Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus!

[ShooBree]

What you say has absolutely no sense, I think you're suffering from a severe brain infection caused by the coronavirus.

Why is the bigtroll allowed to continuously attack and belittle other members of this forum? That worthless troll should be banned from this site.

[McAdonis]

I think a lot of your points unfortunately dates us as officially old dudes as many scenarios you describe are no longer the reality for today's kids. Today's fathers don't push their sons to have stone hearts anymore. Instead of watching sports on the couch after work, today's father might be taking his kid to a Crossfit class with him and have a low carb smoothie afterwards. It's now socially acceptable to raise an emotionally sensitive boy, it may actually even be encouraged. While parents may be alarmed if their daughters have the same video game habits as boys, they are not as concerned with the girl scrolling on her phone for hours and hours on end. These girls even spend hours playing mobile games themselves on their phones.

This brand of "woke" parents probably only became more prevalent after 2010. Ultimately, we will not know what type of adults their children become for another two or three decades. Old guys like us grew up with old-school gender norms and less technology. We grew up during an era where there was a stronger sense of community. If you needed your social fix, you had to leave your house and meet up with people, you could not just retreat into a dark room to find community. It is evident that many hardcore mongers, most of which were born between the 1960's and 1980's, missed out on these opportunities to socialize. Many of us lack the social intelligence to read social cues.

For girls and women, the relationships are much more subtle and definitely more calculating, a Game of Thrones energy really. The scenario of girls being friends with her tormentor is a charade. They're not really friends. If you think about it, I'm sure you can recall many female-female relationships that present as friendships but in realty they are just alliances for either beneficial gain for even sadomasochism as I think females actually enjoy the dramatics of social maneuvering. What's worse, the situation of the girl victim being fake friends with her bully may be even more psychosocially abusive as now she is a social captor likely subjected to the regular barrage of daily passive aggressive interactions, while not full blown conflict. Think the movie "Mean Girls."

To be clear, I never minimized the emotional trauma that girls face when they are bullied by their "fake-friends". I do believe this type of relational aggression results in more long-term psychological damage than the physical bruises that boys get. My main point is that girls get more practice with socializing than boys do, and this is true even pre-adolescent, before the opposite sex comes into the picture. If anything, all this social maneuvering that 8 year old girls do only heightens their ability to read social situations and read social cues. Look, I experience this more when interacting with men than women: monopolization of conversations, excessive bragging, not realizing that other party is bored or annoyed, inability to see something from someone else's shoes, etc. That said, I do realize that some people have the social awareness to know that they are turning off their conversational partner, and perhaps just don't care. But I assume most are attempting to connect with their conversational partner, but just have poor social skills. Or maybe I am wrong, and they are just self-centered people looking for someone to hear them complain about life or talk about themselves. In any case, the foundation for strong social skills would have been established in early childhood.

In human children, studies have found a direct link between the amount of social practice they get and their social skills. In one group of Portuguese pre-schoolers, those who increased their social engagement experienced a corresponding boost to their social abilities, while participating in afterschool activities has been repeatedly shown to help even sport. Meanwhile, children who have more siblings tend to be more adept at navigating the social world, and as with adults, children who spend more time alone are more susceptible to interpreting social situations in self-defeating ways.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20201022-how-solitude-and-isolation-can-change-how-you-think

People who lack human relationships also seem to be more prone to obsessions and fantasies. I would guess that many hardcore mongers had other solitary hobbies before coming to this world (other than porn consumption):

Apart from the inability to form relationships, loners also prefer to stick to familiar routines and are often thrown by slight changes in circumstances. Like Robert, they can be arrogant, overestimating their own abilities. As children, loners tend to have special interests verging on obsessions - coin collecting, train-spotting, electronics - pursued single-mindedly and alone. Others create a fantasy world into which they can periodically withdraw: one child invented an island with its own language, legal and political system. The fantasy began when he was four and persisted into adult life. These obsessions and fantasies seem to replace normal human relationships.

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/please-just-leave-me-alone-1584161.html.

[BigBuddy69]

What you say has absolutely no sense, I think you're suffering from a severe brain infection caused by the coronavirus.

[Sirioja]

When I like so much to share about passion, on my sports, even sometimes a bit complicate to communicate with foreigners, but really interesting to share a bit of passion, each one on own level, facing yourself for level, but really enjoyable and even giving new energy. Sometimes meeting while climbing, and climbing together for a while, even not speaking much, not to waste energy, but you hear breathe rhythm and you know. More complicated on extreme free ride, but when sometimes arriving above a blind hidden spot like above Chancel lake la Grave la Meije, impossible to see below, but since 2003, now I know a bit for 2 spots, even never the same, but at least I know the way and for rocks everywhere, so sometimes opening the run for others and keeping on together for a while, feeling so alive after such run, we are all smiling, sharing our sensations, really interesting. When guys in brothels, from their behavior and words about women, like some write here from their porn culture, and when you know about stories for few here and you saw them, so pathetic and laughable compare to what they write, really not interesting level for me, I only drive for girls, but not to find a prostitute girlfriend like some here, when I don't share my girlfriends, but just for easy, fast, with no risk pleasure, when girls may think I'm in love because they are not used to such way with women, but you control all as some say, when I don't look for a girlfriend working in brothels, not even for escort, when I don't need their money, even when I meet for 15 hours on a month, but never proposed anything out of club. Woman image and behavior is just enough for my pleasure, and when you had women in real life, then You know the big difference. I really don't need to make brothels friends, when I don't need to get information about girls nor to ask to find a girl, when I have my eyes and brain to choose. Many followers went to my girls, being disappointed, made me laugh and was happy about that. We are different as say girls, so, they are different with us, and I like when they trust me following my game and return to repeat, when I won't run after to repeat, they know, they can judge, they are free to decide, as sang Dolores O Riordan with Irish Cranberries.

[Sirioja]

If the virus mutants are as harmless as the original sars cov2 was in winter / spring 2020.

(at the peak mid April, 3000 ill people needed a ventilator, Germany easily has 1000 hospitals who are able to handle many covid19 victims, so an average of 3 covid19 victims per hospital, far far away from collapsing).

And government don't start to double up the number of weekly tests in the near future, than the hairdressers are going to open from the 1st of March again. Good news. You know what was the explanation of government for opening the hairdressers?

Because a order, fresh haircut is hygienic!

Maybe Angie and her 16 MP's, plus a few corrupt scientists should take a look in history. As public enemies, people who didn't fit in the system and the Jewish people were sitting in concentration camps. These people had very hygienic haircuts, the whole head was completely shaved.

Hygienic haircuts.

Isn't Germany suffering much more, with much more deaths, since end of 2020 than under first wave 1 year ago? In north of France, more than 20% cases are UK variant and in East of France, very close to Germany, 500 south African and Brazilian cases when nobody was found coming from these countries or close, so I m pretty sure quite same in our German neighbour and don't Germany forbid UK and not EU, when not good for German economy, as also not good for France nor Spain which also forbid UK. And unfortunately, not enough vaccine in EU to protect our weak people, Germany thinking about Russian sputnik. I really wish France will get enough vaccine for at risk people, but even I love Russia, Russian beauties, but wish won t buy sputnik, for Navalnyi, when Russians didn't even try to get French medical administration allowance at the moment. I m afraid 2021 will kill more than 2020 did. EU closing being to try to protect our citizens, when original and mutants were not born in continental EU.

[PumDiPum]

If the virus mutants are as harmless as the original sars cov2 was in winter / spring 2020.

(at the peak mid April, 3000 ill people needed a ventilator, Germany easily has 1000 hospitals who are able to handle many covid19 victims, so an average of 3 covid19 victims per hospital, far far away from collapsing).

And government don't start to double up the number of weekly tests in the near future, than the hairdressers are going to open from the 1st of March again. Good news. You know what was the explanation of government for opening the hairdressers?

Because a order, fresh haircut is hygienic!

Maybe Angie and her 16 MP's, plus a few corrupt scientists should take a look in history. As public enemies, people who didn't fit in the system and the Jewish people were sitting in concentration camps. These people had very hygienic haircuts, the whole head was completely shaved.

Hygienic haircuts.

Everybody in Germany with dreadlocks, everybody who knows someone who had dreadlocks once in lifetime, everybody who had or has long hair to make a political statement, everybody who has dry head skin from too much chemical shampoo, get up, stand up!

A bit over 2. 3 million positive test results so far. Close to 2. 1 million are officially recovered. Even without a specific Corona medicine, Germany has a recovery rate of 90.3%. Don't be afraid, just careful.

I don't talk about the death, because the saying goes "rest in peace" not "rest in propaganda".

83.6 million German citizens, 159.300 active cases. Only 0. 19% of the citizens are currently, officially infected.

Warning!

[Sirioja]

What's a "medical"? What's a "draws"?

Don't you know that there like already 5 other approved vaccines besides AZ?

Maybe you don't know that AZ is different than the rest because it is a DNA vaccine, not an mRNA or attenuated live viral vaccine? Maybe you don't know that the AZ study in Africa produced zero cases of severe disease, only mild and moderate symptoms. Maybe you don't know that while AZ vaccine is not the best, it is still good enough to decrease the number of people from becoming hospitalize and dying. Maybe you don't know that South Africa is moving forward with the Johnson and Johnson vaccine because it WAS proven effective in South Africa. Maybe you don't know that JJ, while less efficacious than the Moderna and Pfizer, is more easily stored and can be given in one single dose. Maybe you don't know that JJ vaccine is better suited to be administered in poor countries where they don't have negative 30 see freezers, where the infrastructure and rural areas makes it even more difficult to get people to come back for a second shot? Maybe you don't know that is actually okay because the poorest countries are also the countries with the youngest people so don't need the most potent vaccine..

But for real, when only Pfizer and AZ at the moment in EU, waiting for Moderna, I know EU decided to close inside borders because of mutants already spreading and UK are forbidden in Germany or Spain and nothing about brexit. My job being much more complicated now about safety with french administration, can't work now from my car. But never forget Sharks story and for another French with Bob Marley daughter at LR, so can you imagine what I can think about such level of desperate guys writing here, just laughable when I know and saw looks, when no girl can 't say same story about me. I doubt my girls would give much details about our sex.

[Sirioja]

Listening to the proper medical experts and scientists I certainly wouldn't be concerned about receiving the AZ vaccine, in fact living in the UK I'm likely to receive it.

I would much prefer to have it than nothing at all when it's clearly shown to currently stop hospitalizations, serious illness & prevent death with all the current variants.

In France, they give UK AZ to less than 65 and medical. Don't UK plan other injection after AZ? Versus mutants.

[Mursenary]

With boys, the victim tends to be permanently excluded from the group. With girls, it is more common for the victim to be friends with her bully. So when she is on good terms with her bully, the opportunities to socialize still exist, until ofc the next falling out occurs.

I would agree, compared to boys, girls have a greater need to be part of the group. If a girl gets bullied, she will work harder to gain approval of the friendship group that temporarily banished her, or she will seek out a different friendship group. Boys who are bullied go play in the sandbox by themselves.

Like you say, this archetype probably had friends at one time, and then later on in life made the choice to lead a solitary life. I don't claim to be the most emotional intelligent person in the world, but I can somewhat read social cues. But some guys I have met in the club? They have borderline Aspergers. It seems evident that they have not had many opportunities to socialize.

The scenario you paint probably wouldn't materialize until the lower-tier woman reached her teens, after she had already experienced ten years of bullying. But the point is valid, because a socially rejected girl may get boost of self-esteem, and then start making attempts to socialize, undoing some of that early childhood trauma. The socially rejected boy, who does not receive attention from the opposite sex, will see his self-esteem plummet even further during adolescence.

I think we have very differing views on female psychology, the sociology behind their relationships, and the way those principals manifest themselves in the group setting.

I think a lot of your points unfortunately dates us as officially old dudes as many scenarios you describe are no longer the reality for today's kids. Today's fathers don't push their sons to have stone hearts anymore. Instead of watching sports on the couch after work, today's father might be taking his kid to a Crossfit class with him and have a low carb smoothie afterwards. It's now socially acceptable to raise an emotionally sensitive boy, it may actually even be encouraged. While parents may be alarmed if their daughters have the same video game habits as boys, they are not as concerned with the girl scrolling on her phone for hours and hours on end. These girls even spend hours playing mobile games themselves on their phones.

In my worldview, I believe that it is easier to read a room full of men or boys to get a sense of the hierarchy, alliances, and any existing tensions. If it were a medieval court, it would be easy to figure out who were the noblemen, who were the knights, and who were the court jesters.

For girls and women, the relationships are much more subtle and definitely more calculating, a Game of Thrones energy really. The scenario of girls being friends with her tormentor is a charade. They're not really friends. If you think about it, I'm sure you can recall many female-female relationships that present as friendships but in realty they are just alliances for either beneficial gain for even sadomasochism as I think females actually enjoy the dramatics of social maneuvering. What's worse, the situation of the girl victim being fake friends with her bully may be even more psychosocially abusive as now she is a social captor likely subjected to the regular barrage of daily passive aggressive interactions, while not full blown conflict. Think the movie "Mean Girls."

We can chalk off this Machiavellian social dynamic as not developing until adolescence, but in recent years I have been surprised by the manipulative behaviors seen in the daughters of my friends. My peer group consists of parents of children from infants to early teens. Let me tell you, the age that scares me the most is the 5-10 year old kids, not the tweens and teenagers. In the 80's and 90's, Junior High was when kids generally divided into groups of cool kids, nerdy kids, dorky kids, rich kids, poor kids, etc. That's sort of when the the manipulative behaviors would arise, the cattiness, the snarkiness, etc.

Today, I think those dynamics arise earlier. The way I see these 8 year old girls manipulate their peers and even adults, it's scary. Extrapolating this to a school environment where kids are free to form their own groups and hierarchies with minimal adult supervision, I can imagine how twisted the social webs of 3rd and 4th grade classes can be. Think "Lord of the Flies".

Thinking back to my days as literally the only Asian-American kid in the American Deep South surrounded by mostly low income blacks and whites whose parents were largely culturally ignorant, I was definitely ostracized regularly. School bus rides home were especially dreaded as that's when the boys really tested each other as a single adult bus driver cannot see what's happening in the back of a 10 meter school bus. But many other boys were bullied by the same handful of asshole kids. As such, I can't recall a situation where there was a boy who literally had no friends or allies at all.

I think that is another key gender difference. With the girls, they are all capable of being super cunts to each other, that's their game. Boys, on the other hand, usually just have to deal with a handful of assholes that go around trying to make life hell for other kids. A bullied boy is hardly ever the only one.

[McAdonis]

Isn't the social rejection the root cause of the psychological issues or do we believe that the physical part of bullying is the key difference? I would actually say that psychological bullying and social rejection is more detrimental to women because they evolutionarily need the group more than men.

With boys, the victim tends to be permanently excluded from the group. With girls, it is more common for the victim to be friends with her bully. So when she is on good terms with her bully, the opportunities to socialize still exist, until ofc the next falling out occurs.

Bullying among friends, also known as relational bullying, stems from a natural tendency to develop an identity based on your friends. Young people often join groups defined by who is included or excluded, experts say, but it crosses the line when it becomes a sustained campaign to hurt someone who is not currently "in."

https://edition.cnn.com/2013/10/29/living/bullying-friends/index.html.

Girls use exclusion as a way to both maintain social status and keep others from obtaining social status. Girls within a friendship group can also exclude their own friends. These alliances within a friendship group can change from week to week and sometimes, day to day. In some cases, a girl may never really know where she stands in her group, and this uncertainty can cause stress and anxiety.

https://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/surviving-relational-aggression-tips-for-adults-and-girls-0315174

I would agree, compared to boys, girls have a greater need to be part of the group. If a girl gets bullied, she will work harder to gain approval of the friendship group that temporarily banished her, or she will seek out a different friendship group. Boys who are bullied go play in the sandbox by themselves.

After all, there is the male lonewolf archetype that is okay on his own. But that's usually the kind of guy who prefers that path, not thrown into it due to social rejection. The type of guy who can live by himself for a month in a cabin in the woods with only a monthly visit in town to restock supplies (and perhaps the visit to that western saloon for a whiskey and a session with a prostitute.). Actually I do know a 60 year old loner who hates going into the city but every time he does he visits an Asian Massage parlor.

Like you say, this archetype probably had friends at one time, and then later on in life made the choice to lead a solitary life. I don't claim to be the most emotional intelligent person in the world, but I can somewhat read social cues. But some guys I have met in the club? They have borderline Aspergers. It seems evident that they have not had many opportunities to socialize.

Just a theory, I believe the effect would be the same if women were not in the position of desire by men. Even the lowest tier women would stumble across a man who would desire her, even pay for her. Or the fact that we all know the girls with no female friends but end up becoming accepted by a group of dorky males. I think girls are saved from the path of becoming m internet weirdos or mass shooters, not because female psychological bullying is less detrimental, but rather because women can always find a group of males that would include her in group activities. As such, even the bullied girls are provided a path for social development.

The scenario you paint probably wouldn't materialize until the lower-tier woman reached her teens, after she had already experienced ten years of bullying. But the point is valid, because a socially rejected girl may get boost of self-esteem, and then start making attempts to socialize, undoing some of that early childhood trauma. The socially rejected boy, who does not receive attention from the opposite sex, will see his self-esteem plummet even further during adolescence.

Society and parents play a role as well. A little girl that gets bullied, will be comforted when she runs home crying. She will be encouraged to express her emotional pain. Society expects boys to stand up to their bullies, and not show emotional vulnerability, so boys who get bullied are more likely to hide the fact that they were bullied out of shame. And that emotional pain gets bottled up, and it festers. If a parent sees their ten-year old daughter, sitting in a dark room, playing video games 16 hours a day, that parent will probably intervene. With boys, some parents might find this behavior acceptable.

[Canary]

I m not a medical, but maybe you didn't hear, despite your draws, UK telling their Aztra which is for less than 65, would not be efficient versus south African, when UK, south African and Brazilian already spreading in Western Europe which decided to close borders, even inside, to prevent big spreading of mutants, when original is at home in Europe since a while. Once again, not my decision when I would prefer to go to ski, but EU decision and I trust them about trying to save life. Didn't you also hear about Californian mutant and California which was down under few weeks ago? For my job, I have to listen news daily, to try not to have too big problems.

Listening to the proper medical experts and scientists I certainly wouldn't be concerned about receiving the AZ vaccine, in fact living in the UK I'm likely to receive it.

I would much prefer to have it than nothing at all when it's clearly shown to currently stop hospitalizations, serious illness & prevent death with all the current variants.

[Turgid]

Small side note. My workplace is easily 70% women. Believe me when I say that bullying in the female world is just as ferocious, perhaps much more, especially bullying of the mental variety....

Female bosses may not harass you sexually but they can make your work life very difficult. I once refused the advances of a female work mate, then she became my boss and made my work life a living hell.

[Paulie97]

Same thing as saying when you have a blueprint for a bridge, it cannot be ruled out that a double sided dildo would be constructed by accident. You're not technically wrong. But, probability and statistics. And burden of proof.

Still waiting for your DNA alteration source. Autoimmune side effects source?Crickets.

Monger forums, for whatever reason, are an endless sea of logical fallacies. This just goes to demonstrate that the ability to pay for pussy in no way implies that one is educated and / or honest.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof

[Mursenary]

I m not a medical, but maybe you didn't hear, despite your draws, UK telling their Aztra which is for less than 65, would not be efficient versus south African, when UK, south African and Brazilian already spreading in Western Europe which decided to close borders, even inside, to prevent big spreading of mutants, when original is at home in Europe since a while. Once again, not my decision when I would prefer to go to ski, but EU decision and I trust them about trying to save life. Didn't you also hear about Californian mutant and California which was down under few weeks ago? For my job, I have to listen news daily, to try not to have too big problems.

What's a "medical"? What's a "draws"?

Don't you know that there like already 5 other approved vaccines besides AZ?

Maybe you don't know that AZ is different than the rest because it is a DNA vaccine, not an mRNA or attenuated live viral vaccine? Maybe you don't know that the AZ study in Africa produced zero cases of severe disease, only mild and moderate symptoms. Maybe you don't know that while AZ vaccine is not the best, it is still good enough to decrease the number of people from becoming hospitalize and dying. Maybe you don't know that South Africa is moving forward with the Johnson and Johnson vaccine because it WAS proven effective in South Africa. Maybe you don't know that JJ, while less efficacious than the Moderna and Pfizer, is more easily stored and can be given in one single dose. Maybe you don't know that JJ vaccine is better suited to be administered in poor countries where they don't have negative 30 see freezers, where the infrastructure and rural areas makes it even more difficult to get people to come back for a second shot? Maybe you don't know that is actually okay because the poorest countries are also the countries with the youngest people so don't need the most potent vaccine.

Didn't you hear that the South African, UK, and California variants also came from places where case number have been decreasing the entire time you have been ranting about the scary mutants?

Watch the news for your job? Hah! It IS my job. While you get your facts from laymen news reporters, it's actually my job to know. And how do I verify the facts? From Infectious Disease doctors who are specialist, much more informed than myself, not by reading a headline meant to be sensational in order to drive more readers and viewers.

And also, it's obvious that you let your personal contempt drive your bias.

At least you're not like the other fringe conspiracy nut jobs who I believe to actually be rooting for the virus and against the vaccine. Twisted people they are.

[Mursenary]

The hair, the stare, everything look familiar. As for the second one, I thought he was hiding in a grotto, not under some stairs or behind a pillar?

Every so often the baby troll must come out from under his bridge. Usually he blocks the bridge so no one can cross and claims that all the people come from all over the world because they desire to be him, when it fact, the people just want him to stop blocking the fucking path so they can continue on their journey.