Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus!

[Pessimist]

This argument that "CPI hasn't spiked up 100%, so why should the room price go up this much" has its puts and takes. The sudden one time increase is jarring for many. But is it 100%? For one hour, price went up by 50%. For a two hour session, if you can negotiate well, the % hike can be even less. And for a dude who takes a lot of extras, the hike is again not necessarily 100% but much less. The largest hike is in the basic 30 min unit. For a sex tourist who takes 2 to 4 sessions daily, a mix of 30 M and hour long and a few stretching more than one hour and with a couple of extras thrown in, over 3 to 6 days the total amount you pay will not 100% higher, probably not even 50% higher. Do your own math and compare it to what you paid in the past.

American mongers have an extra dose of luck due to dollar appreciation. In 2008, Euro spiked to nearly 1. 6 USd. An hour would have been 160 USD in those days. Now, it is approximately the same amount. For a brief time in 2022, euro was even below parity.

Then too, the 50 E price has been in place for a long time. Certainly overall inflation was not zero and services inflation was not zero. Even 2% inflation over a decade comes to 22% compounded and almost 50% over 20 years. And inflation was higher in Romania where most of these girls come from.

In the last year, inflation was double digits in many EU countries and even mid teens in some E EU countries. Including the last 15 months, it is not a challenge to see 50% price hike over a decade for many goods and services. The difference is that they went up gradually over time and more sharply in the last 15 months. WGs got their pay rise all at once.

It is silly to debate the price of a specific good or service in relation to inflation. Inflation is averaged over a basket. For any specific product and service, the market makes the prices, and this "why so much more than inflation" argument doesn't get anywhere. Due to a combination of factors, starting with the helping hand provided by local law changes in 2017, more recently the pandemic, a shortage of girls or change in their attitude or what have you, the price dynamic shifted in their favor. It is what it is.

I am of the view that tourists shouldn't screw up the pricing for locals. But if the locals are paying what they are paying, these arguments are moot.

[Not Savvy]

FKK is not Swingers club, this is business. The girls are looking for money, the client are looking for the value for their money.

Keep in mind if a clients keep occupying himself with particular girl, the girls will not get business as other customer will not be approaching them. At least during the time spent chatting, giggling caressing with the girls, with particular customers. The exception of those customers pay for the girls time like in the night clubs.

In my personal opinion, if you are not interested better not to spend too much time with the girls. It is not good for everyone for everyone , the girls, the potential clients, the FKK business owner and might be you as well. There are already quite a few posting regarding the best way to avoid this sort of thing with a more gentle manner, less offensive and avoid being rude.

Totally agree. As I have already written here, I never take the time of girls unnecessarily. I politely refuse the advance of the girls without taking their time with whom I do not think I will go to the bedroom. But that's always when I get the nasty reaction from the girls.

On the other hand, with the girls that interest me, I collect the necessary information and then we go to the bedroom. From time to time, the girls stay with me despite my refusal saying that she was bored. When the discussion with this girl is interesting, I promise an appointment later at a specific time. That is to say, she convinced me with her negotiating skills. Rare case.

[Gilliat]

Not all international travelers are in good financial standing. Even if they are, travelers like I, are hit with with conversion rates.

When I use the ATM, I am charged a fee, I am charged at their rate they want to give me. Some ATM's even do mark ups! Its labeled when I am withdrawing! I FEEL THE PINCH.

I have to pay for hotel stay, airline flight, car rental, I remember Holiday Inn in Frankfurt wanted to charge me 10 euro per day, for not being a Frankfurt resident! But she gave me a break and waive the fee.

I also understand the girl have expenses also, I don't mind paying more, the problem is that its not reasonable. The attitude of the woman is horrible, even when I kindly politely to say no, they tell me to go home. Just because I say no doesn't mean I don't want you, guys like me like to take my time, and also I don't find you attractive.

Hi. I agree with everything you said. If you're not a local, it doesn't make much sense to go to FKK specifically. First of all the prices. If we want to withdraw cash from ATMs, there is definitely a different expense. In clubs, especially sharks, the approach of girls to boys can sometimes be disturbing. Some are hasty. Not only in the main bar. In the room as well. But never there is possibility to know in advance.

[Adindas]

Not only their character but also the stress they currently have that approaching many girls is stressful for clients. It's sad for all of us.

To be fair, there are also some girlish approaches that are highly appreciable. As written in the part of Sharks, Lolita's approach gives customers every joy. Zayneb's approach is very elegant and calm, Emma's is very funny and friendly, Catalea's is both cool and warm with the looks of a femme fatale.

FKK is not Swingers club, this is business. The girls are looking for money, the client are looking for the value for their money.

Keep in mind if a clients keep occupying himself with particular girl, the girls will not get business as other customer will not be approaching them. At least during the time spent chatting, giggling caressing with the girls, with particular customers. The exception of those customers pay for the girls time like in the night clubs.

In my personal opinion, if you are not interested better not to spend too much time with the girls. It is not good for everyone for everyone , the girls, the potential clients, the FKK business owner and might be you as well. There are already quite a few posting regarding the best way to avoid this sort of thing with a more gentle manner, less offensive and avoid being rude.

[Not Savvy]

I agree with insults that are occurring. I have always been cordial, and I still get insulted, like its the norm.

What's truly shameful, it reflects her, because customers see it, which makes her being avoided.

Not only their character but also the stress they currently have that approaching many girls is stressful for clients. It's sad for all of us.

To be fair, there are also some girlish approaches that are highly appreciable. As written in the part of Sharks, Lolita's approach gives customers every joy. Zayneb's approach is very elegant and calm, Emma's is very funny and friendly, Catalea's is both cool and warm with the looks of a femme fatale.

[BbfsOnly]

I find that the constant inflation due to the economic crisis caused by the war, has caused the atmosphere of the big club where Debora works to deteriorate so much.

This year, I hear a lot of frustrations from two sides, I. E. Customers and girls.

As Samcik wrote, some of them behave badly. This has been the observation for a long time. But room rate inflation added fuel to the fire. The price negotiation then became fierce: for the girls, a lot of discussion does not result in a room. They get nervous all the time. Clients are trying to make a profit from his investment and some of them are only looking to chat while fiddling with the girl's body while staying in the salon. They are also frustrated by surreal price inflation of over 100 percent. In short, the atmosphere is sometimes electric.

I have never been rejected by a girl for lack of respect or hygiene. I prefer not to take the time of the girls with whom I do not go to the bedroom. I always try to politely refuse their advance, even sometimes too aggressively. But I'm starting to get a few insults from a girl in her native language. It's sad, but it's become a daily occurrence. Let's continue to have mutual respect in the club and also outside the club, like here.

I agree with insults that are occurring. I have always been cordial, and I still get insulted, like its the norm.

What's truly shameful, it reflects her, because customers see it, which makes her being avoided.

[BbfsOnly]

Hi Deboraaa,

You are preaching to the choir, most posters on this forum are international travelers and financially stable. It is sickening for us to hear from you and other girls about customers who stink like an onion. I recommend that you start reporting such clients with terrible hygiene issues to the front desk.

The second issue is prices. Your formula of a "perfect" girl, perfect body, best service, and cheapest price is simply incorrect. What most men respectfully want instead, is a basic service at a fixed price without upsell. Everything else is negotiable.

Not all international travelers are in good financial standing. Even if they are, travelers like I, are hit with with conversion rates.

When I use the ATM, I am charged a fee, I am charged at their rate they want to give me. Some ATM's even do mark ups! Its labeled when I am withdrawing! I FEEL THE PINCH.

I have to pay for hotel stay, airline flight, car rental, I remember Holiday Inn in Frankfurt wanted to charge me 10 euro per day, for not being a Frankfurt resident! But she gave me a break and waive the fee.

I also understand the girl have expenses also, I don't mind paying more, the problem is that its not reasonable. The attitude of the woman is horrible, even when I kindly politely to say no, they tell me to go home. Just because I say no doesn't mean I don't want you, guys like me like to take my time, and also I don't find you attractive.

[Mr Ho]

This attitude is a part of the problem. It suggests that the customer ought to just accept whatever price is quoted to them. This is not true for any kind of business setting and only contributes to bad provider behavior and predatory pricing and practices. Remember that in the end it's the customer that sustains any business. That doesn't mean that the customer is free to act like a jerk without any consequences, or demand a price at which the business can't make a profit. But it does mean that the business needs to continuously strive to bring about customer satisfaction lest the business ultimately fail due to a lack of said customers. One critical way to bring about that customer satisfaction is by setting price points for your goods and services that yield true value for your customers (they feel they get what they paid for at a fair price). When the customer starts feeling like that value isn't there anymore, than that's when the business is going to start having a problem retaining its customers. And if you don't have a sufficient number of customers then guess what? You will end up with an unsustainable business that will have to close up its zimmers for good!

This video and the lyrics is the mindset of the FKK girls LOL! This lyrics explain all why FKK girls are FKK girls LOL!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mU-UjHJ7TNc

[Adindas]

If guys don't like the prices don't go into an FKK.

This is just one of many examples that have been reported here.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...tadt&p=2802801#post2802801.

"With their new expensive rate, they kill their own business, following what happened at Oase with so slow business yesterday, real fresh natural beauty I tasted telling me she prefers to give up and return home because of bad business. .... ".

You might be right to say "If guys don't like the prices don't go into an FKK". That is probably some (if not majority) or regular visitors have end up doing. Keep in mind some regular visitors could still visit FKK and do less session or do not have any session at all.

Some people care about their environment, and want to discuss about it some do not. You simply can not ask the people to shut up if they still want to talk about it. The environmental destruction will not only effect mongers but also for WGs like the example above. The same thing with environment we live some people care about the sustainability of their environment some do not. You simply can not force people to talk or not talk about this.

For some monger the ridiculous price hike is less relevant, A good example of this is international tourists who travel from far away and just come to FKK once in their life time, for them paying EUR100 or EUR500 is less relevant, they do not got there regularly.

If the number of these regular visitors keep decreasing, it is just a matter of time before these FKKs cease to exist. Those international tourists you will never know that you might come back and when you do come back just hoping those places will still exist. There are already a few good examples for this such as RLD De Waltje in Amsterdam, Privats in Prague, in Poland, Hungary etc.

[Escape Artist]

Fourth, and most importantly, neither you (whoever you are) or anyone else has said one single, solitary thing to justify 100 euros (100% increase) for 30 minutes. Absolutely nothing. That's not justified by the rate of of inflation or anything else.

No, it's nothing more than just taking advantage of a situation for a pure greedy money grab. That's what it is. Now if you (or anybody) thinks you have a solid justification for it based on facts and reason versus pure emotion let's hear it. I'm all ears. But just know that saying men are rude, or don't shower, and all that won't cut it with me or most guys. I'm not any of those things, so why should I the good and desirable customer be punished? What do I want? I want the benefit of the bargain at a fair price. That's what I want. And nobody has told me one thing yet to convince me that a 100% increase for a 30 minute session is reasonable and fair. No, what that does is show disrespect to the ones who sustain you. And that would be your patrons. Your customers. And no, I don't expect perfection. But I do expect to be treated with respect just like you do. Respect yields respect. And gouging your customers isn't showing them respect.

Exactly, whoever this person is, actual WG or not, says nothing to justify the price extortion. I mean, with "her" criticism of the customers being rude and dirty, does "she" mention anything about them charging a more fair price for guys who are nice and clean? Of course "she" doesn't.

Worse are the posters who turn pretty SIMP in tone with their responses.

[Sirioja]

You don't know me and I don't know you. But I'll tell you this. I'm none of those things that you show scorn towards men for. I have no problem getting the girls wanting to go with me and have even been complimented for smelling nice. Second, there's no reason to be rude to a girl you're not interested in as long as she isn't rude and pushy and knows how to accept "no" for an answer. When you break it down you're in sales, and if you can't deal with "no thank you" in a direct but respectful way then you're in the wrong business. Third, don't think for a minute that the men have a lock on rudeness. Plenty of guys here can tell you plenty of stories. I remember a girl who wanted me to go with her who insulted me at the same time by saying I wasn't "normal" for patronizing an FKK. Really? OK, and so she was normal for working in one then? Fourth, and most importantly, neither you (whoever you are) or anyone else has said one single, solitary thing to justify 100 euros (100% increase) for 30 minutes. Absolutely nothing. That's not justified by the rate of of inflation or anything else.

No, it's nothing more than just taking advantage of a situation for a pure greedy money grab. That's what it is. Now if you (or anybody) thinks you have a solid justification for it based on facts and reason versus pure emotion let's hear it. I'm all ears. But just know that saying men are rude, or don't shower, and all that won't cut it with me or most guys. I'm not any of those things, so why should I the good and desirable customer be punished? What do I want? I want the benefit of the bargain at a fair price. That's what I want. And nobody has told me one thing yet to convince me that a 100% increase for a 30 minute session is reasonable and fair. No, what that does is show disrespect to the ones who sustain you. And that would be your patrons. Your customers. And no, I don't expect perfection. But I do expect to be treated with respect just like you do. Respect yields respect. And gouging your customers isn't showing them respect. By the way, I don't go for the GFE. I don't want that. I go for the PSE. Yes, that's what I want. Ha!

I also don't know Debora but she may know me like most Sharks girls, going weekly with prettiest when none never asked me to go to take a shower nor told I smell ashtray, when I m a kisser. I m fully agree very difficult job for a woman, they chose to make fast money and not many are smart for this job. At least, I met many very honest Romanians and on last Saturday, when so disappointed for shame for my country with Romanian pimped manners.

[Smoke Light]

Hello, I am Debora for the people who don't know me I am a girl who workes in Sharks.

Hi Deboraaa,

You are preaching to the choir, most posters on this forum are international travelers and financially stable. It is sickening for us to hear from you and other girls about customers who stink like an onion. I recommend that you start reporting such clients with terrible hygiene issues to the front desk.

The second issue is prices. Your formula of a "perfect" girl, perfect body, best service, and cheapest price is simply incorrect. What most men respectfully want instead, is a basic service at a fixed price without upsell. Everything else is negotiable.

[The Cane]

If guys don't like the prices don't go into an FKK.

This attitude is a part of the problem. It suggests that the customer ought to just accept whatever price is quoted to them. This is not true for any kind of business setting and only contributes to bad provider behavior and predatory pricing and practices. Remember that in the end it's the customer that sustains any business. That doesn't mean that the customer is free to act like a jerk without any consequences, or demand a price at which the business can't make a profit. But it does mean that the business needs to continuously strive to bring about customer satisfaction lest the business ultimately fail due to a lack of said customers. One critical way to bring about that customer satisfaction is by setting price points for your goods and services that yield true value for your customers (they feel they get what they paid for at a fair price). When the customer starts feeling like that value isn't there anymore, than that's when the business is going to start having a problem retaining its customers. And if you don't have a sufficient number of customers then guess what? You will end up with an unsustainable business that will have to close up its zimmers for good!

[The Cane]

Hello, I am Debora for the people who don't know me I am a girl who workes in Sharks. You surprise me all the time when I get on these forums and read what you are posting here about my colleagues and sometimes about me. I see so many complainings about the prices and about the girls behavior but before to judge only these topics had you put only one time in the shoes of one of us? All of you want a "perfect" girl, perfect body, best service, and cheapest price. But what about you? How many of you respect the women? Let's talk a little bit about also the men that we must dealing with. Many of you became very rude. I go many times trying to start a conversation smiling and friendly and I do not have time to finish to say Hello, and the answer is directly no. After there are so many men that effectively stink, they probably have an allergy for water and soap and after come to us and say " I want girlfriend experience with french kisses and blowjob without condom " , scuze me but how do you expect from a girl to offer you this when you come dirty and you smell like an onion?? Have you ever tried to be gentlemen and make sure a girl is feeling also comfortable while she is with you? Most of you see and treat us just as some sex toys you forget we are women. You expect best quality in exchange of what?

You don't know me and I don't know you. But I'll tell you this. I'm none of those things that you show scorn towards men for. I have no problem getting the girls wanting to go with me and have even been complimented for smelling nice. Second, there's no reason to be rude to a girl you're not interested in as long as she isn't rude and pushy and knows how to accept "no" for an answer. When you break it down you're in sales, and if you can't deal with "no thank you" in a direct but respectful way then you're in the wrong business. Third, don't think for a minute that the men have a lock on rudeness. Plenty of guys here can tell you plenty of stories. I remember a girl who wanted me to go with her who insulted me at the same time by saying I wasn't "normal" for patronizing an FKK. Really? OK, and so she was normal for working in one then? Fourth, and most importantly, neither you (whoever you are) or anyone else has said one single, solitary thing to justify 100 euros (100% increase) for 30 minutes. Absolutely nothing. That's not justified by the rate of of inflation or anything else.

No, it's nothing more than just taking advantage of a situation for a pure greedy money grab. That's what it is. Now if you (or anybody) thinks you have a solid justification for it based on facts and reason versus pure emotion let's hear it. I'm all ears. But just know that saying men are rude, or don't shower, and all that won't cut it with me or most guys. I'm not any of those things, so why should I the good and desirable customer be punished? What do I want? I want the benefit of the bargain at a fair price. That's what I want. And nobody has told me one thing yet to convince me that a 100% increase for a 30 minute session is reasonable and fair. No, what that does is show disrespect to the ones who sustain you. And that would be your patrons. Your customers. And no, I don't expect perfection. But I do expect to be treated with respect just like you do. Respect yields respect. And gouging your customers isn't showing them respect. By the way, I don't go for the GFE. I don't want that. I go for the PSE. Yes, that's what I want. Ha!

[Not Savvy]

Hello Debora, I have no idea who you are maybe we met in the past but thank you for the post. I understand your frustration and I absolutely agree with you on all the girls should be treated with respect but it needs to be mutual. Some girls see men as a wallet and some men see girls as a sex toys. Unfortunately, it will be like this. People are different not everyone has good manners, or knows how to talk and how to treat others. Bad hygiene, in my opinion, shouldn't be tolerated, no girl or guy should go to the room with someone who doesn't have self-respect and doesn't takes care of himself / herself. Back to your last question I personally do not expect GFE from each girl in the club or girls to sit and listen to my life story. All I personally expect it's being straightforward with no game. Name your price upfront and eliminate the car salesman tactics in the room.

I find that the constant inflation due to the economic crisis caused by the war, has caused the atmosphere of the big club where Debora works to deteriorate so much.

This year, I hear a lot of frustrations from two sides, I. E. Customers and girls.

As Samcik wrote, some of them behave badly. This has been the observation for a long time. But room rate inflation added fuel to the fire. The price negotiation then became fierce: for the girls, a lot of discussion does not result in a room. They get nervous all the time. Clients are trying to make a profit from his investment and some of them are only looking to chat while fiddling with the girl's body while staying in the salon. They are also frustrated by surreal price inflation of over 100 percent. In short, the atmosphere is sometimes electric.

I have never been rejected by a girl for lack of respect or hygiene. I prefer not to take the time of the girls with whom I do not go to the bedroom. I always try to politely refuse their advance, even sometimes too aggressively. But I'm starting to get a few insults from a girl in her native language. It's sad, but it's become a daily occurrence. Let's continue to have mutual respect in the club and also outside the club, like here.