Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus!

[Sirioja]

Anything to support the 20-30% claim? I know that it is claimed that some countries (eg Russia, Mexico, Brasil) undercount Covid deaths based on their excess mortality in 2020 but it wasn't a global phenomenon.

I have heard a lot more people claiming that Covid death numbers are exaggerated to make people comply with the restrictions.

And what do you think about Chinese figures? Other country where we can disappear with no human rights.

[Sirioja]

If everyone had followed the rules during the first lockdown, we would probably be in a much better situation now. Saying that we should not have rules because SOME people would go on and break them anyway is such an idiotic statement that does not even deserve an answer. What do walls have to do with Covid, your mind is so messed up, mate! You may be one of those 'special' people that God loves!

Nobody and even medical know much about covid and still now. Around 6 months ago, nobody knew what mutants will be, now killing EU. Some with 2 doses vaccine are positive again, some catch covid twice in less than 3 months. Wish weak to be protected not to die, and others will have to live with virus, mutants, and mask I hate. Have to wait virus will be bored of humans and prefer to return to beautiful pangolins.

[Mursenary]

Vets are smarter than human vets: virii scientists smarter than both..

Obviously an attempt at a dig but ranking and basing "smarts" on professional training is overly simplistic at best. You don't have to have elite intelligence to perform any of the the duties of your listed professions, just some above average baseline ability with dedicated hard work. There are plenty of robot-minded medical professionals that just did the grunt work to get to where they are. Alternatively, I know a lot of genius level engineers working routine maintenance jobs who either just chased money or became complacent with job security and family life.

That being said, vets must learn a larger breadth of anatomy and physiology, but in practice do not have to keep up with nearly as much of the ever changing advancements in medical science, not to mention navigating as many social / ethical obstacles and institutional / legal red tape when practicing their craft.

[Mursenary]

When UK have record for deaths in Europe = 126 000 , but seem 21 millions vaccine they got from EU, with now having around 50/60% vaccine, help for less deaths now there and I m happy for them. Unfortunately, they brought us their mutant now killing continental Europe on 2021, when lack of vaccine for our citizens, when we sent them our vaccine production. EU have to protect much more and wish heat will help, waiting to produce more vaccine and keeping for us, like do UK, US and India.

You say "sent" them vaccines. That doesn't paint the most accurate representation which would be that they deliberately purchased more vaccines. That implies that their government chose a more effective plan of action.

[Mursenary]

If everyone had followed the rules during the first lockdown, we would probably be in a much better situation now. Saying that we should not have rules because SOME people would go on and break them anyway is such an idiotic statement that does not even deserve an answer. What do walls have to do with Covid, your mind is so messed up, mate! You may be one of those 'special' people that God loves!

He may be using the point to push his personal position but he is right when he questions the efficacy of lock downs because people will ultimately not abide by the rules. You can tell people to eat healthy and exercise but most will not follow through. When the people are noncompliant with recommendations, what do you do? Keep with an ideal plan of care that works in theory but not effective in real life? Or prescribe the the antihypertensive and insulin to address their hypertension and diabetes?

What he doesn't distinguish and some others have alluded, they can be effective for a short while to buy time. But a year is a bit too much and is not practical, hence the promotion of mask wearing and vaccinations as the most practical strategies to solve the pandemic. But as we can see, there are parties who offer no effective strategies and only criticism at every strategy short of take Vitamin_D and lock up all the old people.

[Mursenary]

Anything to support the 20-30% claim? I know that it is claimed that some countries (eg Russia, Mexico, Brasil) undercount Covid deaths based on their excess mortality in 2020 but it wasn't a global phenomenon.

I have heard a lot more people claiming that Covid death numbers are exaggerated to make people comply with the restrictions.

Doubtful. On the other hand, while the accuracy of covid deaths should be questioned, we can track excess mortality in most countries to much greater accuracy.

Even in the countries with the largest excess deaths such as Mexico, Brazil, and Russia, max excess deaths sits around 50% with only a week here and there where excess deaths reached 100-200% but only for that week or month, not the entire year.

The claim that 3-5 x more deaths occurred is not backed up by the rise in total deaths.

Here's a resource that links to several of the world's excess death statistics, updated as they come.

https://github.com/akarlinsky/world_mortality

[Turgid]

...Otherwise, some of you older mongers can kiss "the chances of going back to FKK" goodbye for your lifetime....

Well, at least I'm grateful I have the memories such as Marie De. and Romanians Simona and Sarah, Oase, circa 2011.

[Pistons]

Fuck you nerd.

LOL! Way to try and distance yourself from your alternate handle.

[Rocky V]

People aren't sheep's, many will never follow the lockdown "rules", that's the human side of it. That's why I said lockdowns don't work. Same as even if you want people to follow border laws, illegals continue to cross the borders into Europe or USA unless you have walls. Laws alone without walls don't work. Same reason they have walls in the Frankfurt airport besides the polizei to check your visa and passport before you get in Germany. You get it now?

If everyone had followed the rules during the first lockdown, we would probably be in a much better situation now. Saying that we should not have rules because SOME people would go on and break them anyway is such an idiotic statement that does not even deserve an answer. What do walls have to do with Covid, your mind is so messed up, mate! You may be one of those 'special' people that God loves!

[Mursenary]

On his website Geert Vanden Bossche says "Mass infection prevention and mass vaccination with leaky Covid-19 vaccines in the midst of the pandemic can only breed highly infectious variants" first thing, right on top of his website.

Two important points to mention about this sentence.

First point, "leaky vaccines". Leaky vaccines are vaccines that don't significantly affect transmission. Sadly for you, there are more and more studies showing that the current vaccines significantly reduce transmission. Initially these studies were not a priority, but now they are showing up.

Second point, leaky vaccines breed highly infectious variants, because they put evolutionary pressure on the virus. Even this is debatable, but let me just point that all of UK variant, South African variant and Manaus variant showed up before mass vaccinations in those areas, because, duh, the more the virus circulates, the more likely for a new variant to show up.

Now, we could go into the rebuttals of the rest of his argumentation, but I'll just add his conclusion in his doc from 26.03 "I am now convinced that the only way to get rid of this pandemic is to use vaccines capable to eradicate C19 and all its variants. There can be no doubt that such vaccines ought to operate according to a completely different principle..

Admittingly, I don't often watch the long video links posted here, such as the ones posted by the OP.

But this rebuke to the OP's claim was conveniently ignored. Such is the norm.

[Sirioja]

Perhaps Shoobree and Mursenary need their own forum where they can flame. Let's get back to ravishing young beauties and a happy life like before COVID.

I'm always surprised, when no decision to save the world taken here, but when all guys claim to be clever businessman to girls, but most of them here and same on French language forum, are not clever enough to be able to accept other opinions, even we can disagree, but other opinions can be interesting, or not, but this is just call tolerance, open mind, cleverness, which seem quite rare for real in this business. When some bullshiting specialists more interested by guys than able with girls, when some fakers, but not so big problem to change my life or way to think, accepting other opinions. For some, even I won t invite him for holidays, even I don t understand he needs to tell about my girls when I don t name them to protect them from some of my followers or some girls asking me not to name them nor to write sexual or private details, even I'm really happy when some of my followers need to tell me my girls are not good for them, but they are not me, but Chongmal is not not what I call a faker troll, we just disagree, but at least I don't need to tell about his girls or to make his girls reading his writings, we have just very different behavior, maybe US versus France, when I also don't need to support clubs or girls business, when I don't care, but just look for woman types and needing to eat. As EMA told me on our last day, Friday 6 October 2017, when we started together as weekly usual, but when chatting later in the afternoon: today you can be happy, I have no business, so I'm fully free for you, same like on polizei controls I attended at LR, with guys leaving like rabbits, great days and also on our last one for me, even I refused on next week, but I wish her a great woman life and to be free for her money. At least, great conclusion for our sexual way together, when she was so low level on discovery, even at high level at this time LR since 3 weeks, but became so enjoyable improving so much, I think I could have gone weekly and only with her for as long she worked, but I need interesting attractive image.

As say girls, we are all different, and with different cultures, different educations and experiences with women, quite normal to have different opinions about girls and else.

[Sirioja]

But I said only 20-30% will be counted. Ergo at 3 m counted deaths, I predict 10-15 m has really died.

With Brazil, we will go much over 3 millions deaths on this year and when we have in France, people who had 2 doses vaccine and positive again after to covid, or famous football player Marco Verratti. It twice positive in less than 3 months, so not finished to spread from mutants, and will be deaths from consequences: mental, new poverty, economy problems, for next years. Fortunately, most people forget very fast.

[PaulInZurich]

I believe that vaccinations is the straightest line to solving the pandemic problem, obviously others do not.

HT's favorite virologist Geert Vanden Bossche believes that too. His quote from 26.03: "I am now convinced that the only way to get rid of this pandemic is to use vaccines capable to eradicate C19 and all its variants."

There might be a need for booster shots at some point, but the faster the current vaccines get in people's arms the less of a chance of a variant with real immunological escape. UK variant is under control in the UK where they had enough doses. While US should have solid vaccination rates by July, EU will take months longer, I wonder how many. And then there's the rest of the world.

[Chongmal]

Stop acting innocent, you're the instigator of bad behavior and unacceptable personal attacks against me and other members. You're the troll. You're the one guilty of being a hypocrite.

Please, show me where I attacked you, called you names, Trolled or Gaslighted you. I may as well throw what if and cancel in here just to cover down. Me too, I can't believe I used all that hypersensitive internet slang in one post. If I do decide to unleash on you it will be obvious.

[PaulInZurich]

But I said only 20-30% will be counted. Ergo at 3 m counted deaths, I predict 10-15 m has really died.

Anything to support the 20-30% claim? I know that it is claimed that some countries (eg Russia, Mexico, Brasil) undercount Covid deaths based on their excess mortality in 2020 but it wasn't a global phenomenon.

I have heard a lot more people claiming that Covid death numbers are exaggerated to make people comply with the restrictions.