations on sex work, in no small part because independent escorts are impossible to regulate, and imposing greater restrictions on its showcased legal brothels and FKKs would make the government look ridiculous. That is exactly the case in Australia, and the government does look ridiculous. If you look at the local Australian reviews websites, independent escorts are far more popular than the government-licensed brothels where CBJ is theoretically required. The USA Has by definition unregulated commercial sex work since it is illegal. No one who enjoys independent escorts and Sugar Babies would want politicians deciding how sex should occur, nor would sex workers want the government to dictate where and how they work. Virtually all American sex workers who get involved in politics want true, full Decriminalization, but they are amazingly naive that doing so would make sex work the only unregulated business in the whole damn country.

But the greatest irony of all is that the many USA Politicians who claim to believe in true free markets would look at that room where a sex worker is selling sex to a customer and immediately believe the sex worker must be a victim of exploitation and coercion. They look for the nonexistent pimp. It is truly bizarre.

[Sirioja]

Your country needs younger politicans in general. Trump, Biden, Sanders and the others are all north of 70.

I guess the future really is non-white women such as AOC or Harris. I make no judgment on that, it's what the change of the American people dictates.

I agree, if I was US, I would vote Kamala Harris, for a more fair society. No worth to be number 1 when so many poor who can t have healthcare, or illegals. Trump is a big loser for this, and his economy is also down. US can t work without blacks, Latinos, Mexicans. Covid gave real image of US.

[Martin39]

If you look at the 4 quadrants: fiscal hawk social liberal, fiscal dove social liberal, fiscal dove social conservative, fiscal hawk social conservative, the one with the least popularity is the first I. E. Fiscal hawk social liberal.

Bloomberg got trashed despite spending hundreds of millions of own money. Almost all the politicians with similar bent are phasing out. Kasich, Romney, Meg Whitman, Clintons, etc.

FT had a really good oped a few months ago. Their take was that if Trump had not been a traditional fiscal conservative guy when it came to policies / actions but had gone full bore on economic populism (renamed Obamacare as Trumpcare and expanded it; do a large infra project with roadworks etc, spend money on other nation building stuff), he would have been elected easy. He came within a whisker of winning anyway despite Covid mismanagement and being the traditional GOP guy on fiscal issues. Or if Bernie had not been so socially liberal on immigration and race, he could have won (he still won a bunch of people who voted for him in primaries and for Trump in general).

Being fiscally conservative socially liberal works for the upper middle, educated classes in NYC / SF and Boston. The lower middle class White voters on the coasts and people in the flyover country did not benefit from the Reagan economics of trickle down. They are there for picking by the fiscal dove, socially conservative pol at some point.

I fully agree with you and I am aware my view is a minority and politicians (you named a couple on both sides) are getting extinct. Lower middle class did get slammed by globalization and even middle class jobs are not as safe as they used to be. Don't want to imagine what this trend will bring us going forward. The extremists on both side of the isle taking over their parties and the middle ground disappearing. Compromise seems to be a swear word nowadays.

I used to live in the bible belt and still (mail) vote there and have plenty of friends there (including Trump supporters). My house in the suburbs had plenty of churches within 1 mile. I did have guns at the house (usually locked in the safe though) and liked to shoot at a range or a friends farm.

Since this is a monger forum I still remember the old days in the 90's before it was cleaned up with plenty of monger options relative openly available in the city (brothel's, street walkers, .). Now even strip clubs have a no touching policy. In the older days you went to church on Sunday's and started sinning Monday morning, rinse and repeat. Clinton is a good example.

[Ararat]

Let Biden hand out $100 restaurant and $200 hooker vouchers. I like much of what AOC says, making the books more balanced rather than leaving money on the table. And if she's wants to decriminalize the hobby, she got my vote, plus she is smart and young. We need more of them and less flaccid old white guys. Sex is great to bond people, create empathy and get money circulating at the low level. And yes, AOC is hot, but I'm more interested in her ideas and brains.

Next year is going to be a sex extravaganza!

Your country needs younger politicans in general. Trump, Biden, Sanders and the others are all north of 70.

I guess the future really is non-white women such as AOC or Harris. I make no judgment on that, it's what the change of the American people dictates.

[BigBuddy69]

It's still possible to move freely, all malls, restaurants, shops, massage parlors and gyms are still opened.

Possible but really discouraged: https://www.krisinformation.se/en/ha...ockholm-county.

What did your PM say? He said that:

"This is the new norm for the entire society," Lofven told a news conference. "Don't go to gyms, don't go to libraries, don't host dinners. Cancel."

Source: https://news.trust.org/item/20201116135516-ilta9/.

Is Reuters a fake news media?

There are no lockdowns, there's no difference between now and March / April. The restaurants are still packed of people, probably even more so than in March.

Not so packed without big tables and no alcohol after 10 pm.

Restaurants will stay open, with a maximum of eight diners for each table, as will schools....Last week the government announced that bars and restaurants would not be allowed to serve alcohol after 10pm from 20 November until the end of February.

Source: https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...id-covid-surge.

So your false claim that Sweden changed its strategy is incorrect.

How do you call this?

Decision on stricter general recommendations in Kronoberg and Södermanland County
Local visiting bans possible for retirement homes
The Government: Ban on serving alcohol after 10 pm
The government proposes further restrictions on public assembly. Starting on 24 November, for a four-week period, only eight people may attend general gatherings and public activities.

Source: https://www.krisinformation.se/en/news.

Just new guidelines?

Or well, the nursing homes allows visitors now.

Not so much it seems.

Thank you BolsoTrump, it was a pleasure talking to you.

[ShooBree]

Let Biden hand out $100 restaurant and $200 hooker vouchers. I like much of what AOC says, making the books more balanced rather than leaving money on the table. And if she's wants to decriminalize the hobby, she got my vote, plus she is smart and young. We need more of them and less flaccid old white guys. Sex is great to bond people, create empathy and get money circulating at the low level. And yes, AOC is hot, but I'm more interested in her ideas and brains.

Next year is going to be a sex extravaganza!

Wait, wait a minute. AOC is hot? I always thought AOC was the crazy horse face with bug eyes? I wouldn't spend 50€ on her.

Regarding her being "smart", wasn't she a bartender?

[Gino02]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/20/austr...ntl/index.html

Is this an example of a garbage input (I mean the lies) produces garbage output (meaning stupid orders) if the software (meaning the brain of that decision maker) is missing data validation filter (meaning sanity), or missing logic (meaning brain cells LOL)?

[Pahllus Maximus]

Let Biden hand out $100 restaurant and $200 hooker vouchers. I like much of what AOC says, making the books more balanced rather than leaving money on the table. And if she's wants to decriminalize the hobby, she got my vote, plus she is smart and young. We need more of them and less flaccid old white guys. Sex is great to bond people, create empathy and get money circulating at the low level. And yes, AOC is hot, but I'm more interested in her ideas and brains.

Next year is going to be a sex extravaganza!

[Pessimist]

AOC does get it right on sex work. I disagree with her on everything else, but she does totally get it on sex work, even drilling down into the evils of Fosta / Sesta.

https://nypost.com/2020/02/15/aoc-ki...bitious-goals/

Kamala Harris is the one to be concerned about, given her past record.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...ident-1043941/

https://reason.com/2019/04/23/harris...eason-roundup/

The mainstream media is simply incapable of having a reasonable discussion regarding sex work.

Kamala supports the Nordic Model, not decriminalization, although you wouldn't know it from her years as California Attorney General, where she went after women doing street prostitution and low-cost classified advertising, and was an immediate architect of Fosta / Sesta upon entering the USA Senate.

Kamala has no substance and merely blows with the wind. Consequently, it is possible that the left wing women supporting full decriminalization will have some sway with her, particularly if the prevailing attitudes of the country go that direction. When she was California Attorney General, the trafficking myth folks (beware of that Super Bowl) were out in force. So it is simply a matter of who has her ear on the subject, since her apparent lack of brainpower makes it difficult for her to make a decision based on competing data..

The squad is irrelevant. If Dems had any sense, they would ignore them. Pols who come ultra safe districts / states are always useless. The tend to be the most extreme and just fuck it up for everyone else.

As far as views on legalizing prostitution go, what is the upside to any politician? Especially a pol gunning for nationwide or even statewide election? It will hardly pull in any new votes and will only turn off some / many. Even if they have a constructive view, they would keep quiet. Should. I would, if I were running for office.

It is one of those issues which is best swept under the rug. Don't know if it is the third rail, but there is extremely minimal upside. Not today. If this changes in 40 years from now remains to be seen and by that time I could be dead or might not care anyway.

We had some discussion about strip clubs a few months ago and the consensus was that they have gone down the hill, became more seedy, have worse service, more hands off. The same attitude permeates all of the paid sex scene in the public domain. Ironically, even as every single politician and churchman all the way to POTUS and pants down Falwell have been literally caught with their dicks in some girl's mouth, the political climate has not changed very much in favor of such legalization. I am no expert, far from it, but that is my layman's read. The best one can hope for is that they will let the sugarbabe type stuff alone, as it is really not that different from consensual sex between adults except there may be some quiet exchange of gifts in addition to body fluids.

[Mursenary]

That said, I do think Shobre is from Sweden because that ghetto name isn't in the dictionaries. Maybe he's from an Arab area in the US but I think he's from one of the Stockholm ghettos such as Rinkeby or Alby. Everytime I visit Berlin there are groups of young MENA men onboard who are headed for Artemis. I have seen use him a ghetto insult in Swedish too.

I think you may be correct. Like here in the USA, people of lower socioeconomic means are the ones that are much more care-free regarding their actions on this pandemic. Some must work because of the nature of their jobs, but at non-essential late night social venues, the people out and about are generally more of the riff raff. Even amongst the young 20 something year olds, the more well-to-do ones are not out at these venues as much as the rougher crowds.

Yes of course we are too stupid to know the Cuomo brothers. We can also watch CNN (strong democrats supporters) or Fox (Trump supporters) available for free. I really appreciate the American people, worked with them several years and it was a great pleasure, the things are straight forward, clear like working with German people. You should not trying to segregate US and Europe never forget that 90% if not more of the Americans are coming from Europe, just check where your grand parents are from.

You misunderstand. It was not an insult to Europeans. It was a remark that most Europeans do not follow the tabloid drama of barely relevant American news anchors.

90% is absolutely too high. Europeans descendants probably make up roughly 60-65% of America with some grey areas due to the mixed genetic make up of South and Central American immigrants. African lineage about 13%. South and Central Americans about another 15%. Asians about 5%. 5% from other backgrounds.

It's absolutely not a "light lockdown", unless the definition of a lockdown changed drastically the last couple of days.

It's still possible to move freely, all malls, restaurants, shops, massage parlors and gyms are still opened. There are no lockdowns, there's no difference between now and March / April. The restaurants are still packed of people, probably even more so than in March. So your false claim that Sweden changed its strategy is incorrect. Or well, the nursing homes allows visitors now. More importantly, no lockdown! Still open for business!

Point is that there are some mandated restrictions and in practice, the population are acting responsibly and the virus factors into the average Swede's decisions on level of physical distancing. Voluntarily but similar effect nonetheless.

Yes, "Lock down" should be better defined.

First of all, the days of glamorous doctor are largely pass. Let us ignore the pomposity of oh I am so cool, I mix with the common folk and deign to speak to the repairman crap. In all likelihood, the unionized plumber, electrician etc is charging 125 to 150 an hour while some of the familycare guys are collecting such feeble amounts after the payment companies squeeze them so badly. For some specific personal reasons, a large % of the social gatherings / parties I attend with my spouse happen to be predominantly w / physician friends and fa.

You're like a squealing greased pig, sprinting around from point to point while rolling in the mud. The term "perceived prestige" is referring directly to thought processes such as yours. In an attempt to make personal jabs, you are the primary perpetuator of this phenomenon. In an attempt to discredit me, someone who, of all things boastful, has never boasted about occupational prestige, you reveal your own personal sentiments of both perceived prestige and apparently personal disdain regarding the profession. There seems to be a fabricated recollection of events in your mind regarding my own personal boasting of occupation as I surely doubt that you can produce anything of the sort in the record.

Your impression of the occupation seems to also be very limited. As most physicians in the US have a molecular biology undergraduate background, most are easily capable of speaking eloquently regarding matters of hard science, some moreso than others. The occupation is also quite diverse in settings and personalities as there will be a broad spectrum of personalities and science focus from primary clinicians, to radiologist, orthopedic surgeons, emergency physicians, and the basement dwelling pathologists. And goes without saying, people within those specialties are also diverse individuals.

Your arrogance in insulting more blue collar workers and even respectable researchers reinforce such simple views towards other people. Now insulting mid level practitioners too, your worldview is disgusting. You seem to be a man of limited social interaction with little exposure to diverse socio-economic demographics. There seems to be a tendency to put people in boxes that is just not consistent with reality. But I'll directly ask, South Asian or just another dorky white dude?

Lastly Boomer, I'm quick with the phone. Being a Millennial and all.

[Mongerer88]

If you look at the 4 quadrants: fiscal hawk social liberal, fiscal dove social liberal, fiscal dove social conservative, fiscal hawk social conservative, the one with the least popularity. ... Being fiscally conservative socially liberal works for the upper middle, educated classes in NYC / SF and Boston. The lower middle class White voters on the coasts and people in the flyover country did not benefit from the Reagan economics of trickle down. They are there for picking by the fiscal dove, socially conservative pol at some point.

I agree. Social conservativism gives people something to have when it comes to identity politics.

In rural America, this often centers around church, which rails against abortion.

They believe, with some accuracy, that the government just prints money and hands it out to everyone but them.

So fiscal dove, social conservative appeals to a lot of Americans, especially in rural America where guns are popular.

[Pessimist]

First of all, the days of glamorous doctor are largely passé. Let us ignore the pomposity of oh I am so cool, I mix with the common folk and deign to speak to the repairman crap. In all likelihood, the unionized plumber, electrician etc is charging 125 to 150 an hour while some of the familycare guys are collecting such feeble amounts after the payment companies squeeze them so badly. For some specific personal reasons, a large % of the social gatherings / parties I attend with my spouse happen to be predominantly w / physician friends and families (second most, after those w / my own company folks / friends). The most common topics of discussion are (a) money and where / what they are investing (b) bitching about work: hours, patients, insurance, how physicians are slowly losing ground to the riff raff (c) some random clinical cases / diagnosis (naturally, I tune out of this discussion and drift away to another small group that is now starting to talk more general stuff by this time) (d) the quarter-marathon they have run, the golf club they have joined or some other expensive toy they bought of late (half of them are now pushing 50). I have seen more blatant bragging about wealth and the trappings of wealth at these gatherings than when I used to work in NYC / Boston areas a while ago where some guys were truly super wealthy but they really kept that side of themselves completely private.

Very few of these physician friends have any holier than thou, I am doing noble work crappy attitude to them. As always, his fullness is full of it. I have seen / heard humongous amounts of bitching about NPs and PAs and how administrators are slowly undercutting them using these ("why don't they go to medical school" type bitching is heard commonly). Most of them are tired and none seem to be the type that sit down with a mobile in hand typing up random dissertations with numbers, stats, trials, pharma molecules blah blah 24/7. I hear tons of clinical / diagnosis discussions at these gatherings, hardly any about theoretical research topics. None would agree to type up a hundred Covid messages and / or Sweden v US v some other nation pros / cons, if offered money.

So, that is my personal experience. And no, none of them think they are such hot shit that others in society are insecure around them. They know they are not. So, when some dude who is not X says he is X and claims everyone is jealous because he is X, well it all seems a bit too much.

[Pessimist]

Interesting to read in a FKK Germany forum so much about USA Politics (and football, people writing about the GOAT, and for the record I am neither a Pats nor Bucs fan).

I want a new party in the US. Can we have a socially liberal party with conservative economics? Then we can start out own FKK's and don't have to spend money outside the US anymore. Switzerland is probably the closest to it. FKK's, business friendly and low taxes.

If you look at the 4 quadrants: fiscal hawk social liberal, fiscal dove social liberal, fiscal dove social conservative, fiscal hawk social conservative, the one with the least popularity is the first I. E. Fiscal hawk social liberal.

Bloomberg got trashed despite spending hundreds of millions of own money. Almost all the politicians with similar bent are phasing out. Kasich, Romney, Meg Whitman, Clintons, etc.

FT had a really good oped a few months ago. Their take was that if Trump had not been a traditional fiscal conservative guy when it came to policies / actions but had gone full bore on economic populism (renamed Obamacare as Trumpcare and expanded it; do a large infra project with roadworks etc, spend money on other nation building stuff), he would have been elected easy. He came within a whisker of winning anyway despite Covid mismanagement and being the traditional GOP guy on fiscal issues. Or if Bernie had not been so socially liberal on immigration and race, he could have won (he still won a bunch of people who voted for him in primaries and for Trump in general).

Being fiscally conservative socially liberal works for the upper middle, educated classes in NYC / SF and Boston. The lower middle class White voters on the coasts and people in the flyover country did not benefit from the Reagan economics of trickle down. They are there for picking by the fiscal dove, socially conservative pol at some point.

[Mongerer88]

Hmmm. AOC is for full legalization and decriminalization of commercial sex. If I was in her district, I would vote for her.

If she was a WG, I might bang her in all three holes. She looks nerdy wearing glasses. I am curious what others think about her.

AOC does get it right on sex work. I disagree with her on everything else, but she does totally get it on sex work, even drilling down into the evils of Fosta / Sesta.

https://nypost.com/2020/02/15/aoc-ki...bitious-goals/

Kamala Harris is the one to be concerned about, given her past record.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...ident-1043941/

https://reason.com/2019/04/23/harris...eason-roundup/

The mainstream media is simply incapable of having a reasonable discussion regarding sex work.

Kamala supports the Nordic Model, not decriminalization, although you wouldn't know it from her years as California Attorney General, where she went after women doing street prostitution and low-cost classified advertising, and was an immediate architect of Fosta / Sesta upon entering the USA Senate.

Kamala has no substance and merely blows with the wind. Consequently, it is possible that the left wing women supporting full decriminalization will have some sway with her, particularly if the prevailing attitudes of the country go that direction. When she was California Attorney General, the trafficking myth folks (beware of that Super Bowl) were out in force. So it is simply a matter of who has her ear on the subject, since her apparent lack of brainpower makes it difficult for her to make a decision based on competing data.

Her boss, Mr. Biden, simply does not comment or answer questions on the subject. It would seem that in 40 or so years as a lawmaker, it has not come up, nor has he ever given any thought about it.

It is unclear if the Nordic Model would, or would not, be an improvement in the United States. It was simply irrelevant in Canada, although it simply replaced an already bizarre system and largely where outcall was legal as long as none of the elements were observable, but incall was illegal under all circumstances. Participants of an outcall transaction were entitled to Privacy under a court decision somewhat similar to the USA 's Roe v. Wade, but the decision did not extend to incall. When a later court declared that decision too stupid to persist, they forced legislators to act and Canada got the Nordic Model, and a rational decision by the police departments in Montreal, Toronto and Vancouver to sweep it under the rug with a Prioritization Policy.

I don't trust USA Legislators to do any better, so I like the Biden approach of Don't Want to Talk About It, Never Even Thought About It, rather than anything Kamala would propose.

[Martin39]

Interesting to read in a FKK Germany forum so much about USA Politics (and football, people writing about the GOAT, and for the record I am neither a Pats nor Bucs fan).

I want a new party in the US. Can we have a socially liberal party with conservative economics? Then we can start out own FKK's and don't have to spend money outside the US anymore. Switzerland is probably the closest to it. FKK's, business friendly and low taxes.