Thread: Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus!
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10-30-20 09:13 #1842
Posts: 539Some basic facts
Mongerer88: it's emigrate (leave) rather than immigrate. As a matter of fact, I am thinking of that, joining Peter Theil (PayPal) and Steve Wozniak (co-founder of Apple), one of the founders of Google and several Wall St billionaires who have chosen New Zealand as home, getting a passport and buying housing. The list is long. I'm in good company. And have a look as USD currency pairs while you are at it. Furthermore, the UK and US are a covid disaster. That's just fact. And why we travel the world as pussy hounds is because US women are not up to snuff.
Some rough facts Mursenary queried:
USA: 924 k beds for a population of 328 million, so one bed for every 354 people, and 36.3 m annual admissions. Hospitals hit 100% theoretic capacity at 0. 002817073% of the population getting sick and needing to be hospitalized. Not all beds are the same. ICU beds are much shorter supply, about 80 k beds.
I plucked this from https://www.aha.org/statistics/fast-facts-us-hospitals.
Some definitions seem wonky, - the ratios do not make sense. From the looks of it, an admission to a US hospitals costs $30.6 k on average. Median is unknown.
A more detailed report is here:
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/...her-countries/#item-hospital-beds-per-1000-population-total-and-by-curative-care-and-rehabilitative-beds-2016.
Putting the usual labels aside, we did phuck it up. Let's start fixing it. Starting with slowing new cases (duh !)
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10-30-20 08:52 #1841
Posts: 1184Originally Posted by Paulie97 [View Original Post]
Sweden is a lot better off than most other countries in Europe when considering the current trends.
Let's just admit it, the lockdowns failed.
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10-30-20 08:46 #1840
Posts: 1184Originally Posted by Pessimist [View Original Post]
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10-30-20 08:36 #1839
Posts: 1184Originally Posted by Paulie97 [View Original Post]
It's a little bit comical how afraid you're of a virus that has no effect on normal people.
Thank you for the laughs, so you're actually praising New York, the Corona Capital of the World. Thanks for the laugh, I'm glad that we in Sweden handled this so much better. New York really has a lot to learn from Sweden and our handling of the Coronavirus. I'm glad that we are doing so much better than the states governed by the Democrats.
No masks, no lockdowns and we're not even close to being the worst affected country. That's a great success. The World should follow our great strategy, instead of doing crazy experiments.
Americans should go vote, vote against the irresponsible and failed Democrats.
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10-30-20 08:17 #1838
Posts: 140Originally Posted by Paulie97 [View Original Post]
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10-30-20 07:57 #1837
Posts: 4759It is too late, the numbers and demography are making all the differences (France has the biggest Muslim population in Europe) it is impossible to solve that problem, it is not to say that all the Muslim are criminals far from that, but al the terrorists today in France are Muslim, for decades Christian, Jude, Hindu, Orthodox never beheaded somebody in France. How many terror attacks in Hungary, Poland, Slovenia. Why? Several years back I decided to sell all my assets in France and to move to a country where the life is like decades back in France, now also here the real-estate is skyrocketing because many French, Italian, Belgium, Dutch, German want also to live here. One of the highest ranking French police officer just bought a house not far from me, I asked him why, he laughed at me and answered for the same reasons than you.
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10-30-20 06:54 #1836
Posts: 22245If letting half French population getting infected, when nobody is sure about immunity after, some were infected twice, then French doctors plan for about 400000 deaths, when we have around 40000 which is already too many, when Sweden and Stockholm have one of the highest rate, when they kill many old people, when 85% of our dead in France are over 70 yo, when NL prefer to confine now for this second wave when they didn t for first. So, confine in Bavaria, again in France and they should extend to at least 6 weeks for us. Job was more complicated about safety since mid March and will be more and more complicated. Wish can ski for Christmas, when climbed for 5 months and wish for last one tomorrow.
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10-30-20 05:49 #1835
Posts: 7321Originally Posted by Gino02 [View Original Post]
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10-30-20 02:48 #1834
Posts: 7321Originally Posted by Sirioja [View Original Post]
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10-30-20 01:57 #1833
Posts: 1680Well
Originally Posted by Pessimist [View Original Post]
https://time.com/5899432/sweden-coronovirus-disaster/
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10-30-20 00:58 #1832
Posts: 1385Originally Posted by McAdonis [View Original Post]
Every country is different in so many ways. Geography, demographics, pop density, economic conditions, health infrastructure, government spending on healthcare, on and on.
If outcomes are different, how does any one attribute the end result to one specific thing such as the action the government / country took with regards to lockdown, and not other things which make Sweden different from others?
ANd what is success / failure? Economic? Health outcomes? Would that be deaths, absolute # deaths, death / populations, deaths / infection, something else? What about # infected and their long term health conditions? Those will not be known for a long time.
And who makes this judgement and proclaim like Moses on the mountain "behold, I declare Sweden a success / failure" -- this thing is so fucking political. Whatever anyone says, it will be disputed by the other half.
In the end, Sweden is just one more country, a country with half the population of Florida, that is taking up too much of the globe's attention. So, they chose some plan. Good for them. I think they will end up somewhere in the middle, neither the best nor the worst on many of the measurement axis, and nothing will be conclusively proven.
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10-29-20 23:42 #1831
Posts: 1680Here goes the straw man again.
Originally Posted by Gino02 [View Original Post]
https://time.com/5899432/sweden-coronovirus-disaster/
You can repeat lies over and over if you like. This is Trump's MO, and admittedly it's an effective strategy to use with poorly educated people. No one will stop you, but all should know that repeating untruths over and over will never turn them into truths.
https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/...-by-Repetition
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10-29-20 22:26 #1830
Posts: 22245Originally Posted by MrHo [View Original Post]
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10-29-20 21:22 #1829
Posts: 1385Originally Posted by Paulie97 [View Original Post]
If one has his own, sensible brain that person can read an opinion, either agree / disagree, reply with a concurrence / disagreement / or ignore it altogether. But some pompous people hold forth that anyone who disagrees with them on any topic is necessarily manipulated. Usually, they also tend to be the ones making the most irrational arguments completely detached from reality.
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10-29-20 21:13 #1828
Posts: 1385Originally Posted by Paulie97 [View Original Post]
Wtf is he yapping about Biden and Trump? Next time he talks about US politics, I will show him my middle finger LOL.