Thread: Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus!
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10-29-20 17:51 #1820
Posts: 2953Just genuinely curious.
If everything in and about the USA Is as bad as you continuously post, and everywhere else (especially Germany) is so great, then why don't you immigrate?
Originally Posted by PahllusMaximus [View Original Post]
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10-29-20 16:28 #1819
Posts: 1138Moving forward?
I wrote this in the Artemis thread, but it really belongs to this thread. So here you go again, with slight modifications:
More and more I seriously think that unless countries follow the successful Swedish experiment (which is kinda a like a successful medical lab experiment, in a smaller size of population compared to most countries), these lockdowns are going to be part of life. Choices are very simple, (1) learn to live with the virus and strengthen your immunity by antibody and T-cells like Sweden did (sadly losing a lot of weak people as part of that, but quickly achieving a low death rate of less than 0.3 deaths per million population which is steady for 3 months now, whereas death rates are creeping up in all countries who had imposed some sort of lockdowns since the beginning of this virus), or (2) have repeated lockdowns like this. The longer we delay to implement (1), more deaths and economic issues will pile up and we will have total deaths more than compared to the proverbial "biting the bullet" in the first time. Let's hope vaccines and treatments will actually work, but who knows when and to what extent (reminds me of the state of vaccines and treatments for AIDS, SERS, MERS etc. Viruses)? Vaccines are a mild variation of (1) anyway, right?
Some people in this forum may bring up my posts back in Jan-Feb 2020 when I suggested to block all Asians, mainly people from China, into other countries (and since this is after all an FKK forum, block them from FKKs). They need to understand that if we had blocked Asians back then (not just in FKKs but everywhere outside Asia), we probably could have limit spread of the virus locally in Asia, as opposed to having it as a global pandemic. Since we (countries) didn't do it in time, now the virus has spread every corner of the world, we lost that initial opportunity of isolating it locally. Now we are at a different phase where we need to counter the virus head-on, hiding in our basements will only delay the inevitable but will damage more in the longer run (think this way: In the Swedish way, I may have lost my beloved grandpa, but at least all his kids and grandkids would have had the natural immunity built by now and they would survive, but since we did the lockdowns which reduced the natural immunity (instead of increasing it) of the whole family, now more members of the family are in risk category and we may lose more of them including my beloved grandpa). If (I seriously hope not) there is another new deadly pathogen comes from another country, I still strongly believe that we should ASAP first try to isolate the source country before it gets spread everywhere; and establishments (airlines, clubs, bars, restaurants etc etc) shouldn't wait for the slow-moving governments to act quickly in blocking people from that country, albeit hopefully governments will also act before it is too late. Some people think this approach is racist, I think it is a prudent approach to isolate the people from the source country (any country, be in Germany, France, USA, China whichever) from rest of the world.
I look forward for a civil discussion on this "moving forward" topic, without any name-calling or angry or political comments please. Interestingly, one very nice Asian guy I met last weekend in a party said about the lockdowns: "Dude, it's called natural selection. I am not staying in scared shit waiting to die."
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10-29-20 15:07 #1818
Posts: 1184Originally Posted by Pessimist [View Original Post]
How could anyone vote for Biden or the Democratic Party when they so clearly refuse to take any responsibility for their failures?
To paraphrase Biden; "if you don't vote for Trump you're not White".
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10-29-20 14:47 #1817
Posts: 2073Originally Posted by Gino02 [View Original Post]
Around 14 percent of people in the Stockholm region, or around one in seven, had antibodies for Covid-19 according to samples provided by private healthcare provider Werlabs.
The company analyzed 50,000 samples between May and mid-June. The samples belong to private individuals and companies who have offered tests to their staff a service Werlabs provides in certain (mostly urban) regions for the price of 750 kronor for private individuals.
https://www.thelocal.se/20200618/one-in-seven-stockholmers-had-coronavirus-antibody-in-private-tests
In general, restrictions result in less circulation and exposure of the virus. But the data seems to show that less restrictions did not result in increased spread of the virus in Stockholm. One possible explanation: Swedish voluntarily complied with the governments "recommendations" and have done a better job at socially distancing themselves and reducing spread. We can see this compliance versus coercion argument with parenting. For example, with one child you might be able to get away with a gentle recommendation, "Son, it would be great if you didn't play video games and studied". With another child, you wouldn't be able to use such a "light approach". You would literally need to lock them in a room and take away their video game console (and even that is no guarantee that they would study).
I am cheering for Sweden. I would love to see updated studies that show that 80 percent of the Stockholm population had already contracted the virus and 99 percent had already recovered. That would be good news for the world. Hasn't happened yet. Scientists have already said that re-infection is extremely rare (at least being re-infected within a six month timeframe). So if most people in Sweden had contracted the virus in the spring, then Sweden's new infections should not be surging at this moment. Looking at the data, the surge of new infections in Sweden cannot be attributed to increased testing. We are now in week 44 of 2020. Week 36 was the week Sweden vindicated their lockdown strategy and proved the world wrong, conducting 126188 tests with a positivity rating of 1 percent. Week 43, Sweden conducted 164742 tests, with positivity rating over 5 percent. If number of tests are increased, then you would want the positivity rating to go down or at least remain constant. https://opendata.ecdc.europa.eu/covid19/testing/xml/.
BTW, Weeks 35-38, when Sweden's positivity rate was in the 1-2 percent range, coincides with the Swedish summer tradition of going to the family summer home, which 50 percent of the population has access to. So a benefit of being the third largest country in the EU by land mass, and having only a population of 10 million is that you can socially distance with your family: https://sweden.se/culture-traditions...a-love-affair/.
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10-29-20 13:36 #1816
Posts: 7321Originally Posted by ExpatLover [View Original Post]
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10-29-20 12:31 #1815
Posts: 7321Originally Posted by PahllusMaximus [View Original Post]
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10-29-20 10:27 #1814
Posts: 537Originally Posted by ShooBree [View Original Post]
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10-29-20 06:39 #1813
Posts: 4759Originally Posted by PahllusMaximus [View Original Post]
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10-29-20 05:01 #1812
Posts: 2344Originally Posted by ShooBree [View Original Post]
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10-29-20 01:06 #1811
Posts: 539On COVID
I shall check and report back on and in 1000 = kaput!
It is silly to talk about the two corrupt franchises, labelled democrat and republican. They are totally bipartisan on money, power, payoffs and ensuring there is no effective capital gains tax, and expert at getting people to confuse possibility with probability. The key thing is people voting against immediate, likely, economic self interest rather than aspiration. Same reason people go to casinos despite impossible odds. Or people go nuts over sports teams that have no geographic connection and are just commercialized entertainment. This is done by throwing lots of idiotic red-herring moral "issues" about the population seizes upon. Moral issues are best, no clear answers, high emotion, keeps the population divided and fighting against each other rather than thinking about immediate and practical economic and housing security.
What we can say is that the biggest states in population, CA and NY have more brand loyalty to the democrat label (that like the other lot serves up the same distractions). We can also say the the UK and USA is a disgrace in per capita sickness and death by COVID compared to Taiwan, Singapore, Hong Kong, New Zealand, Thailand, Australia and Japan. That seems to be a function of greed over monetizing health that both entertainment franchises support. The reasons are more complex than binary X versus Y. Bleating franchise labels misses the point; as a country, we phucked up, and phucked it badly.
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10-28-20 22:06 #1810
Posts: 1138Originally Posted by NookyNinja [View Original Post]
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10-28-20 21:45 #1809
Posts: 22078Higher level or educated Romanians or Germans don't work in brothels and not many as escorts. When you look at girls teeth, you can see from which level of life they come from. I remember my 29 yo Romanian at World who had teeth brace when I discovered her, once she told me so proudly: look at my teeth, no more brace, she was lightning smiling.
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10-28-20 21:13 #1808
Posts: 501Originally Posted by MrHo [View Original Post]
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10-28-20 18:41 #1807
Posts: 1385Originally Posted by ShooBree [View Original Post]
The states you mentioned are all urbanized, cosmopolitan states with densely packed cities on the coast which saw runaway infections at a time when no controls were in place, no protocols were in place, PPE and other supplies were in shortage, and physicians were still trying to figure out how to treat the virus, and of course there were no medications like Remdesivir or dexaM or other things not to mention the MAB cocktails which Trump ingested (Lysol was however available, at least for the doses needed for drinking if not cleaning).
I find it curious that Trump takes credit for good things that happen at the country level, even international level (such as the BionTech and Oxford vaccines in development) but delegates blame to states and lower levels for things gone awry. One would think the POTUS is responsible for an important thing like national public health (and national economy which is in deep shit at the moment).
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10-28-20 14:57 #1806
Posts: 4759Originally Posted by Turgid [View Original Post]