Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus!

[BrahmaPoutre]

I get where you are tying to go, but I do sometimes even though I do not see any point doing that, so read back carefully.

However, why do you come on forum to pick a fight or point finger at others? It shows your limited mongering experiences and happiness in your life because I am happy guy with my sex life since age 17 as most mongers with good lives are, so I got nothing to rant or point finger at anybody, what is your purpose in doing this? Please answer as I like to know your mental state behind such a negative attitude.

Why do ask again why?

I thought you would get it when I pointed out that you write here every day but I never read any decent reports of a visit in FKK from you.

But OK, no need to insist, I would not bother you again with that because now FKK are closed, so I have no reason to spend more time here (from March to June when FKK were closed, I almost didn't connect because mainly I am only interested by reports here, I am personally not really interested by all the general discussions, not really my cup of tea.)

[Pessimist]

Looks like you got the facts wrong there bud. Seems like you're the one who peace out first, pretty much exactly when presented with data that undermined your point.

You promoted rounding up and deportation of innocent people living in France / other western nations due to their religious affiliation and later unapologetically doubled downed. Now you're using state sanctioned boycotts to further support condemnation of innocent people. No high horse needed to point out the dangerous bigotry being promoted. You are no better than the Trumpers in your rhetoric.

You don't have to be left or right to be a hate monger. Attaching left versus right dichotomy labels is very revealing of an inability to parse through nuances and reveals a simplistic world view. Furthermore, proposing extremist reaction to extremist actions makes you no better than the war mongers in the middle east..

That second snippet which you oh so cleverly chopped had a bunch of rebuttals. You had zero clue how to respond because you and McAdonis made up some nonsense about absolute income levels and crime indices which was not supported in your own data tables. Then you used that line about McA and you as an excuse to abort it. At least McA had the decency to keep quiet and I could have called on it back then but I had no interest either. But I guess you could not let go. Do you really feel others are not able to read? I can also cut and paste all that history but it is all pointless and anyone who cares can easily look it up. But it appears to me you have some anger issues and keep dredging things up (and that seems inline with the comments people made about your past).

As for the rest of the garbage you typed in the middle paragraphs, please spare me. I don't need morality lectures from crazy leftists or right wingers, I am happy in my own skin. It appears you are Chinese or Thai per Pistons, and if so you should take a look at the land of your ancestors how they treat Moslems and African Americans instead of venting against Whites. I personally have no clue what your ethnicity is and I could not care in the slightest but if it is true, it would behoove you to take a look in the mirror once in a while. I have to say you have a lot of nerve making up stuff about people you never met ("I'm sure you scoff when black people" -- in your prior comment for example). I think you said you are young (although not that much younger than me I guess) and it seems your immaturity matches your "youth" based on the liberties you take writing about people you never met. As for the absurd accusation "You promoted rounding up and deportation of innocent people living in France", if you bother to take a close look, I referred to the barbarians that implicitly cheered the beheadings and I did not say all Moslems in FR should be deported (I even said majority are probably against it) but I guess your anger issues cloud your reading skills. In any case, are you a fucking mind reformer? Have you ever patronized GT which per recent discussion has a discriminating door policy, and what should we say about your willingness to attend a club that you knew actively stops dark people but not you?

To your last line, more nonsense. I never claimed I was any sort of intellectual but you have made multiple references to your profession in an effort to pull rank. I missed the part where your Nobel prize was verified by ISG that you come strutting around throwing darts at others for being fake intellectuals. Some others have made less charitable remarks about your credentials but I don't need to repeat them.

[Gino02]

It's a sad day today!

Europe is pretty much locked down now for the stupid virus, really sad day for us mongers.

And shops are boarding up all over the USA to prevent post-election lootings. Very sad day for Americans, never imagined that USA could go this low.

[Pessimist]

Such is they way people behave these days. It's not only the stereotypical young feminsts that are crazy these days. It affects 'everyone'.

BTW,

Shoe Swede as you call him is has a user name in ghetto sociolect from Sweden that I have no idea what it means more than I've seen it.

Thank you Mr. Ararat! I was not aware of the meaning of his name; we learn something new every day.

On a side note / rant: some guys here (not all, but a few) have the mindset that prostitution is a god given right and every society should provide FKK style access to prostitution at extremely affordable prices with better than adequate services provided by attractive 20 something girls in every city and town or else it deserves to be called a police state.

The reality is that in all of human history, such FKKs have existing for a couple of decades in a single country; and of course some countries have provided access to legalized prostitution for a bit longer albeit not in as attractive settings as FKKs. I am not an expert on Brazil / Thailand, and leave it to The Cane and others who are very knowledgeable there.

But does it mean a society's status as a police state is solely based on access to affordable / legal / widespread / prostitution at every nook and corner? Sweden does not have it, and it is no one's idea of a police state.

This link below has some data. Did not verify their classifications myself. Belize, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Hungary (Orban), Bangladesh, India, yadda yadda all have it legal. I guess our single-axis definers would then define them as free states. US is classified as having limited legal, along with JP, UK, Australia, France. Presumably all of them are also police states? I will leave it to our "data driven master".

https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...ution-is-legal

Look, to the general public, mongering is hardly on the radar. It is of interest only to some men. I did a Google search and it says 14-20% of American men use prostitution. That is a lower percent than the number of men who admitted they have used marijuana at some point in their life. No one called US a police state because marijuana was illegal. Or perhaps some marijuana forums do call US a police state, I don't know, I am not a member on such forums. I just searched dog fighting also and apparently even that abhorrent "sport" has a sizable following. I don't know what sorta gripes fans of dog fighting have because their "sport" is illegal; perhaps they too call US a police state because their sport is illegal?

I am a monger as is everyone here and have full sympathy for the current predicament many of us are in, but it is an extreme to be calling US (or any other country for that matter) a police state because they do not have ready access to thousands of nubile girls primed to suck and fuck for 50. This country has many legitimate faults and a lot of minorities and others do suffer badly at the hands of police occasionally and the income / wealth disparity has driven millions into despair far worse than any lack of access to prostitution does to men. I have a rolodex of sugar babes who are nice and are hurting for cash in this pandemic and would love to see me, I would love to see them but I am staying put for a number of reasons and staying away from them. I wish I could be in FKKs as well, or meeting my sugar babes but I am able to control myself and I did not die of too much blue ball syndrome. Please let us have some perspective on this.

[Ararat]

It is rich that I am getting called a bleeding liberal by Shoe Swede and Gino and a hate monger and as being worse than Trump by you. If I am getting pelted with stones from left and right, I must be in the middle.

Such is they way people behave these days. It's not only the stereotypical young feminsts that are crazy these days. It affects 'everyone'.

BTW,

Shoe Swede as you call him is has a user name in ghetto sociolect from Sweden that I have no idea what it means more than I've seen it.

[Pessimist]

Amusing to see some flame wars, down to childish accusations of micro penis / IQ. Takedown has a fine mind and is a good person, and argues reasonably and is evidence driven. Yay.

Of the many issues here: there have been barbaric acts carried out by persons claiming to be muslim. Christians have done some pretty bad stuff too in the past, breaking on the wheel, burning at the stake etc etc. Most religions are bad. Christopher Hitchens writes better than me and explains how religion phucks up everything. And that includes the USA that has a stupidity infection. Slogans etc.

It does affect P4 P: illegality adds cost, and chills demand. In Germany, sex is like what restaurant to pick. Harmless, efficient, clean, safe and easy at a good price, and the girls are mostly charming and feminine. Compare that to mostly tattooed fat, entitled, foul mouthed American women. I am not comparing US to say Columbia. But as a 1st world western democracy, we have indeed become data prison and police state. I cannot wait for a char grilled steak, a walk down the kurdamm or where ever, and knowing that getting high quality sex is a safe, high choice, zero hassle easy exercise.

SA is backpage pretending not to be straight out hookers in a typical American euphemism.

Wow. What a rant indeed! You seem to have a vendetta against SA. Since you bring, is your bitterness against SA "data driven" as you put it or is it uninformed bias as is the rest of your comment? There are many sites and resources that I try out, and if I don't like them or find them useful I move on but I seldom have the type of bitterness about them that you are exhibiting. You almost sound like you want to get back at SA and perhaps even all sugarbabe sites out of resentment.

It is simple: if the site is useless and all the girls are skanks and ripoffs, then there would not be a large number of men paying $80 a month to stay on it presumably? Guys who pay that much have a better idea whether it is worth it or not, far more than a foul mouthed bitter person ranting about it on ISG perhaps?

And what's up with phuck? This is one of the few sites where you can say fuck w / o your comment getting moderated out. Are you trying to come up with an alternative language and spelling because you have had it with America and English language?

[ExpatLover]

Sorry they are not claiming they are, so for you they act like the Christians 700 hundred back nice progress of the civilization. Advice you to go to Miami, Detroit, Chicago by night to see if really the police, the justice is doing the job by allowing such kind of things. Today how many 10 years old children can not speak or write fluently English, it is the same in France. Such like the justice the education is far too permissive which lead to the poorer getting from far more criminals, the widening of the segregation of the population, and the difficulty for the poor children to access to well paid jobs. The middle and high class always find a way to bring their children to good school and later to get good jobs. The solution is not to fuck a prostitute buck to make yourself attractive enough that girls want to date you. I never paid for sex before I was 45 and I advice every one to do the same.

[Sirioja]

I'm not a specialist of Coran, but I know what huge majority of Muslims and most of Imans say, they don't support these murderers, they say: this is not our religion to do this, and I'm pretty sure most prefer to keep on living in France. I was born, studied, always lived and worked in Paris and around, I don't plan to leave my boat, I will just go in my beloved mountains when I can finish to work, but can t yet. For sure, France is land of free mind like me, like Charlie who never criticized the religion. I only know Italy to compete for quality of life, Spain being third. Tourism figures talk when small France is number 1, with Paris number 1 before NYC, LA, Rio. I think Italy number 2 and Spain number 4. Where people like to go to enjoy their free like freedom time. So many Western Europeans prefer to live in small France with rich culture, good foods, best wines, rather than in their sad country, even I love London. Only Saint Petersburg, Roma, Firenze, Barcelona and maybe Vienna can compete with Paris for me. For sure, all the world know about freedom to think in China, when Chinese are scared of their government.

[Pahllus Maximus]

Well put. Hookers pretending to be "regular girls" needing some extra allowance. Waddles, quacks, looks like a duck and I know one when I see it.

If there is a safe, no hassle, no game playing, no up-sell, tips or other lack of transparency, sign me up!

[Pahllus Maximus]

Amusing to see some flame wars, down to childish accusations of micro penis / IQ. Takedown has a fine mind and is a good person, and argues reasonably and is evidence driven. Yay.

Of the many issues here: there have been barbaric acts carried out by persons claiming to be muslim. Christians have done some pretty bad stuff too in the past, breaking on the wheel, burning at the stake etc etc. Most religions are bad. Christopher Hitchens writes better than me and explains how religion phucks up everything. And that includes the USA that has a stupidity infection. Slogans etc.

It does affect P4 P: illegality adds cost, and chills demand. In Germany, sex is like what restaurant to pick. Harmless, efficient, clean, safe and easy at a good price, and the girls are mostly charming and feminine. Compare that to mostly tattooed fat, entitled, foul mouthed American women. I am not comparing US to say Columbia. But as a 1st world western democracy, we have indeed become data prison and police state. I cannot wait for a char grilled steak, a walk down the kurdamm or where ever, and knowing that getting high quality sex is a safe, high choice, zero hassle easy exercise.

SA is backpage pretending not to be straight out hookers in a typical American euphemism.

[Mursenary]

I would have said narrow minded people.

Nativism and nationalism has taken root bro. Crazy bleeding heart, feel good libs asking for too much and threatened, short-sighted, beta male nativists on the other side.

Many references to "acting out of fear" on this and numerous boards. The most prominent fear-fueled reactions that I've seen over the past several years is the fear of traditional folks being uprooted by competition. I saw the intimidation of backwards people acting out of fear when confronted by hard working immigrants or the same people being intimidated by big black cocks fucking "their" women.

[Mursenary]

So far the only advise I am getting is SA, which is quite useless. I am not going to deal with prostitutes who think they are not prostitutes.

LOL. As a 38 year old man out here still trying to score early 20's civilian chicks, I come across that here and there and have the same thoughts. Once I jokingly asked a stripper if she was a prostitute after she suggested that I buy her $500 sneakers and she was actually offended.

[Mursenary]

I met a guy like that in LR but he was more like a leprechaun or a kobold.

I've met both. Very similar in their delusions of grandeur.

[Mursenary]

Oh please, get off your high horse! It seems to me that you have been smarting from a prior debate which you aborted because you had no clue to respond, claimed you were offended by a remark I made about you and McAdonis, and now trying to take potshots at me on the slightest pretext for the supposed slight you suffered then.

It is rich that I am getting called a bleeding liberal by Shoe Swede and Gino and a hate monger and as being worse than Trump by you. If I am getting pelted with stones from left and right, I must be in the middle.

The behavior of millions of Moslems in France and all over the middle East, that of Erdogan and bin Salmon and other Sheikhs over there was nothing short of disgraceful. The boycott of French products at a time like this and which is joined in practice by millions of Moslem shoppers shows that the rank and file Moslem indeed sympathizes with the beheaders and throat slitters. Such people deserve nothing more a absolute condemnation and worse. And their absolute silence about China's concentration camps for Uighurs shows also the vile hypocrisy in their hearts.

I hope you are a bit less pompous in your real life. You would be insufferable if you are actually like you presented yourself above.

I am* guessing you and Mursenary are friends hence you keep propping each other up. That is fine with me,*shouldn't have butted in. Peace.

Looks like you got the facts wrong there bud. Seems like you're the one who peace out first, pretty much exactly when presented with data that undermined your point.

You promoted rounding up and deportation of innocent people living in France / other western nations due to their religious affiliation and later unapologetically doubled downed. Now you're using state sanctioned boycotts to further support condemnation of innocent people. No high horse needed to point out the dangerous bigotry being promoted. You are no better than the Trumpers in your rhetoric.

You don't have to be left or right to be a hate monger. Attaching left versus right dichotomy labels is very revealing of an inability to parse through nuances and reveals a simplistic world view. Furthermore, proposing extremist reaction to extremist actions makes you no better than the war mongers in the middle east.

If voicing out against the unapologetic bigotry of mass deportation is pompous then well, we've established pretty low bar. My hope and inclination is that you don't actually feel that way towards the majority of Muslims who have no part in this; but rather, this is just an example of poor emotional control. But faced with a real human in front you, my bet is that you wouldn't dare utter those ridiculous words.

But I see you bud. Out here fake intellecting and all.

[Pessimist]

I am ready for "safe and expensive" US websites with escort contacts. Somebody, anybody, send them to me. Please do. You can PM me. So far the only advise I am getting is SA, which is quite useless. I am not going to deal with prostitutes who think they are not prostitutes.

Have you ever met a prostitute, offered her money, and she rebuffed you "huh, what do you think I am not a prostitute!

If a girl is a prostitute and she knows she is one, she will say so and take your money. The only discussion you will have is re: details & negotiation. She will not sit there arguing with you that she is not a prostitute, not for days and weeks anyway.

I see this compulsion to label SA girls as prostitutes on the part of mongers here. There must be an arrogance "if I give her money, she better be prepared to be called a prostitute, how dare she!" (I am not at all saying you have it, but I have seen it expressed explicitly in those words by a few guys here).

I don't know why we are stuck up on labels. If you are not prepared to deal with the efforts needed and other work that has to be put in finding good sugar babes, that is fine. It is most definitely an effort. But to disdain the whole thing w / o knowing what it is and dismiss with a false characterization is not logical. I have had several dozens of very satisfying arrangements from that site. But I also had to put in a lot of effort, got turned down by dozens of girls but also accepted by many. And that is the other thing. Girls reject you not because the money is not to their liking but because you are not physically their type. One of the prettiest girls I met from that site rejected me at first, told me I am not attractive enough for her. I took it in my stride, kept chatting to her regularly, she eventually agreed to meet for a lunch date and soon after we had sex and to this day, that arrangement was one of my best ever. Persistence absolutely paid off in that instance. How often do prostitutes reject mongers because they are not attractive enough? When you have a good arrangement, it feels awesome. BTW, I need to gently correct M88: $500-600 is way too high. I have had several arrangements in which I paid 200 to 300, even exactly 200 (and I have seldom paid more than 350 ever) and yet spent a couple of hours on sex alone, not to mention more time in movies, dinner dates etc. On a per hour basis, SA is actually cheaper than FKK especially the recent Artemis rip-off prices; not to mention I don't need to pay flight, no need to take a week off, no need for all the other expenses. I wrote this recently in the SA thread as well. Earlier in the year prior to the pandemic, I spent 3 or 4 dates with a 20 year old Latina girl, one of them in a matinee movie. It had nice reclining chairs, almost like full beds, and we spent more than the half movie making out in the back row. And I still had not given any money to her yet. Later we did have sex and she asked for $150 gift (it was her first arrangement and she had no idea how much to ask). I gave her a bit more and felt lousy afterwards because she deserved at least $250 given the number of hours she spent with me. I was a cheap bastard. I still have her number as I do of several prior arrangements. If and when Covid feels a bit better, I will resume all those relationships. I know many of them are hurting for money and would love to meet and receive some help in return.

There is a thread with lots of detailed reports and info. Not a plug, I am not the owner of that thread. But the freelance sugarbabe type relationship is here to stay in my view. Not Easy for LE to control it because I don't mention sex in any of my communications with the girl, ever. It is understood.