Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus!

[Sirioja]

Let's see, on one side, Peter Sagan, 31 years, professional cyclist for 10+ years, 3 times World Champion, 7 times winner green Jersey, 12 Tour de France stages, 1 Giro stage, 4 Vuelta stages, winner at Flanders and Roubaix, 1 time European champion, countless half classics.

On the other side, random guy on the internet, 50+, claiming he is fitter than Sagan.

You claiming that you are more fit in any possible way is as believable as all your stories about "your" WGs how you make all of them cum and how they all want you.

Quod erat demonstrandum.

I never wrote I m faster than Sagan, did I? Did you read it from me? But I wrote if I give my alloy bicycle costing around 1000 € including climbing technique cassette with 32 and 36 to Davide Formolo. It if you know him and he is not even the best climber and you give your expensive light carbon bicycle to famous Peter Sagan, except on Poggio or Huy wall, Davide will always fuck Sagan on real climbing and everybody know this when knowing a bit about racers performances, when Davide is not Pantani, but nobody is afraid of Sagan on climbing for more than 10 kms or steep like Loze or Mortirolo or Zoncoan, when Davide was named Bora leader in mountain on Giro 2019, and professionnals using 32 on Zoncolan or Mortirolo, they don't climb on 24 or even 28. But my real meaning was the guy on the bicycle is much more important than 2 or 3 kilos saved on bicycle or electric gears, and Sagan is too heavy to be a real climber, when he is a powerful puncher. You want to explain me about gruppetto? When they were already far behind after col de la Madeleine, so they couldn't be so slow to finish on time, less than around 40 mn later I think, using team mates to lead to be on time, but just go with your light carbon and just try. I remember when I put down the car bicycle and prepared it putting on front wheel, topless with swim boxer short to breathe deeply, some people in Meribel asking me: you go to climb Loze? Yes. You know? No, didn't even look at profile, my mistake and climbed earlier on day Cormet Roselend, telling me: but it s terrible, answering: I m here for this, when Alpe Huez is easy for me when you climbed to la Garde if you know a bit, and I confirm some parts and steep wall on top are terrible, but I loved it and want to return on Summer, to improve to be faster than gruppetto, preparing better than for discovery and now I'm ready in mind to suffer for passion and better time. If you want we climb together on August? Great holidays for me. Other funny example could be: in Switzerland, I see many very expensive powerful cars when Swiss drive less than 120, sometimes even 80 on autobahns, my big problem there, and they find Basel or Bern far from Zurich or Geneva, I would buy a Dacia for this, also funny on Basel border, they accelerate, then you stick in their back and nobody over 200 but returning on right file, when with some cars could reach over 300 and legal in Germany on some parts, like on first 10 kilometers entering from Basel, or between north Bremen and south Hamburg, but same than for bicycle, the guy is more important than the car, to be able to push a bit, not true of course for Formula 1 where best car win. From my experience on 2020, with many visits and girls kissed, I didn't feel anything bad, even more than 50, only my bad mood from no ski, but I wish of course all those who need to get vaccine, but I won't run for, I prefer to clean my lungs on my topless climbing, even sometimes really cold on top, then breathing very deeply fresh, like I did on last Summer, but of course I m not Sagan who should better stop smoking, drinking beer and other substances of course, maybe don't help so much for strong health.

[Mursenary]

I totally agree that EU fucked up vaccine procurement. US hogged Pfizer and Moderna production, UK hogged AZ. Israel got all the vaccine they wanted because they paid more than anybody else per dose, and they give to Pfizer all the data that was asked. That data sharing agreement would be a tall mountain to achieve in the EU.

They didn't do themselves any favors with the AZ fears. From AZ age restrictions to halting AZ rollout for a blood clot incidence that was less than the rate of naturally occurring blood clots in the general population was a baffling move. The issues in the EU cannot all be blamed solely on supply.

[Mursenary]

That's because you sit in your ER in Southern US playing George Clooney, and you're clueless about how Europe 'works' and clueless about how incompetent Germany and Merkel really are.

Nah, been out the ER since June 2020. Rather, been "sitting" in ICUs in NY, Georgia, Florida, and Michigan. Thanks for the Clooney comparison though, flattered. I'm guessing being in Germany for an average of 50+ days per year with the exception of this past year puts me there much more than you. I wouldn't dare say that I know more about Germany than a resident, but your assumptions are based on faulty perceptions.

But see how I admitted that I incorrectly expected the cases to follow the path of the UK? Try it sometime, admitting error rather than stubbornly holding on to disproven theories will pave the way for constructive conversation that aims to use truth as a basis for policy rather than faulty logic to feed your pride. Re: Sweden versus World.

Imagine you have a fictional city of exactly 100 k inhabitants. Also imagine that you do 100% testing of al citizens, an extreme and unrealistic scenario, but this exaggeration is just to illustrate my point. Also assume that the PC test generates 1% false positive results. You automatically get an "Inzidenzwert" of 1000 per 100000 inhabitants!

We could just adjust the metric to account for false positives if testing rates got anywhere near that high. It's as simple as subtracting that 1% false positives from the total pool. Clinical correlation to actual cases of symptomatic patients would be necessary.

Translation: they are only testing healthy people without symptoms! Hahahahaha! So a fixed Incident Value of 35 + testing hundreds of thousands of healthy people without any symptoms + an x% of false positives = a Incident Value permanently 35.

Knowing the positive tests in asymptomatic carriers is helpful in determining how much the virus is actually circulating. Germany has shown that it values contact tracing which is a major reason why the initial cases in Bavaria last January were isolated early, buying more time to create a national plan of action.

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-exemplar-germany

Contact Tracing
Bavarian health authorities and scientists closely examinedand eventually brokethe chain of transmission among the first cluster of cases, which occurred at the end of January 2020 in Bavaria. Breaking this initial chain bought Germany critical time to design its response while yielding important lessons about how the disease is transmitted.28 By using a combination of epidemiological methods such as interviews and whole genome sequencing, the team was able to reconstruct and describe transmission events precisely. This research provided details on attack rates, incubation periods, and the serial interval, which enabled public health experts to estimate the potential size of the epidemic and decide on appropriate containment measures

Sweden.

Yes, and the alternative would have been much easier: allow young and healthy people to build herd immunity (could have been achieved by summer last year, because a virus will quickly 'burn itself out' if it can not find anymore hosts), whilst temporarily isolating the elderly and obese people at risk.

This is what a lot of scientists were advocating, but those scientists have all been censored in the MSM, and on YuTube, Twatter and Shitbook and we could have been fucking hotties in Sharks today with only 50 Euros entry fee before 14:00.

Should we have done nothing and let the disease run its course? In that scenario, Are we okay with NYC, Wuhan, and Lombardy situations all over the world? Do we let every hospital system in every major city in the world break down as they did in those first hard-hit areas?

Or should we have isolated only the elderly and at-risk population while letting everyone else resume normal activity? As seen with the Winter Holiday surge, even *with* restrictions, people still exposed their at-risk loved ones. So what would be the end game to release the at-risk from their banishment as they still continue to helplessly die off? Would it be, *gasp*, vaccines?.

Didn't you say that Sweden kept their society pretty open? Well it's March 2021 and they still never reached herd immunity. In fact, they remain amongst the top of EU nations in both total cases and current 7-day rolling average. While geographically isolated from the Eastern / Central European outbreak, they are seeing a surge independent of their geographic neighbors.

https://ourworldindata.org/explorers...~LVA~LTU<br />

Meanwhile, even with restrictions, holiday surges showed that people still spread to their elderly, obese, and at risk loved ones. Re: I'll continue beating that dead horse question. What better solution do you propose?

You continue to be consistent with your objections to the covid response. What are the chances that objective facts would lead one to believe that every single mainstream policy was wrong.

1. Lockdowns, wrong.

2. Masks, wrong.

3. Vaccines, wrong.

Considering your consistent one-sided and unwavering positions in combination with the regular infusion of political commentary, it highly suggests that you construct your coronavirus beliefs through a political lens rather than a practical one.

[Sirioja]

They made clusters in ski resorts because we let them enter the country, try to make a cluster in China? Each country can close the borders but business is more important than health like for many fucking prostitutes in covid times is more important than to stay safe at home.

Are you sure to know what really happen in China? When so many Chinese are afraid of their government, when some disappear. Even we have too many deaths in EU and France and we have to respect EU rules, reason why UK left but gave us their mutant, not coming from continental Europe, and I feel much more free and safe in my country. This killer virus didn't start in EU, where did it start? With lies from them.

[HammerTime96]

By the way, let's see if Germany's health minister 'Jasmina' Spahn will survive the scandal surrounding his 'husband' and a corrupt deal with face masks:

https://www.t-online.de/nachrichten/...es-mannes.html

Caption underneath the photo:

Gesundheitsminister Jens Spahn und sein Ehemann Daniel Funke: Das Unternehmen, für das Funke als Lobbyist tätig ist, hat Spahns Ministerium offenbar Masken verkauft.

My translation: 'Health minister Jens Spahn and his husband Daniel Funke: evidently the company for which Funke is working as a lobbyist, sold Spahn's ministry masks.'

Let's see if Captain Merkel of the Pirate-Ship "DDR 2.0" ties all the shit that has gone wrong during the last year (hint: almost everything) to Spahn, and then throws him overboard. LOL!

[HammerTime96]

How did China bring Covid under control? Super hard lockdown. Would that be the solution you propose, EU wide super hard lockdown? That would fly in a non totalitarian state like a lead balloon.

China will not do mass vaccinations?

"Now Beijing is shifting gears, aiming to inoculate 40% of its 1. 4 billion people by the end of June. " I would argue that sounds like mass vaccination.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN2B70S8

China will no do a vaccine passport? "China unveiled a vaccine passport this month that could be accessed through WeChat".

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-...thics/13252588

China is a country run by the fascist CCP, and unfortunately you're correct about vaccinations and the passport.

To say that.

How did China bring Covid under control? Super hard lockdown. Would that be the solution you propose, EU wide super hard lockdown? That would fly in a non totalitarian state like a lead balloon.

Na, I disagree because China has had many outbreaks since that "super hard lockdown" ended last year, and Covid is not "controlled" at all. The thing is: the fascist CCP learned from it's mistakes in January 2020, so they immediately block all communications, similar to North Korea. Sometimes some truth leaks out however, like this outbreak in February 2021: https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n307.

Fact is, Covid comes and goes, just like the ebb and flow of the ocean, and just like a normal flu season, regardless of lockdowns and masks. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN29O032.

If super hard lockdowns worked, it would not have spread beyond Wuhan in 2020, and even the WHO has recognized that lockdowns can only temporarily reduce the strain on the hospital system, but are completely useless in containing and eradicating a virus.

[Mursenary]

Both approaches are inaccurate. As you said, there is a selective bias, some of the people taking the test are more likely to be sick: either they have symptoms or they had someone sick in their close circle. But he has a point here: the way the data is communicated to the public is not really clear, and the more you test the more the incidence rate will increase. An increase in the incidence rate doesn't always mean that the virus is spreading faster, it can also mean that the test capacity increased, or that for one reason or another the share of people who are likely to be sick increased in the total number of people passing the test. Either way, the incidence rate communicated is inferior to the real incidence rate but will converge towards the real IR as the test capacity is increasing.

Without a doubt communication and messaging has been horrid. Even I had to search for clarity for the parameters of the 35 per 100 K statistic. If I am not mistaken, 35 cases means cases per week per 100 K inhabitants. That in itself was not made obviously clear. It is even more confusing since incidence is more often reported in daily cases, or the more useful 7-day daily average.

But I think it is important to point out what the increase in the value of the number would mean and what it does not mean. It should go without having to be explicitly said that testing more does not actually increase the incidence, it just gives you a higher but more accurate value for true incidence. That true value didn't change because we tested more, we just calculated a more accurate number. That fact is key to my question of one's primary motivation; are you interested in making policy off of the most accurate data possible or arbitrarily making it to a set number in order to get into a brothel faster?

That being said, I do understand why keeping the incidence set at 35 per 100 K per week is frustrating. Perhaps there is a reason 35 is an important number in calculating R_naught (0) but I am not familiar. 35 cases per 100 K inhabitants per week translates to a 7-day rolling average of 5 new cases per 100 K per day which is 50 positives per 1 million inhabitants per day. Germany is triple that at over 150 per million per day. As far as most western nations are from that number, it is not absurd and has been achieved in various geographically isolated countries like NZ, Australia, Japan, South Korea, etc. Currently, I see 2 European nations that meet the criteria, Iceland and Portugal.

https://ourworldindata.org/explorers...US DEU PRT ISL

Despite the criticisms of Germany on this board, they remain ahead of most of the rest of Europe in controlling COVID spread. It is even more commendable that they remain as low as they have despite bordering 9 other nations in which almost all have been seeing much higher rates of transmission.

https://ourworldindata.org/explorers...UX~DNK~CHE~BEL

If Portugal can get to the threshold, Germany can. My suggestion for people who continue to complain is to stop obstructing, try and help this along, and slap on a "face diaper. " God forbid that I make a recommendation to get vaccinated.

[Rocky V]

I totally agree that EU fucked up vaccine procurement. US hogged Pfizer and Moderna production, UK hogged AZ. Israel got all the vaccine they wanted because they paid more than anybody else per dose, and they give to Pfizer all the data that was asked. That data sharing agreement would be a tall mountain to achieve in the EU.

Each member state can get any vaccine they want if they want to negotiate as a single state. Hungary and Bulgaria, for example, also use the Russian vaccine. EU and India are the two largest exporters of vaccines to other countries, US has a complete ban on vaccine exports and UK has not exported a single dose out of the very few they produce. So, EU and India have started to close the vaccines taps to other countries, so they can get up to speed with their own vaccinations.

[PaulInZurich]

What is better 1 hard lockdown for 6 weeks and after that life back to normal, economy is booming or several lockdowns like in Europe and life not coming back to normal even 1 year after. I would from far prefer the Chinese solution.

I personally agree that harder longer EU wide lockdowns starting in November would have been better in the long run. At the same time allow entry in the EU only with recent negative test.

[BigBuddy69]

This might be news for you, there is this thing called mountain biking. I think in France they call it VTT. Plenty of steep climbs available with the added bonus of uneven terrain and reduced traction.

You just need the right gearing.

Well someone who has a 36 cog should know what a mountain bike is because 36 cogs are typically found on mountain bike cassettes. So if you put a mountain bike cassette on a road bike or on some kind of 'hybrid' thing with two wheels, yes it's easier to climb.

Actually in your nice country with well mannered policemen, they have a few mountain bike events with 4000 m or more of climbing like the infamous grand raid from verbier to grimentz.

I tried it a few times, never made it past the last gate because they stop you if you're too late. But for a great climber who trains 4 week a year, the last climb would be a piece of cake. You have 4000 m of climbing in the legs, still 800 m to go and basically its a wall, everyone is pushing or carrying.

[PaulInZurich]

As always, do things (including fucking in FKKs) in some moderation and you'll live longer and happier. Any addiction (driving 1800 kms from Paris to fuck some FKK WG), including being addicted to sports for an dopamine rush, is never a good thing.

We agree on this, moderation is good in everything. That guy had definitely too much stress in his life. Two kids, very expensive wife (but smoking hot), very stressful job, plus all the hours he was training.

[ExpatLover]

How did China bring Covid under control? Super hard lockdown. Would that be the solution you propose, EU wide super hard lockdown? That would fly in a non totalitarian state like a lead balloon.

China will not do mass vaccinations?

"Now Beijing is shifting gears, aiming to inoculate 40% of its 1. 4 billion people by the end of June. " I would argue that sounds like mass vaccination.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN2B70S8

China will no do a vaccine passport? "China unveiled a vaccine passport this month that could be accessed through WeChat".

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-...thics/13252588

Sorry but I have a lot of friends in China, I can speak Chinese, have a Chinese driving license. I am spending several hours per day on Wechat with Chinese people may be I am better informed that many so called journalists. What is better 1 hard lockdown for 6 weeks and after that life back to normal, economy is booming or several lockdowns like in Europe and life not coming back to normal even 1 year after. I would from far prefer the Chinese solution. When the countries are succeeding we always find a lot of counter example it is not a democracy. For sure the US and Europe usually 2 parties are leading the countries for the last 50 years give a very good example of democracy, like in France a very good example of the democracy 30% of the voters for FN of Marine LE Pen more or less no representatives despite having the highest voters.

[PaulInZurich]

Count on the middle of April, at the earliest.

https://www.bz-berlin.de/deutschland...or-mitte-april

'Not before the middle of April' and this has now been more or less rounded up to the 19th of April, see link below:

https://www.rtl.de/cms/corona-impfun...t-4721017.html

Today is the 21st, so roughly speaking this will only start 1 month from now.

As I said before: Germans couldn't organize a drinking party in a brewery.

I totally agree that EU fucked up vaccine procurement. US hogged Pfizer and Moderna production, UK hogged AZ. Israel got all the vaccine they wanted because they paid more than anybody else per dose, and they give to Pfizer all the data that was asked. That data sharing agreement would be a tall mountain to achieve in the EU.

[HammerTime96]

Please tell this to my buddy, 42 years old, sub 12 h ironman finisher, multiple marathons, half marathons and 10 k runs, was training for the Great Divide race 4900 km, did several grand fondos, then every winter ski touring.

He is now doing Reha for 4 month and still has to stop to catch up his breath going up a flight of stairs. Sure he is not a typical case, but see one case like this with your own eyes and maybe you don't just think, who cares if somebody's grandma is dead, she should have gone easier on the cake.

More proof that extreme sportsmen are not 'healthy?' I've heard this before, extremely fit endurance athletes having serious struggles with Covid19 and taking months to recover. The again, I also frequently hear of these "he-runs-marathons-he-never-drinks-never-smokes-how-could-this-happen?" 'healthy' athletes dying at an early age due to heart attacks, strokes or cancer.

As always, do things (including fucking in FKKs) in some moderation and you'll live longer and happier. Any addiction (driving 1800 kms from Paris to fuck some FKK WG), including being addicted to sports for an dopamine rush, is never a good thing.

That's why many religions and cultures have a fasting tradition (moderation and self-cleansing), and that's why in many parts of this world "irrational exuberance" (Alan Greenspan) is frowned upon.

Except of course in the US and UK, where "Big is Beautiful" and the Anglo-Saxon culture worships huge unnatural silicone tits, big plastic fuel-guzzling cars, big aircraft carriers and big armies ruining dozens of countries, financial exuberance on Wall Street, and supersize-me fast food meals with half a Gallon of sugary 'soft' drinks.

Bigger is not always better, and the same goes for extremist nutcases who run '4900 km Great Divide' marathons, or people who step into an MMA octagon and beat the shit out of each other.

P.S. I have tremendous respect for the willpower and physical capability to do those extreme sports, but as the Covid19 cases illustrate, it is not healthy in the long run.

[PaulInZurich]

... I think we was in grupetto on col de Loze at 5/6 km / h on steepest, and just for green suit and trying to win on Champs Elysees. ...

I'll explain for you how the grupetto works. People who don't care on that particular stage how they place, do as little effort as possible, just enough to not miss the time cut. They save energy for the future stages. So there are oodles of amateurs who went faster than the grupetto on some climb. What those amateurs need to understand is that A) they don't do 21 stages in 3 weeks B) they don't do the full stage before that particular climb and C) any of the pros could still go much faster if they have to and smoke the wannabees.

Just because he was in the grupetto on some stage, does not mean he can't go harder if he wants to.

Did Marc Madiot call you already? He could use a rider who is stronger than Sagan, assuming you don't want salary close to what Sagan makes (EUR 5.5 millions).