Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus!

[Sirioja]

Melissa really thinks she's the cat's whiskers. I never like going with a girl who fancies herself too much, the service is invariably bad. No problem for guys who like looks more than service.

I found her higher than average to chat, but no wow for her face nor in bed, but I would be happy to find more girls on her level in brothels.

[Mursenary]

Melissa really thinks she's the cat's whiskers. I never like going with a girl who fancies herself too much, the service is invariably bad. No problem for guys who like looks more than service.

Body near perfection, service adequate, teeth quite offputting, personality of a wet paper bag. She's a half grade above optic-fuck and she charges the price of a super star. No thanks for me also.

[Pessimist]

I have not really gone with many "new" WGs Sharks in a long time, although Sharks used to be my favorite club between 2014-2016.

So what I am reading is only some WGs charge some men 150 EUR per hour. To me, the most renowned Asian hunters would be Evita, Cosmina, Helen. I thought they were just known for being "busy" or otherwise "not available". And that they rejected men as opposed to quoting them higher rates. With those three, I have even heard of Asian mongers complain that they were bumped by other Asian mongers. My impression is that Evita, Cosmina, Helen charged Asian mongers market rates to lure them in, but just had a way of converting them to long-term business relationships with their charm (or the Asian mongers' gullibility). I have heard about Melissa charging 120 EUR per hour more or less to all mongers. But she is upfront about it. I do not think she targets Asians. I think there are some WGs who target any newbie monger, but specifically Asians who cannot speak English or German, trying to throw all extras and get 250 for 15 minutes work.

I am not good with names. That is true even in my own professional life unfortunately. In these clubs, I don't bother to ask their names and if they tell me, I tend to forget. I notice a lot of guys start their opening pitch to the girls with "hey what's your name, I am x". Of the ones you mentioned I know Evita for sure, Cosmina rings a bell but don't remember which club and from when; could be that I am confusing some face with some other name. Even when I am visiting these clubs somewhat regularly it is tough enough to remember and now it is all a blur after 17+ months.

I thought 50 E for 30 m is standard at the Hessen clubs. I did not run into any that I can recall refusing a 50 E session for 30 M. Strange, asking upfront 120 E for an hour: Isn't that against the rules? If you go to the room w / a girl w / o prenegotiation, you are still entitled to purchasing a 50 E session? At least that's been my experience. The Asian hunters tend to cut short on a bunch of things which I mentioned elsewhere: time, everything being an extra, bad attitude, terrible service, constant upselling, etc. Yes, I don't disagree that it is not only Asians that fall prey to this, but the prevailing attitude I have seen from these girls is "I can get away with these because I have Asian customers that are ready to pick up the slack".

[McAdonis]

Red hair Melissa sitting close to SM used to ask 100/30 or 150/60 , but she told before going, so she is honest.

She charged the same rates for private incall. The other Sharks WGs also charged those rates during lockdown. 150/60 is the "market rate" for private incall. But in the club, they should be charging less.

[Turgid]

Red hair Melissa sitting close to SM used to ask 100/30 or 150/60 , but she told before going, so she is honest.

Melissa really thinks she's the cat's whiskers. I never like going with a girl who fancies herself too much, the service is invariably bad. No problem for guys who like looks more than service.

[Mursenary]

I have not really gone with many "new" WGs Sharks in a long time, although Sharks used to be my favorite club between 2014-2016.

So what I am reading is only some WGs charge some men 150 EUR per hour. To me, the most renowned Asian hunters would be Evita, Cosmina, Helen. I thought they were just known for being "busy" or otherwise "not available". And that they rejected men as opposed to quoting them higher rates. With those three, I have even heard of Asian mongers complain that they were bumped by other Asian mongers. My impression is that Evita, Cosmina, Helen charged Asian mongers market rates to lure them in, but just had a way of converting them to long-term business relationships with their charm (or the Asian mongers' gullibility). I have heard about Melissa charging 120 EUR per hour more or less to all mongers. But she is upfront about it. I do not think she targets Asians. I think there are some WGs who target any newbie monger, but specifically Asians who cannot speak English or German, trying to throw all extras and get 250 for 15 minutes work.

I have gone with all three, Evita, Helen, and Cosmina. Probably 20 rooms with Evita, a half dozen with Helen, and twice with Cosmina.

I have only ever done one hour rooms with Cosmina and Helen. With Evita, they ranged from 30 mins to 2 hours, averaging 1 hour.

Not once has any of them asked for more than club standard. They never even asked for a tip. At the same time, I am certain that the majority of Cosmina and Helen's clients are not Asian. Cosmina just once had the long time Japanese whale who she spent entire nights. And Helen, well she just talks about her Asian huntress role quite openly. Neither seem to openly deny non Asian mongers. Evita on the other hand has quite a large following of Asians and was just constantly booked.

[ExpatLover]

We have a user here baiting everyone who is left to write whatever he likes, even if it contributes nothing to the discussion.
Anyway, I am considering heading over there.

Always the same story, when the reality does' t match what the people think or what they should do the reality does' t exist, so simple. Delta variant is strongly around, visiting prostitutes is at high risk but never mind my little bit pleasure is more important that the reality. In the UK we have 117 deaths from Delta, 50 were fully vaccinated with 2 shots over 21 days which means like I was writing it many times the vaccines are far less efficient than what was communicated. Probably we will see a 4th wave in the coming months, but still people attending Wembley. Just like the reality does t exist.

[Lanthano]

We have a user here baiting everyone who is left to write whatever he likes, even if it contributes nothing to the discussion.
Anyway, I am considering heading over there.

[Sirioja]

I have not really gone with many "new" WGs Sharks in a long time, although Sharks used to be my favorite club between 2014-2016.

So what I am reading is only some WGs charge some men 150 EUR per hour. To me, the most renowned Asian hunters would be Evita, Cosmina, Helen. I thought they were just known for being "busy" or otherwise "not available". And that they rejected men as opposed to quoting them higher rates. With those three, I have even heard of Asian mongers complain that they were bumped by other Asian mongers. My impression is that Evita, Cosmina, Helen charged Asian mongers market rates to lure them in, but just had a way of converting them to long-term business relationships with their charm (or the Asian mongers' gullibility). I have heard about Melissa charging 120 EUR per hour more or less to all mongers. But she is upfront about it. I do not think she targets Asians. I think there are some WGs who target any newbie monger, but specifically Asians who cannot speak English or German, trying to throw all extras and get 250 for 15 minutes work.

Red hair Melissa sitting close to SM used to ask 100/30 or 150/60 , but she told before going, so she is honest.

[ExpatLover]

Is this before or after the cops storm in and then call my mother telling her I've been in a brothel?

If you can't post anything useful, perhaps don't post at all.

I just try to help you to make the right decision. Have a look at the WHO about the transmission of the covid, you will probably understand that a FKK has everything wrong. I never try to think with my dick but with my head. Probably the next wave o the pandemic is on our door, 50% of the new cases are from fully vaccinated people if this is not a point of concern.

[McAdonis]

I think the "150 charged by Asian hunters" is absolutely not a guess. I did not say every single Asian hunter charged that much of every single monger in the club, but many did; those have been well reported here and many of those girls have got those bad habits and demanded similar amounts of many other non Asians too, me included.

I have not really gone with many "new" WGs Sharks in a long time, although Sharks used to be my favorite club between 2014-2016.

So what I am reading is only some WGs charge some men 150 EUR per hour. To me, the most renowned Asian hunters would be Evita, Cosmina, Helen. I thought they were just known for being "busy" or otherwise "not available". And that they rejected men as opposed to quoting them higher rates. With those three, I have even heard of Asian mongers complain that they were bumped by other Asian mongers. My impression is that Evita, Cosmina, Helen charged Asian mongers market rates to lure them in, but just had a way of converting them to long-term business relationships with their charm (or the Asian mongers' gullibility). I have heard about Melissa charging 120 EUR per hour more or less to all mongers. But she is upfront about it. I do not think she targets Asians. I think there are some WGs who target any newbie monger, but specifically Asians who cannot speak English or German, trying to throw all extras and get 250 for 15 minutes work.

[Mr Ho]

Is this before or after the cops storm in and then call my mother telling her I've been in a brothel?

If you can't post anything useful, perhaps don't post at all.

That really happened? Why would they call your mother? How old are you? Or you are disable or something? Why do cops call your mother? Palace is FKK, not a high school LOL!

[Mursenary]

Yes, it is a guess. But to be fair, I think your comment about Asian hunters charging 150 EUR per hour pre-pandemic is a guess too. I get the impression that Asian mongers are more susceptible to being bullied at the money locker than forming a long-term sugar baby relationship. Especially if there is a language barrier. So it's a quick score as opposed to financially draining a monger's account over a long term. I would guess it is easier for the WG to keep a sugar daddy addicted, if the monger is local to Frankfurt or at least Western Europe. Without regular contact, those money transfers might stop.

I had to double check my definitions since both you and Mursenary interpreted my calculations as pre-tax:

Wouldn't after tax income be a better way to assess budgeting? Since Americans and Europeans are taxed differently.

I didn't even notice that you said disposable. So you're probably on point with that "one third if not more" estimate. I wouldn't even throw in the tax / post tax stuff as even if Americans pay less in taxes, we pay on the back end since we don't have the social services provided by the European counterparts.

Almost by pure logistics, Asians from Asia will not ever be the long game, addiction type. The only Asian whales are the Euro-Asians and the Asian-Americans. The guys who pay 150 e per hour cross all demographics, Europeans included. Focusing on only the Asians is just scapegoating that phenomenon.

What girls really get with the Asian-Asians is the no-confrontation, no-stress quick buck. They can run through a busload of 6 Japanese businessmen in 2 hours and come out 300-500 euro. They come out well paid after sessions where the guys don't demand much. Low stress, decent bucks, hardly ever super old or obese, low body odor, yada yada. Of course they'll chase those clients, small dick or not. The worst they have to deal with is an overgrown Bush.

But I'll stress again how this is still scapegoating. With the exception of a quiet Monday / Tuesday at Oase, I've never seen a day where Asians make up more than 10% of clients. And I surely don't see groups of Asians 7 days a week. Point is, there just isn't enough business from only Asians to justify so my scapegoating. I'm guessing that at this moment, you will not see more than 2 or 3 Asians in any club and yet the Hessen reports suggest an even more Sharky environment than ever before. Even in NRW, these girls are apparently playing the CBJ angle more. And how often do those clubs have zero Asian clients, quite often.

[BigBuddy69]

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Thumbs up!

[Lanthano]

Of course you have to go, you will get a great sausage festival and on top of that with some luck Delta or even Delta plus variant, impossible not to take this very attractive offer.

Is this before or after the cops storm in and then call my mother telling her I've been in a brothel?

If you can't post anything useful, perhaps don't post at all.