Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus!

[ShooBree]

You have to cut Wolverine Gino some slack. As I recall, he never posted any comments bemoaning lack of masks among "the thousands of audience at the massive Trump rallies while Sleepy could not attract even a dozen people to his teleprompter readings, which surely signaled an impending Trump win" as their side kept telling us prior to the election. Now he is shocked to observe that people are in the streets after a Biden win and not following proper social distancing rules. As I said, like the tea party which discovers its fiscal prudence chops only when Dems are in power and gives a loud cheer when Trump spent trillions on increasing deficits, his base discovers the horrors of not distancing when it comes to the other side.

At least Pizza Cain is dead. He will not give +1 to Gino's comment. If his estate had any guts, they should press homicide charges against the POTUS.

P.S.: I have to say the spontaneous celebration by thousands of young people dancing all over our cities was the most joyous sight in a while. Badly needed after this annus horribilis.

Thank you for revealing your hypocrisy and demagoguery (yet again) so clearly that there's no way anyone can take you seriously. You don't mind big crowds as long as they're Democrats. I don't know whether to laugh or cry, but it's sad to see how democrats like you are determined to divide the country.

"Homicide charges", LOL! I guess we can rule out that you ever went to law school.

[Pessimist]

Read the full article before commenting please.

Pfizer's CEO cashed out 60% of his stock on the same day the company unveiled the results of its COVID-19 vaccine trial. It was predetermined trading plan adopted on August 19.

https://markets.businessinsider.com/...-11-1029790705

Tbh, this link and the other comment below that PFE's effectiveness was less than 80% prior to Nov 3 are sounding quite uneducated.

What does it mean "trust me"? Are you claiming you have insider knowledge of the daily efficacy of the vaccine as a time series? Sharing that knowledge on an open forum is a breach of MnPI and is a crime.

I don't know what you were trying to prove by including this link about his sale. It sounds sensationalist to the layman but a CEO is perfectly in his right to sell and buy his stock if it is cleared by his compliance department. The article clearly says it was a 10 b5-1 sale, perfectly legal. If he had bought PfE stock a week before the release of the data at a low stock price, that would be illegal. But here, he sold the stock after the market moving news have been released and the stock spiked nearly 10%.

Seriously, as a Trump supporter, you should be a fan of capitalism and making money from the market if having the brains to do it. Why would you begrudge the PFe CEO that he made money on the data? You personally could have sold the same stock if you already held it, or could have shorted it if you felt like it was tops at $40 (as he seemed to feel) or bought some puts or done a hundred other things.

None of this address the original claim you made that somehow the virus has been cured in some sort of conspiratorial manner in an effort to sink Trump's election, with PFE being a part of it. It seems your best evidence is a stock sale, which is a fairly routine thing. I am happy for the CEO because he led the company, made the deal w / biontech, developed the vaccine, hopefully will save millions of lives, and making a tidy profit for himself and a lot more for his shareholders. That's what life and capitalism is all about but for some reason you seem to resent it.

[Mursenary]

Trust me, this is fact: Pfizer was not even at 80% effectiveness of their Covid-19 vaccine before Nov 3rd.

Trust? Source would be better. Would also be interested to know what you think the phrase X % effective means.

[Mursenary]

But Swedes traveled abroad, are you from USA? Swedes travelled to Spain, Greece and other European countries without any problems.

Finland and Sweden are two very different countries when you look under the surface. Swedes are way more social, travel abroad more and have a larger immigrant community. Finland and Sweden doesn't share the same culture except from the northern parts of Sweden where few people lives.

The point is that most Swedes have not been as carefree in their actions insomuch as to warrant the anti-mitigation argument. Perhaps Swedes traveled abroad a bit, but to what degree when internally, the documented travel habits dropped 80-90%?

These rants about how "lock downs do no good, look at Sweden" are misleading, simplistic, and / or disingenuous. The best point one can make may that "mandatory government lockdowns" are unnecessary. But like ExPat stated, the expectation that citizens will voluntarily act according to recommendations are in societies that are homogenous and single minded.

[Gino02]

Read the full article before commenting please.

Pfizer's CEO cashed out 60% of his stock on the same day the company unveiled the results of its COVID-19 vaccine trial. It was predetermined trading plan adopted on August 19.

https://markets.businessinsider.com/...-11-1029790705

[Gino02]

Trust me, this is fact: Pfizer was not even at 80% effectiveness of their Covid-19 vaccine before Nov 3rd.

[Pessimist]

Do you have poor eyesight and just failed to see that 99% of them were wearing masks? Or are you just a sheeple that swallows the dishonest analysis from fake news sources? Smart money is on the latter. These celebrators offer a good example for the moronic, diseased, outgoing Trump administration with their indoor, maskless socials. But hey I know those celebrations are unnerving for you, but that's democracy. The people have spoken.

You have to cut Wolverine Gino some slack. As I recall, he never posted any comments bemoaning lack of masks among "the thousands of audience at the massive Trump rallies while Sleepy could not attract even a dozen people to his teleprompter readings, which surely signaled an impending Trump win" as their side kept telling us prior to the election. Now he is shocked to observe that people are in the streets after a Biden win and not following proper social distancing rules. As I said, like the tea party which discovers its fiscal prudence chops only when Dems are in power and gives a loud cheer when Trump spent trillions on increasing deficits, his base discovers the horrors of not distancing when it comes to the other side.

At least Pizza Cain is dead. He will not give +1 to Gino's comment. If his estate had any guts, they should press homicide charges against the POTUS.

P.S.: I have to say the spontaneous celebration by thousands of young people dancing all over our cities was the most joyous sight in a while. Badly needed after this annus horribilis.

[ShooBree]

The fact that the rest of Europe treated Sweden like a pariah worked in Sweden's favor. Was there much inbound / outbound travel in Sweden this summer? Many infection in the UK can be traced to a strain of CV19 that emerged in Spain, that holiday travellers brought back to their home countries: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...0-per-cent-uk/.

Finland seems to be the only country on the continent to have avoided a second wave. They seem to have the same "socially isolated culture" of Sweden. Almost a quarter of Finns believed the lockdown actually improved their lives.

But Swedes traveled abroad, are you from USA? Swedes travelled to Spain, Greece and other European countries without any problems.

Finland and Sweden are two very different countries when you look under the surface. Swedes are way more social, travel abroad more and have a larger immigrant community. Finland and Sweden doesn't share the same culture except from the northern parts of Sweden where few people lives.

[Pessimist]

Well, don't you want to ask yourself first how and why did China start the pandemic to start with? My money is on the honest answer to that, but too bad we will never know it if we actually end up with the Chinese government running USA in January, and then rest of the world by proxy.

I had a month long debate w / MCA that the evil China regime did probably play a very direct and insidious role in the proliferation of this virus but of course we need evidence. The incompetent Trump just kept making claims and could not move forward an inch in obtaining such evidence. He was also a total dud in protecting his own citizens. His defense that "China killed them, I am helpless, woe be me" is pathetic. As the commander in Chief his #1 duty is protect American citizens from harm regardless of where the attack comes from and how. So, when the enemy deploys a biological weapon which is what he is claiming, he is absolutely helpless? To top it off, he showboated around that he is a war time prez. What a turd?! He likes to receive salute on TV from tanks and generals on Champs Elysee but not able to take tough decisions.

Competent regimes in other places, namely KR and JP, protected their citizens. Trump is all talk and by that I mean hot foul gas. I don't have any faith that the senile Biden will be super great either but no one has ever been this rock bottom incompetent as Trump and it is so sad that his base is totally blind to see it. This base is like another Covid virus that has taken over and destroyed a once proud GOP.

[ExpatLover]

The standard explanation / excuse from the right wing is that nothing from China can be trusted. So, in their narrative, who knows how many got infected, how many died in China, if they really have it in control?!

I see this strident vehemence on US boards quite often. Such as WSJ etc. Commenters get offended if anyone says China got it under control. To them, it is an insinuation that China commie regime is more effective than Trump's regime (and that is a big no-no for the right wing, as they believe he is the greatest at everything).

When US went over 100,000 cases (China topped at 80 K), they said "oh, China's 80,000 can't be trusted". Then we went over a million cases and 2 mil, 5 mil, now 10 mil. Our death toll went past their 5,000 then we topped 10,000 then 50,000, 100,000 and now approaching a quarter mil. Apparently in the right winger view, as our numbers grow China's numbers also stretch ahead of ours just so that we are NEVER the worst. Very elastic model indeed. (however, as soon as Biden takes over. Which he will, regardless of the latest reveries of these people. Then their story line changes and they will be the most concerned party about covid explosions in US. Like a 2020 tea party which suddenly wakes up about fiscal prudence when Dems come to power. And BTW, I fell for these tea baggers and gave them a donation in 2012. Should have wasted that money on a Asian hunter in Sharks or Oase)..

All what US firms have achieved in the last decades is to transfer their production (know how, technology to China), I know very well China, have a Chinese driving license, a car. All those critics about China are just jalousie, most of the Chinese people are very happy, living is improving, food is available every where. They are a homogenous country probably number 1 today, if China for a reason or another decides to stops Apple business in China Apple is more or less dead and the dow jones will be strongly hit.

[Pessimist]

I think withholding news like that until after the election is fine. They operated independently of Trump's efforts, why have their success used by him as a boasting point? Everything good that happens is Trump's doing, everything bad that happens is blamed on somebody else. That's how his mind works. Staying out of the election buzz was good for everyone.

Actually, election was finished by Tuesday night and the vaccine data was in the media by the *following Monday morning* (November 9). I have not seen any evidence that Pfizer withheld the data publication for a full 6 days. If the data had been released on Nov 5 or 6 or 8th, it would have made exactly zero difference to the election result as votes were already cast (unless some Trump voters were planning to take back their votes and re-vote again depending on vaccine data).

PFE management has a fiduciary duty to their shareholders. Any leak of info showing that PFE withheld the data for 6 days to influence the election outcome would tank the stock price because it could be deemed a criminal deed. I do not know the full legal liability of PFE mgmt with regards to the timing of such disclosure and when they need to make it. But with the current AG Barr, there is no question that investors would be worried about punitive measures. Why would PFE executives risk their own life and freedom, their compensation of several dozens of millions which is tied to the stock price, and massive class action lawsuits in the event of stock tanking, all in the hope of making some small dent on an election in which facts were anyway called fake, and QAnon was treated with reverence?

Be that as it may, none of this matters. Wolverine Genius Gino has already pronounced we are sheeples because we did not do a bobblehead dance upon hearing the vaccine news and claim "there I told you so, the virus is CURED as soon as the election is over.

BTW, I saw 142,000 news cases detected yesterday. I was under the impression the virus was CURED on Monday? But 142,000 new cases, a record total on Tuesday. Hmm. Must be fake news.

[Paulie97]

No man, I'm no genius, just a simple realist observer fly on the wall.

You fancy yourself a realist but are a sheeple that follows fake news, chases down conspiracy theories, and promotes fool's errands.

1) US Supreme Court still might fuck it up. RealClearPolitics already yesterday put Philadelphia back to undecided, and too many irregularities are coming up into light all over the map. Not good.

LOL I see you are listening to the loser Rudy Giuliani, the guy who had the "bombshell" press conference beside the adult bookstore in front of "Four Seasons" landscaping service. You've swallowed and now are spreading fake news. RealClearPolitics never recanted anything as they never called PA to begin with.

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/5...-this-is-false

That said, every major news network and the AP have Biden as the projected winner. He leads in PA by over 48 K votes, plus in GA (14 K), AZ (12 K), and NV (17 K). There's no evidence of any widespread voter fraud or irregularities that would change the outcome of the election. You are just chasing down more conspiracy theories with your fellow sheeple. The election is over.

2) Sheeples, including many governments around the world, need to acknowledge that lockdowns and masking up really doesn't help overall, except for delaying the eventual inevitable. Taxes and Death.

Ignoring the fact that you've already been comprehensively refuted on this point many times doesn't help. Nor will repeating this fallacy over and over ever make it true.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_nauseam

There's a number of countries that have seen less than 100 Covid deaths while implementing such policies, such as New Zealand (25), Thailand (60) and Taiwan (7). There's also been a number of countries like South Korea that got off to a rough start but managed to smash the curve with sound policies. This has bought time for the discovery of effective treatments and vaccines. Many lives have been saved, though you haven't been able to purchase hookers in your preferred venues. Waa Waa. Cry me a river.

But the MSM (and the DNC) approved celebrations by the sheeples without need for social distancing last weekend all over the USA gave me some guidance, so hopefully the FKK life will be back to normal by February 2021.

Do you have poor eyesight and just failed to see that 99% of them were wearing masks? Or are you just a sheeple that swallows the dishonest analysis from fake news sources? Smart money is on the latter. These celebrators offer a good example for the moronic, diseased, outgoing Trump administration with their indoor, maskless socials. But hey I know those celebrations are unnerving for you, but that's democracy. The people have spoken.

[Palcon]

Any time I hear or read this I ask myself the question How did China get the pandemic under control?

They lock the wolves w / symptoms in their homes until they die or get better.

[Gino02]

Any time I hear or read this I ask myself the question How did China get the pandemic under control?

Well, don't you want to ask yourself first how and why did China start the pandemic to start with? My money is on the honest answer to that, but too bad we will never know it if we actually end up with the Chinese government running USA in January, and then rest of the world by proxy.

[Pessimist]

Any time I hear or read this I ask myself the question How did China get the pandemic under control?

The standard explanation / excuse from the right wing is that nothing from China can be trusted. So, in their narrative, who knows how many got infected, how many died in China, if they really have it in control?!

I see this strident vehemence on US boards quite often. Such as WSJ etc. Commenters get offended if anyone says China got it under control. To them, it is an insinuation that China commie regime is more effective than Trump's regime (and that is a big no-no for the right wing, as they believe he is the greatest at everything).

When US went over 100,000 cases (China topped at 80 K), they said "oh, China's 80,000 can't be trusted". Then we went over a million cases and 2 mil, 5 mil, now 10 mil. Our death toll went past their 5,000 then we topped 10,000 then 50,000, 100,000 and now approaching a quarter mil. Apparently in the right winger view, as our numbers grow China's numbers also stretch ahead of ours just so that we are NEVER the worst. Very elastic model indeed. (however, as soon as Biden takes over. Which he will, regardless of the latest reveries of these people. Then their story line changes and they will be the most concerned party about covid explosions in US. Like a 2020 tea party which suddenly wakes up about fiscal prudence when Dems come to power. And BTW, I fell for these tea baggers and gave them a donation in 2012. Should have wasted that money on a Asian hunter in Sharks or Oase).

Only trouble is that any number of people have visited China (strict 2 week quarantine before being let out) and their streets are buzzing. Malls, tourist sites, restaurants are all full. Our own companies like Nike, Apple, SBUX are doing brisk business over there (AAPL had a bad quarter in September but June was good). My own personal contacts keep sending photos showing long lines everywhere. No one has found any mass graves of thousands of covid dead.

But facts are wasted on these dudes. No doubt I will be called a Sheeple by Wolverine Gino. I am in awe of his prowess, oh my.

I detest the evil commie regime in China more than anyone else does, but we will NOT MAGA by keeping our eyes closed and our minds shut to facts and thoughts.