Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus!

[Gino02]

Tesla CEO Elon Musk reported on Twitter that he may have tested positive for the coronavirus after taking four tests half of which came back positive.

"Something extremely bogus is going on." Musk wrote Thursday evening.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/business...s-15725398.php

[Gino02]

Gov. Newsom in hot water over reported birthday party discouraged by CA's COVID-19 protocol.

(https://www.radio.com/kcbsradio/news...id-19-protocol).

This guy is allowed to run a state in USA that's half the population of Germany!

[Palcon]

Great! Believe what you want believe, many people do that, exactly as I wrote responding to Poly.

You realize a majority of Trump supporters don't have a college degree right? Or is that fake news too?

[Rocky V]

Great! Believe what you want believe, many people do that, exactly as I wrote responding to Poly.

No need to 'believe', you just have to look at facts. You are entitled to your opinions but not to your own facts. This pandemic is hard to defeat because there are too many people, who consider a youtube video as trustworthy as medical doctor.

[Pessimist]

Poly,

Good honest attempt, but I doubt you can change the minds and beliefs of most the sheeples with all these real scientific proof-points. These folks have already drank so much kool-aid from the MSM as instructed by their Democrat demagogues that very likely they lost most brain cells to do any independent thinking. I wouldn't exactly blame them though, a lot of people are born with such defects that they get influenced by the libtard kool-aids too easily, not their fault. That said, thank you for the information, reinforces what I (and probably many guys here with independent thinking) already knew at a high-level, and that makes me (and us to) feel more confident going forward in life. Hope we can go FKK-ing again soon.

Wow.

What a post!

Earlier you called me a condescending douchebag keyboard warrior and said "you know nothing about me". Fair enough.

Now, the descriptives you have in your comment are: (a) sheeples (b) will not accept real scientific proofs 9 c) drank kool-aid (d) instructed by Dem demagogues (e) lost most brain cells (f) no independent thinking (g) born with these defects (h) libtard (I) kool-aid repeated (j) lack of independent thinking repeated coupled with a self patting about having an abundance of independent thinking.

If only you had printed another paragraph, you would have circled all the English alphabets.

When I disdained your comment in which you made some nonsensical observation about insider trading and thereafter showed that you were absolutely clueless about the subject, my condescension as it were, was limited only to you personally and limited to the subject you initiated your comment on.

Here however, you decided to throw shit at perhaps half the country or more (whoever fits your definition of libtards), and then did not limit your comment to one subject (such as Covid) but everything in life.

I am guess you were born w / o a sense of irony (in addition to having no clue about insider trading) based strictly on what you demonstrated in your comments so far.

[Gino02]

I don't understand why you need to bring politics Democrats vs Republicans into the discussion of a viral pandemic. It may be a sign of mental confusion of some sort. You keep considering mortality rates as the only aspect of this virus that is worth considering. You fail to consider that we still don't know the long-term effects of this virus on pregnant women, fetuses, children etc. Persistent Covid symptoms lasting for many months have been recorded in the medical literature and it has already impacted many people around the world. Also, the ICU beds in hospitals are not being filled with dolls, but with real suffering people. Some of which may well have been like this guy, who thought it was all a hoax: https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...id-party-texas.

Great! Believe what you want believe, many people do that, exactly as I wrote responding to Poly.

[Rocky V]

Poly,

Good honest attempt, but I doubt you can change the minds and beliefs of most the sheeples with all these real scientific proof-points. These folks have already drank so much kool-aid from the MSM as instructed by their Democrat demagogues that very likely they lost most brain cells to do any independent thinking. I wouldn't exactly blame them though, a lot of people are born with such defects that they get influenced by the libtard kool-aids too easily, not their fault. That said, thank you for the information, reinforces what I (and probably many guys here with independent thinking) already knew at a high-level, and that makes me (and us to) feel more confident going forward in life. Hope we can go FKK-ing again soon.

I don't understand why you need to bring politics Democrats vs Republicans into the discussion of a viral pandemic. It may be a sign of mental confusion of some sort. You keep considering mortality rates as the only aspect of this virus that is worth considering. You fail to consider that we still don't know the long-term effects of this virus on pregnant women, fetuses, children etc. Persistent Covid symptoms lasting for many months have been recorded in the medical literature and it has already impacted many people around the world. Also, the ICU beds in hospitals are not being filled with dolls, but with real suffering people. Some of which may well have been like this guy, who thought it was all a hoax: https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...id-party-texas.

[Pistons]

Twenty percent of Swedish own their own summer home and 50 percent have access to one via friends and family: https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article...tion-obsession.

This percentage is actually higher among Norwegians and Finns than among swedes. About 50% higher.

Maybe why we both beat the swedes in distancing. Who knows?

[Mursenary]

I mean, let's just give you the assumption that mortality is similar to the flu (it's not but let's just give you that.).

You still have to account for the much higher infectious rate (ease of spread).

Factors for higher infection include, but are not limited to, tighter binding of the virus to the host receptor (binding to sugar molecules in flu versus tighter protein-protein binding in Sars-Cov2) and a much longer latent period for which carriers can infect the general population (up to 14 times longer.).

This leads to more cases. It's just a mathematical truth even without considering the pathogenesis of disease. Simply put, even if mortality is the same (again, it's not,) if 1% of 1000 people die of the flu, that is 10 deaths, but with 10000 being infected at 1% mortality, you have 100 deaths due to Covid19.

Again, we're not even factoring the fact that the population has developed some baseline immunity to the familiar flu versus to very few people having ever been exposed Sars-Cov like viruses. The likelihood of clinical manifestations developing upon exposure decreases the rate of undiagnosed cases with coronavirus infection. This in turn, decreases the difference between case mortality and infectious mortality rates.

I think I've previously hammered the fact that while everyone is using mortality to judge the severity of the pandemic, hospitalizations, even without death, is not being considered by random people who just want to validate their ill-conceived positions regarding this topic.

Furthermore can we put an end to the stupid idea that covid19 is a respiratory disease like the flu? It's an endothelial disease that starts with the lungs but exerts many more deleterious sequelae via an inflammatory reaction effecting cells that line the vessels of the body I. E. Cardiovascular, endocrine, and hepatic disease.

I can't believe we're still debating these points.

https://www.uptodate.com/contents/co...and-prevention#H1299415271.

https://link.springer.com/article/10...91-020-00919-0

I thought it might be worth cross-posting something that was on the Philippine thread.

On this thread ShooBree has made a similar point. The important statistic is not the CFR (which the media hypes up) but the IFR.

https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3410:

fatality ratio estimates now range from 0.02% to 0.86%, with a median of 0.26%,18 similar to that for seasonal flu.

https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_...20.265892.pdf:

In people < 70 years, infection fatality rates ranged from 0.00% to 0.31% with crude and corrected medians of 0.05%.

[Turgid]

Short answer: Nope.

Long answer: Can't believe China as usual. And the evidence is all over the map about lockdowns and masking, really nothing to conclude IMHO.

So China the world's most populous country must have tens of millions of infections and over a million deaths from covid 19 at this time instead of eighty thousand infections and four thousand deaths.

[Gino02]

I thought it might be worth cross-posting something that was on the Philippine thread.

On this thread ShooBree has made a similar point. The important statistic is not the CFR (which the media hypes up) but the IFR.

https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3410:

fatality ratio estimates now range from 0.02% to 0.86%, with a median of 0.26%,18 similar to that for seasonal flu.

https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_...20.265892.pdf:

In people < 70 years, infection fatality rates ranged from 0.00% to 0.31% with crude and corrected medians of 0.05%.

Poly,

Good honest attempt, but I doubt you can change the minds and beliefs of most the sheeples with all these real scientific proof-points. These folks have already drank so much kool-aid from the MSM as instructed by their Democrat demagogues that very likely they lost most brain cells to do any independent thinking. I wouldn't exactly blame them though, a lot of people are born with such defects that they get influenced by the libtard kool-aids too easily, not their fault. That said, thank you for the information, reinforces what I (and probably many guys here with independent thinking) already knew at a high-level, and that makes me (and us to) feel more confident going forward in life. Hope we can go FKK-ing again soon.

[Paulie97]

Got to love how some people here assumes some others don't know something without even having a conversation about it. Basement keyboard warrior syndrome much? Or is that what's called a Condescending Douchebag? Even worse is that apparently these people's choice will run the world next 4 years? Mankind is doomed.

You call people "sheeple" then complain when there's return fire? See photo attachment for sheeple. Snap out of it man. You've been had by a con. Thankfully he is removed from power very soon. Best wishes, seriously.

Oh yea and here's the link that was meant to be included in my last post, forgot.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2019-2020.html

[Paulie97]

I thought it might be worth cross-posting something that was on the Philippine thread.

On this thread ShooBree has made a similar point. The important statistic is not the CFR (which the media hypes up) but the IFR.

https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3410:

fatality ratio estimates now range from 0.02% to 0.86%, with a median of 0.26%,18 similar to that for seasonal flu.

https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_...20.265892.pdf:

In people < 70 years, infection fatality rates ranged from 0.00% to 0.31% with crude and corrected medians of 0.05%.

None of your links work. Flu mortality estimates are well below 0.1 percent worldwide (not 0.26), and at about. 06 in the US this past season. The flu also doesn't cause bodies to spill into the streets into refrigerated trucks if available or cause ICU units to frequently be stretched to the limits as is the case in the US and elsewhere at the moment. It also doesn't kill 250 K Americans in a season as Covid has thus far or cause long hauler syndromes in survivors. It though amazes me the morons that complain about "media hype" while they sell an array of bogus, agenda driven arguments equating Covid with the flu, arguing that "herd immunity" is achieved at 20% infected, masks don't work, Democrats steal elections but leave guys like Lindsey Graham and Mitch McConnell in office, and the list goes on.

P.S. If you got those links and analysis off a monger website buyer beware as adherents to the Trump cult are legion. With that I'm done, at least until the end of the year as I have extra work during this time. Enjoy.

[Polyamorist]

I thought it might be worth cross-posting something that was on the Philippine thread.

I think you're talking about case fatality rates.

The important number is infection fatality rates.

As researchers like us have learned more about the spread of the virus, we have discovered that the total number of infected people is far greater than the number of confirmed cases. For example in New York, it was more than 10 times the previously announced infection rate.

When deaths from COVID-19 are divided by the total number of cases not just reported cases you get a statistic called the infection fatality rate (IFR). The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention currently has a best guess of 0. 26%% for the IFR.

On this thread ShooBree has made a similar point. The important statistic is not the CFR (which the media hypes up) but the IFR.

https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3410:

fatality ratio estimates now range from 0.02% to 0.86%, with a median of 0.26%,18 similar to that for seasonal flu.

https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_...20.265892.pdf:

In people < 70 years, infection fatality rates ranged from 0.00% to 0.31% with crude and corrected medians of 0.05%.

[Pessimist]

Great! Looks like you really know a lot about me. LOL not.

Now, if Pfizer had announced 90% efficacy of the vaccine day (or even an hour) after that stock trade, that would have been clean. Or let's say announce that the vaccine is 80% effective before the election, that would have been clean too.

Now, about conspiracy theories, go talk to Bob Mueller.

Making any sort of trade when Bourla was in possession of market moving info would be illegal.

It is a little sad and embarrassing that I have to even explain this. Perhaps you have never traded a stock in your life. That may explain this utter lack of awareness and absolute misconception.

"Illegal insider trading refers generally to buying or selling a security, in breach of a fiduciary duty or other relationship of trust and confidence, on the basis of material, nonpublic information about the security."

https://www.investor.gov/introductio...nsider-trading

"Insider trading violations may also include "tipping" such information" -- The reason I said in a prior comment that "did you know the time series data about efficacy of the vaccine changed over time?" is due to this line. If ever you are in possession of any market moving info and you carelessly pass it on to other people, you are in serious violation of SEC rule and can go to prison even if you personally did not benefit from such action yourself. My friendly advice: never ever do it.

And what is the crack re: Mueller supposed to be? Mueller certainly did not investigate any insider issues. If it is some sort of pent up anger you are feeling inside related to the impeachment I can't help you there. Trump is one of the very few presidents who lost popular vote both elections he contested, got impeached, and is a one termer. He is facing a ton of legal suits from Manhattan the, tax authorities, and numerous sexual assault lawsuits after he leaves the office. No wonder he is seriously considering pardoning himself.

Oh yeah, you can call me a condescending douchebag to my face. No need to be coy about it in a separate comment.